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Post by scfc73 on Sept 18, 2024 8:44:35 GMT
Makes you wonder how Flynny managed to play all those games in our promotion season. Did he moan or groan about the workload. I,m sure most of us would love to be tired out playing football at the top level. Feel the wrong people get the chances in life. Football now is played at such a higher intensity than it was even in the 90s; players are constantly pushing their bodies as far as they're able to, so when more and more games are being added to that, it takes more of a toll and we see more and more injuries that may not have happened in times gone by. Is it really though? personally think that's a bit of a myth. Look at the current style of 'Pep ball' (or Rusk ball if we're being derogatory) employed by a lot of teams. I watch a lot of games on tv nowadays & the majority of games I struggle to stay awake, Is the possession game of strolling about stroking the ball about back & forth, sideways, sideways, back & so on any more physically demanding than some of the blood & thunder games of yesteryear? Players play in lightweight kits on bowling greens, have all manner of sports science in terms of nutrition, strength & conditioning, & rest & recuperation methods built into their schedules, the game is far less physical nowadays in terms of what is deemed a foul or not as well, then there's also the ability now to make 5 subs in a game. If anything I think it's more a case where players are so finely tuned nowadays like thoroughbred race horses that the slightest tweak see's them out for weeks. I think the players of today will almost certainly be in better shape when retired than players of previous generations due to the way they're looked after, but will also spend more time injured during their playing careers. I just don't subscribe to this higher intensity lark or that the game demands more nowadays in terms of physical exertion.
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Post by samscfc on Sept 18, 2024 9:00:12 GMT
Makes you wonder how Flynny managed to play all those games in our promotion season. Did he moan or groan about the workload. I,m sure most of us would love to be tired out playing football at the top level. Feel the wrong people get the chances in life. Football now is played at such a higher intensity than it was even in the 90s; players are constantly pushing their bodies as far as they're able to, so when more and more games are being added to that, it takes more of a toll and we see more and more injuries that may not have happened in times gone by. One of my biggest gripes about top level football is how much some of the managers moan about the games. They've got all the resources, all the facilities, huge squads and more subs (which they asked for and don't even use) and still constantly whinge.
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Post by Nik on Sept 18, 2024 9:04:26 GMT
Football now is played at such a higher intensity than it was even in the 90s; players are constantly pushing their bodies as far as they're able to, so when more and more games are being added to that, it takes more of a toll and we see more and more injuries that may not have happened in times gone by. We keep being told that because of comparisons between eras. Doubt anybody who played at the top in previous eras would agree especially those who had to play with pain killing injections just to get a competative team on the pitch. Could the bodies of todays players take the kickings players got back then. Thankfully football has largely moved on from players spending 90 minutes getting kicked. I doubt any professional playing in a previous era would consider the current physical demands in terms of nutrition and physical fitness levels to be anywhere near comparable. There's a lot more science to it now.
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Post by desmond on Sept 18, 2024 9:44:02 GMT
We keep being told that because of comparisons between eras. Doubt anybody who played at the top in previous eras would agree especially those who had to play with pain killing injections just to get a competative team on the pitch. Could the bodies of todays players take the kickings players got back then. Thankfully football has largely moved on from players spending 90 minutes getting kicked. I doubt any professional playing in a previous era would consider the current physical demands in terms of nutrition and physical fitness levels to be anywhere near comparable. There's a lot more science to it now. Footballers in the 70’s were akin to shot putters/strong men, footballers today are akin to 100m sprinters.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 18, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
…stroking the ball about back & forth, sideways, sideways, back & so on… I wasn’t aware this kind of action was available on regular telly in this country?
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 18, 2024 10:11:01 GMT
Thankfully football has largely moved on from players spending 90 minutes getting kicked. I doubt any professional playing in a previous era would consider the current physical demands in terms of nutrition and physical fitness levels to be anywhere near comparable. There's a lot more science to it now. Footballers in the 70’s were akin to shot putters/strong men, footballers today are akin to 100m sprinters. Plus the speed of those sprinters is faster today than 50 years ago. They were as fit as todays sprinters are given the fitness information there was at the time.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 18, 2024 10:29:03 GMT
Makes you wonder how Flynny managed to play all those games in our promotion season. Did he moan or groan about the workload. I,m sure most of us would love to be tired out playing football at the top level. Feel the wrong people get the chances in life. As others have said, the game is so much more demanding now. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of his era have long standing health issues later in life due to the strains of playing 60+ games a season.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 18, 2024 10:32:34 GMT
Football now is played at such a higher intensity than it was even in the 90s; players are constantly pushing their bodies as far as they're able to, so when more and more games are being added to that, it takes more of a toll and we see more and more injuries that may not have happened in times gone by. Is it really though? personally think that's a bit of a myth. Look at the current style of 'Pep ball' (or Rusk ball if we're being derogatory) employed by a lot of teams. I watch a lot of games on tv nowadays & the majority of games I struggle to stay awake, Is the possession game of strolling about stroking the ball about back & forth, sideways, sideways, back & so on any more physically demanding than some of the blood & thunder games of yesteryear? Players play in lightweight kits on bowling greens, have all manner of sports science in terms of nutrition, strength & conditioning, & rest & recuperation methods built into their schedules, the game is far less physical nowadays in terms of what is deemed a foul or not as well, then there's also the ability now to make 5 subs in a game. If anything I think it's more a case where players are so finely tuned nowadays like thoroughbred race horses that the slightest tweak see's them out for weeks. I think the players of today will almost certainly be in better shape when retired than players of previous generations due to the way they're looked after, but will also spend more time injured during their playing careers. I just don't subscribe to this higher intensity lark or that the game demands more nowadays in terms of physical exertion. It's different in that there's less blood and thunder banging into each other, but the demands of sprints, fitness and every move you make being analysed and ranked is massive. I'd bet players intensity (measured by something like heart rate, number of sprints etc) is far, far greater than what we saw even in the 90s, let alone the 70s. They're not heading big heavy balls and wearing heavy cotton shirts any more but they're moving much more and far quicker than ever before.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 18, 2024 10:56:21 GMT
