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Post by orkneyhatter on Oct 1, 2023 13:44:33 GMT
Not surprised given some of the chaotic dialogue heard on the clips on the Howard Webb programme. In contrast third umpires in cricket are so calm going through the process methodically. You certainly never hear several voices talking over one another. other sports who use a VAR type system eg rugby, cricket go through all the checks and give explanations which you can see/hear so the end result is clear to the spectator. VAR in football seems so secretive in comparison. Part of it may be that there are less natural breaks in a football match than in cricket or rugby but it would help if the process was more transparent and considered. And use slow motion not freeze frame for foul play. Yes it was a bad tackle by Jones yesterday but showing that freeze frame was influencing the ref IMO
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Post by herbiedumplings on Oct 1, 2023 14:01:36 GMT
Oh dear, another VAR mistake and grovelling apology today Spurs v Liverpool. Trust in the system rapidly going. Seems to have been several errors recently. Glad we don't have to suffer it. Apparently it was poor communication between on pitch officials and staff in the VAR room and they didn't understand what they were trying to say and it got given wrong. Sounds like a bit of training on the “read back” prowords are in order…
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Post by geordiehatter on Oct 1, 2023 19:24:49 GMT
Oh dear, another VAR mistake and grovelling apology today Spurs v Liverpool. Trust in the system rapidly going. Seems to have been several errors recently. Glad we don't have to suffer it. I couldn't stand it if we ever had to. That game at Spurs yesterday a case in point. What could have stood as an exhibition of English football as a spectacle and a contest reduced to farce, by this utterly vain (in both senses of the word) quest to impose through technology absolute consistency of all decision making onto a sport which by nature of the very physicality and fluidity that makes it the game we love, will remain utterly unsuited to such an approach. And still the only line we hear from the TV pundits is 'they need to stop making mistakes'. I really do think it's the system that's making the mistakes happen. It's making referees overthink and overanalyse incidents to the point that they don't know what they're seeing any more. Mind you, even as I say that.. I watched Lorient-Montpellier on BT Sport this PM and in a game with multiple penalty appeals and various other contentious incidents, VAR was utilised only sparingly and unobtrusively, with the referee very clearly in charge and trusting his own judgement first and foremost. So perhaps there is a sane and tolerable way of using the technology that we haven't arrived at yet.
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Post by geordiehatter on Oct 1, 2023 19:29:19 GMT
I actually came on this thread to report that Mendy ex of City was playing left-back for Lorient in the BT game, and looked half a stone overweight and five yards off the pace. Be a while if ever before he's anything like the level that got him into the elite.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Oct 1, 2023 19:58:04 GMT
So looking forward to going in work in the morning with United and City both losing
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Post by orkneyhatter on Oct 1, 2023 20:47:55 GMT
Oh dear, another VAR mistake and grovelling apology today Spurs v Liverpool. Trust in the system rapidly going. Seems to have been several errors recently. Glad we don't have to suffer it. I couldn't stand it if we ever had to. That game at Spurs yesterday a case in point. What could have stood as an exhibition of English football as a spectacle and a contest reduced to farce, by this utterly vain (in both senses of the word) quest to impose through technology absolute consistency of all decision making onto a sport which by nature of the very physicality and fluidity that makes it the game we love, will remain utterly unsuited to such an approach. And still the only line we hear from the TV pundits is 'they need to stop making mistakes'. I really do think it's the system that's making the mistakes happen. It's making referees overthink and overanalyse incidents to the point that they don't know what they're seeing any more. Mind you, even as I say that.. I watched Lorient-Montpellier on BT Sport this PM and in a game with multiple penalty appeals and various other contentious incidents, VAR was utilised only sparingly and unobtrusively, with the referee very clearly in charge and trusting his own judgement first and foremost. So perhaps there is a sane and tolerable way of using the technology that we haven't arrived at yet. it seems to work much better and more unobtrusively in other countries in Europe. Maybe its the way its implemented here. Yes we get some rubbish refs in L2 but I think the decisions even themselves out over the season. Better that than deliberating whether someone's toenail or nose is "offside"
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Post by herbiedumplings on Oct 2, 2023 8:06:31 GMT
I couldn't stand it if we ever had to. That game at Spurs yesterday a case in point. What could have stood as an exhibition of English football as a spectacle and a contest reduced to farce, by this utterly vain (in both senses of the word) quest to impose through technology absolute consistency of all decision making onto a sport which by nature of the very physicality and fluidity that makes it the game we love, will remain utterly unsuited to such an approach. And still the only line we hear from the TV pundits is 'they need to stop making mistakes'. I really do think it's the system that's making the mistakes happen. It's making referees overthink and overanalyse incidents to the point that they don't know what they're seeing any more. Mind you, even as I say that.. I watched Lorient-Montpellier on BT Sport this PM and in a game with multiple penalty appeals and various other contentious incidents, VAR was utilised only sparingly and unobtrusively, with the referee very clearly in charge and trusting his own judgement first and foremost. So perhaps there is a sane and tolerable way of using the technology that we haven't arrived at yet. it seems to work much better and more unobtrusively in other countries in Europe. Maybe its the way its implemented here. Yes we get some rubbish refs in L2 but I think the decisions even themselves out over the season. Better that than deliberating whether someone's toenail or nose is "offside" ”Bof.”
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Post by Duncan McOchin on Oct 6, 2023 14:31:54 GMT
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Post by sk8ballboy on Oct 6, 2023 18:44:08 GMT
Isn't the Premier League an absolute cesspit? Saudi Arabia v Qatar last Wednesday and Beheadie Howe smirking away but he'll be getting the chop fairly soon.
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Post by edjelley on Oct 6, 2023 18:49:44 GMT
Could start getting interesting all this. I know the general feeling is city will 'get away' with everything.......however questions are being asked. The thing is Chelsea have already been sanctioned due to Abramovich so a precedent has been set. Also don't forget that there has been a public request from the Athletic newspaper over discussions between uk govt and uae re. the city ffp charges. It's maybe not all going away as quietly as some hoped it would!
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Oct 6, 2023 18:53:59 GMT
Isn't the Premier League an absolute cesspit? Saudi Arabia v Qatar last Wednesday and Beheadie Howe smirking away but he'll be getting the chop fairly soon. Normally hate these cheesy online terms for clubs and players, but that one did make me chuckle (1st time I've heard that one)
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Post by timberwolf on Oct 7, 2023 8:15:35 GMT
They seem to be falling out of love with VAR now the red scouse have been upset by it.
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Post by mat1scfc on Oct 7, 2023 17:22:46 GMT
Chris Basham (Sheffield United player) will be forced into retirement after an awful tackle that will probably have him out for the season but he's 35.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Oct 7, 2023 17:35:32 GMT
Chris Basham (Sheffield United player) will be forced into retirement after an awful tackle that will probably have him out for the season but he's 35. It wasn't a tackle. He's planted his foot to take the cross and has just rolled over it. Horrific.
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Post by Nik on Oct 7, 2023 17:46:09 GMT
Chris Basham (Sheffield United player) will be forced into retirement after an awful tackle that will probably have him out for the season but he's 35. It wasn't a tackle. He's planted his foot to take the cross and has just rolled over it. Horrific. Morbid curiosity again got the better of me; good f*cking god. Can't even begin to imagine the pain that would cause.
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