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Post by scfc29 on Apr 24, 2024 23:11:31 GMT
More humiliation heaped on Klopp. Some are destined to go out heroes but most go out as losers. Klopp is not alone, he's in the majority with that. 1 league win in 9 seasons is it? He's let those divs up the 192 route off a treat. Overrated IMO. Very unfair imo. 97, 92 and 99 points tallies in that time. If he wasn’t in the same era as the Oil State X Pep he’d have plenty more to his name. He matched them with half of the resources.
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Post by edjelley on Apr 25, 2024 7:53:35 GMT
More humiliation heaped on Klopp. Some are destined to go out heroes but most go out as losers. Klopp is not alone, he's in the majority with that. 1 league win in 9 seasons is it? He's let those divs up the 192 route off a treat. Overrated IMO. With respect, I haven't a clue what you're on about.. Liverpool have done brilliantly to even challenge city,given the different resources. Amazes me how some still talk as though city are some brilliant achievers!
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 25, 2024 8:00:23 GMT
One of the guys I know, a client who's become a good friend over the years was at the game and explained to me how he and his mates were in an adjacent pen pleading for the cop(s) 'protecting' one of the locked gates, to open it. Said cop wouldn't. And they could literally see people dying in front of their eyes even as they were pointing and pleading. He's had to undergo grief counselling since. The statement he gave shortly after the events it turns out went missing. He had to re-write that statement four or five years back for the big inquiry and, if I understood what he explained to me correctly, had to secure legal moves to make the re-written statement admissible. Not a liverpool lover by a long way and there has been a number of disasters in british football and numerous incidents that could have been. Those have one thing in common where they were caused by something structual that went pop. My old man was at the burnden park disaster and luckily for me i would not be posting on here if he had been unlucky. Him and his mate got pissed after the game and missed their last train home. Both were too far gone to think of riging someone who had a phone in those days and their wives were in bits before they finally got home the next day knowing via the radio of what happened. Hillsborough was totally different as there was only one group that caused it and could have been avoided even if you are a sun reader and believe everything written in it.
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Post by edjelley on Apr 25, 2024 8:34:12 GMT
More humiliation heaped on Klopp. Some are destined to go out heroes but most go out as losers. Klopp is not alone, he's in the majority with that. 1 league win in 9 seasons is it? He's let those divs up the 192 route off a treat. Overrated IMO. Very unfair imo. 97, 92 and 99 points tallies in that time. If he wasn’t in the same era as the Oil State X Pep he’d have plenty more to his name. He matched them with half of the resources. Very well put. No doubt Guardiola is a great coach but he always insists on starting off from a very distinct advantage squad wise.
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Post by gibbo on Apr 25, 2024 8:36:34 GMT
Very well put. No doubt Guardiola is a great coach but he always insists on starting off from a very distinct advantage squad wise,no matter how the club has managed to amass it! He won't I know, but I'd love Guardiola to take the United job - come on Pep, take job where you can really go and prove yourself as the genius that is often made out.
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Post by bigmartin on Apr 25, 2024 11:16:20 GMT
I think Liverpool asked for the audio to be released which is exactly how it should be. These refs are definitely biased. Have you seen Michael Oliver went reffing in Abu Dhabi recently paid for by City's owners? And guess what, he's given City some scandalous decisions after his trip. I don't understand how this is all allowed I'll be honest. It's anathema to me but then I work in an industry where if a client wants to take me out, I have to ask them how much they intend to spend on me, and if it's above £100 I have to seek internal authorisation from our "Bribery and Corruption" department (and yes, that's its precise name). If it's above £250 I have to decline. We're talking here of CLIENT'S - customers of ours, treating us, for stuff we may have done to help them. It's utterly unfathomable that football clubs can seek to buy favour from officials. There's only one possible reason they would do that.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 26, 2024 8:19:04 GMT
I think Liverpool asked for the audio to be released which is exactly how it should be. These refs are definitely biased. Have you seen Michael Oliver went reffing in Abu Dhabi recently paid for by City's owners? And guess what, he's given City some scandalous decisions after his trip. I don't understand how this is all allowed I'll be honest. It's anathema to be but then I work in an industry where if a client wants to take me out, I have to ask them how much they intend to spend on me, and if it's above £100 I have to seek internal authorisation from our "Bribery and Corruption" department (and yes, that's its precise name). If it's above £250 I have to decline. We're talking here of CLIENT'S - customers of ours, treating us, for stuff we may have done to help them. It's utterly unfathomable that football clubs can seek to buy favour from officials. There's only one possible reason they would do that. Its been going on for years though. Can go back to the 90,s where match officials in the euro cups were offered gifts of expensive clothing when they were doing games in italy. Know one ex ref on the UEFA list who refused them but in his last season took anything that was on offer but said it never affected his game. As fans we always feel certain refs have a down on us, Ellary comes straight to mind, but it can easily be the case like its happened with me that everytime you ref a certain club everything wrong that can go wrong seems to happen that gives the impression you are biased against them. Then not all clubs are ever equal in your eyes as clubs vary to how well you like visiting their ground less than others for different reasons but once out on the pitch you forget about all that.