Is it really though? personally think that's a bit of a myth. Look at the current style of 'Pep ball' (or Rusk ball if we're being derogatory) employed by a lot of teams. I watch a lot of games on tv nowadays & the majority of games I struggle to stay awake, Is the possession game of strolling about stroking the ball about back & forth, sideways, sideways, back & so on any more physically demanding than some of the blood & thunder games of yesteryear? Players play in lightweight kits on bowling greens, have all manner of sports science in terms of nutrition, strength & conditioning, & rest & recuperation methods built into their schedules, the game is far less physical nowadays in terms of what is deemed a foul or not as well, then there's also the ability now to make 5 subs in a game. If anything I think it's more a case where players are so finely tuned nowadays like thoroughbred race horses that the slightest tweak see's them out for weeks. I think the players of today will almost certainly be in better shape when retired than players of previous generations due to the way they're looked after, but will also spend more time injured during their playing careers. I just don't subscribe to this higher intensity lark or that the game demands more nowadays in terms of physical exertion. It's different in that there's less blood and thunder banging into each other, but the demands of sprints, fitness and every move you make being analysed and ranked is massive. I'd bet players intensity (measured by something like heart rate, number of sprints etc) is far, far greater than what we saw even in the 90s, let alone the 70s. They're not heading big heavy balls and wearing heavy cotton shirts any more but they're moving much more and far quicker than ever before. They might be but overall is the actual games we watch from the stands any quicker now we have central defenders faster than wingers of the past were. Doubt anybody marvels about players heart rates or intensity measured by the number of sprints if there is no pure footballing skill on show.
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Post by suedehead on Sept 18, 2024 11:02:16 GMT
It's different in that there's less blood and thunder banging into each other, but the demands of sprints, fitness and every move you make being analysed and ranked is massive. I'd bet players intensity (measured by something like heart rate, number of sprints etc) is far, far greater than what we saw even in the 90s, let alone the 70s. They're not heading big heavy balls and wearing heavy cotton shirts any more but they're moving much more and far quicker than ever before. They might be but overall is the actual games we watch from the stands any quicker now we have central defenders faster than wingers of the past were. Doubt anybody marvels about players heart rates or intensity measured by the number of sprints if there is no pure footballing skill on show. It's not about fans marvelling, it's about the demands on the players bodies and keeping them safe. They're being asked to play more games at a higher level of performance than ever. It's no wonder we're battered by injuries. I've no idea how serious illnesses on the pitch (things like cardiac arrest) measure compared to previous decsdes but would be interesting to see. They seem more prevalent now, but that could be because there's a lot more coverage on telly/online than in previous times. And the game is undoubtedly faster than the past. It's easy to use some plodding Rusk team to say it's not, but look how many teams now and how much quicker it is compared to the 90s.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 18, 2024 11:02:36 GMT
Makes you wonder how Flynny managed to play all those games in our promotion season. Did he moan or groan about the workload. I,m sure most of us would love to be tired out playing football at the top level. Feel the wrong people get the chances in life. As others have said, the game is so much more demanding now. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of his era have long standing health issues later in life due to the strains of playing 60+ games a season. Less “self medication” too. Probably.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 18, 2024 11:24:46 GMT
They might be but overall is the actual games we watch from the stands any quicker now we have central defenders faster than wingers of the past were. Doubt anybody marvels about players heart rates or intensity measured by the number of sprints if there is no pure footballing skill on show. It's not about fans marvelling, it's about the demands on the players bodies and keeping them safe. They're being asked to play more games at a higher level of performance than ever. It's no wonder we're battered by injuries. I've no idea how serious illnesses on the pitch (things like cardiac arrest) measure compared to previous decsdes but would be interesting to see. They seem more prevalent now, but that could be because there's a lot more coverage on telly/online than in previous times. And the game is undoubtedly faster than the past. It's easy to use some plodding Rusk team to say it's not, but look how many teams now and how much quicker it is compared to the 90s. Unless you are involved by playing in europe or an international player players play no more extra games than they did 40 years ago. With the lack of cup replays there is a good chance an ever present player might play less. Injuries are occuring to players all across the top 5 divisions and not just those with european fixtures or international players. People are funny as if you tell someone they look or should be tired by their exursions they,ll quickly believe it.
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Post by scfc73 on Sept 18, 2024 12:35:47 GMT
I have zero sympathy for any top level player whingeing about playing too much. As someone who has spent a good chunk of my working life doing 12 hour shifts & periods of that time that involved 60+ hours a week, to be frank it boils my piss to hear a player complaining about playing 2 or 3 times a week & feeling tired. Prime athletes being paid thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands a week in a career which spans only 15-20 years at most & if they're relatively wise with their money should be set for life, I find it hard to identify with the hardships they're suffering!
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Post by atmosphere on Sept 18, 2024 12:49:20 GMT
Football is an entertaininment industry and ultimately at some point the quality does get diminished if the players are overloaded. Personally I feel there is just too much football as a fan. It's every night nowadays and a lot of games lack as much meaning.
I want to see the best players at their peak level. Injuries are part of the game but the sheer number of injuries diminishes the quality of the offering.
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Post by scfc29 on Sept 18, 2024 13:39:28 GMT
There probably is too much football now for the standard and intensity the games are played at.
The problem is footballers concerns can’t be taken seriously when every premier league team is jetting off to Australia or USA for extended tours as soon as the season ends. That’s the place to start.
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