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 26, 2024 8:33:11 GMT
I don't understand how this is all allowed I'll be honest. It's anathema to be but then I work in an industry where if a client wants to take me out, I have to ask them how much they intend to spend on me, and if it's above £100 I have to seek internal authorisation from our "Bribery and Corruption" department (and yes, that's its precise name). If it's above £250 I have to decline. We're talking here of CLIENT'S - customers of ours, treating us, for stuff we may have done to help them. It's utterly unfathomable that football clubs can seek to buy favour from officials. There's only one possible reason they would do that. Its been going on for years though. Can go back to the 90,s where match officials in the euro cups were offered gifts of expensive clothing when they were doing games in italy. Know one ex ref on the UEFA list who refused them but in his last season took anything that was on offer but said it never affected his game. As fans we always feel certain refs have a down on us, Ellary comes straight to mind, but it can easily be the case like its happened with me that everytime you ref a certain club everything wrong that can go wrong seems to happen that gives the impression you are biased against them. Then not all clubs are ever equal in your eyes as clubs vary to how well you like visiting their ground less than others for different reasons but once out on the pitch you forget about all that. Elleray was a 'schoolmaster' at Harrow. He f*cked us over twice against 'bigger' clubs. He f*cked over Chesterfield against a 'bigger' club. As an expert in pop psychology I'd say the man was an elitist prick.
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Post by Ngard on Apr 26, 2024 8:34:08 GMT
I think Liverpool asked for the audio to be released which is exactly how it should be. These refs are definitely biased. Have you seen Michael Oliver went reffing in Abu Dhabi recently paid for by City's owners? And guess what, he's given City some scandalous decisions after his trip. I don't understand how this is all allowed I'll be honest. It's anathema to be but then I work in an industry where if a client wants to take me out, I have to ask them how much they intend to spend on me, and if it's above £100 I have to seek internal authorisation from our "Bribery and Corruption" department (and yes, that's its precise name). If it's above £250 I have to decline. We're talking here of CLIENT'S - customers of ours, treating us, for stuff we may have done to help them. It's utterly unfathomable that football clubs can seek to buy favour from officials. There's only one possible reason they would do that. Yep - the statement by Forest was definitely amateur and shouldn't have been done but I do agree to some extent you could argue that the conflict of interest rule re your team should also extend to officiating games where the outcome could be favourable to your club in the form of a league win or relegation etc. Find it a bit annoying the audio for that one has been released privately to Forest - why not public if we are pushing for transparency? Clattenburg has defo caused trouble there and told Forest that in his view he thinks Attwell has let his biases cloud his judgment in the past. To me there is a slight conflict of interest and I agree with Forest's second statement that if there isn't rules on it there should be. I think back to my time when I used to work at the top four (non audit/accounting) albeit client facing and I would have to declare if my sisters cat had a conflict of interest/shares/etc in any business we looked after even if my division didn't even provide services for them. Ditto as you say with accepting gifts/socials with clients.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 26, 2024 9:29:42 GMT
Elleray was a 'schoolmaster' at Harrow. He f*cked us over twice against 'bigger' clubs. He f*cked over Chesterfield against a 'bigger' club. As an expert in pop psychology I'd say the man was an elitist prick. I,d agree with your view of him and thought he was the reece mogg on the referees list. However were his performances pre determed in those games as we did not help ourselves at wembley with him and guess the game would have ended with any other ref in charge that day just the same.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Apr 27, 2024 9:18:10 GMT
Saw a guy in a Man U/Burnley half and half at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday evening. They’re not even playing until this afternoon, so that’s dedication to worshipping at the altar of Tat!
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Post by The Real Exile on Apr 27, 2024 9:24:18 GMT
Saw a guy in a Man U/Burnley half and half at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday evening. They’re not even playing until this afternoon, so that’s dedication to worshipping at the altar of Tat! Ugh what a horrible creation, would take a minute to decide which side to wipe with first.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 27, 2024 10:22:55 GMT
Saw a guy in a Man U/Burnley half and half at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday evening. They’re not even playing until this afternoon, so that’s dedication to worshipping at the altar of Tat! Ugh what a horrible creation, would take a minute to decide which side to wipe with first. Shows there is a mug out there you can sell any old tat to. There will be no doubt somebody who will sell city/united ones at wembley. What next Celtic/Rangers half and halfs in their games.
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Post by runtothehills on Apr 27, 2024 11:52:50 GMT
Ugh what a horrible creation, would take a minute to decide which side to wipe with first. Shows there is a mug out there you can sell any old tat to. There will be no doubt somebody who will sell city/united ones at wembley. What next Celtic/Rangers half and halfs in their games. There was a citeh/utd one at the last derby at old trafford, saw it on the TV when they did a pan of the crowd, it's unbelievable to see that kind of thing although it was probably some American tourist.
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Post by yorkshahatter on Apr 27, 2024 19:07:19 GMT
Saw a guy in a Man U/Burnley half and half at Manchester Piccadilly yesterday evening. They’re not even playing until this afternoon, so that’s dedication to worshipping at the altar of Tat! Ugh what a horrible creation, would take a minute to decide which side to wipe with first. At Piccadilly this evening and a group of girls just got on my Middlesbrough train wearing them. Didn't manage to get a finger count unfortunately.
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