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Post by vicar on Feb 26, 2024 13:25:55 GMT
There's a team somewhere in mid table now who who could make a run into the playoffs and be in league one next season we don't want to be caught and dragged into the playoffs from above, those coming in from below have far more momentum, we need to start winning to pull clear of that danger.
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Post by vicar on Feb 26, 2024 13:26:38 GMT
I think Saturday just proves how football goes when you're in a bit of a rut, the ball just doesn't go in for whatever reason. OK some of our finishing was questionable but when luck is against you it doesn't happen. If we'd had the same chances a few weeks earlier they'd have flown in. it only took 1 shot to go in on Saturday and it would of been 3 or 4 It would have been one if one shot had gone in Mat.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 26, 2024 13:41:10 GMT
It’s impossible for a league game at this stage of the season to be ‘must win’, we don’t know how many points we need. (Unless you are so far off safety you need to win every game and the side 1 outside the relegation spots lose every game) It depends on how you define must win, and I think the disagreements here are from people with different definitions. You've got the "Must win is when 'x' can't happen if we don't win the game" definition put forward by gibbo and others (including yourself hedleyverity if you don't mind me saying), or you've got the other looser definition ascribed by the likes of Dave Schofield of "It’s a must win in terms of building confidence and momentum". I don't think either definition is incorrect, it's using the same turn of phrase to mean two different things. For me, on this instance, I'm with DS. It's must win in that this is a team near the bottom, scrapping for their lives, who we must beat because if not this winless run is becoming a serious problem and those who believe we're destined for the playoffs are looking more prescient than I thought. Winning is a habit, as is not winning. We must get back to winning ways against one of the weakest teams in the division and I don't think that's an unreasonable position to have. For what it's worth I do think that as a football cliche "must win" is used in the David Schofield sense rather than the gibbo sense (I'm just using you two as the example because you gave succinct definitions for what you mean). While I still understand those who hold to the tighter definition of must win being a literal if you don't then x can't happen. At the very least I'm sure we can all agree that this is a must score a goal game.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 26, 2024 13:44:02 GMT
Totally agree and those who want another chorley situation need their heads looking at as that could have gone the other way and our history might be different now. Whilst true, it didn't and it's one of the best and unique moments inside Edgeley Park that many will ever have experienced. I'm not a jeopardy-chaser myself, but I wouldn't change experiencing that moment for anything. It's 10 or so minutes that will stay with me forever, from Chorley getting (and missing a penalty) through the false alarm of some muppets overcelebrating FCUM getting relegated, to Taylor has scored. I bought my ticket for Nuneaton straight after the game. It was great. I'd still like us to stroll to something for once though, instead of doing everything the hard way.
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Post by mat1scfc on Feb 26, 2024 13:46:31 GMT
it only took 1 shot to go in on Saturday and it would of been 3 or 4 It would have been one if one shot had gone in Mat. I meant that if 1 goal had of gone in then more shots would of gone in but instead we just couldn't score and the keeper decided he wanted to have a great game
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Post by gibbo on Feb 26, 2024 14:13:20 GMT
It depends on how you define must win, and I think the disagreements here are from people with different definitions. You've got the "Must win is when 'x' can't happen if we don't win the game" definition put forward by gibbo and others (including yourself hedleyverity if you don't mind me saying), or you've got the other looser definition ascribed by the likes of Dave Schofield of "It’s a must win in terms of building confidence and momentum". Rather than a looser view, Dave's (and others) view is a subjective one - no way of knowing for sure that it will have a negative impact on confidence / momentum, particularly as we don't know how the game will play out (could be a 2-2 where we've played really well and been unlucky not take all 3). My view is factual - we're not eliminated without a win on Saturday.
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Post by ricky on Feb 26, 2024 14:28:49 GMT
With all the time out many of our players have had, if they return they should be pretty fresh for the run in, could be crucial especially if opponents are starting to feel knackered after a long season. Clearly we really could do with a win on Saturday but if not, you just don’t know, we could put together a late surge instead of limping through to the last match. No idea how it’s all going to pan out, it’s been a very strange season.
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Post by Lee on Feb 26, 2024 14:34:26 GMT
With all the time out many of our players have had, if they return they should be pretty fresh for the run in, could be crucial especially if opponents are starting to feel knackered after a long season. Clearly we really could do with a win on Saturday but if not, you just don’t know, we could put together a late surge instead of limping through to the last match. No idea how it’s all going to pan out, it’s been a very strange season. It has. I wouldnt say I've overly enjoyed this season either. I've seen some absolute garbage over the years so I'm quite content with League 2 for a few years although I appreciate the money spent/Stotts ambitions wouldn't reflect this. I've not done as many aways as I'd usually like mainly due to the trains being a ballache but home atmospheres have been a massive disappointment and its almost we have this expectance of us winning now or people moan. The away ticket situations IMO are a ballache and taken away the last minute change of heart to travel away. There have been some brilliant performances and some not so good but guess that sums Division 4 football up in a nutshell. The Wrexham win was obviously fantastic at home and the Sutton game was great to see us whack so many in but its all just felt a bit different IMO. Seeing Louie Barry has been a big positive and such shame he got injured as IMO we'd be 10 points clear at the top now if he'd not had that injury. I'm hoping for a good end of the season which is a big ask given the injuries but we all need to step up at this time in need.
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Post by gibbo on Feb 26, 2024 14:36:55 GMT
With all the time out many of our players have had, if they return they should be pretty fresh for the run in, could be crucial especially if opponents are starting to feel knackered after a long season. Clearly we really could do with a win on Saturday but if not, you just don’t know, we could put together a late surge instead of limping through to the last match. No idea how it’s all going to pan out, it’s been a very strange season. On the game specifically I'm of similar mindset as going in to Gillingham where a point isn't a bad result providing we follow it up with a win against Newport.
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Post by David Schofield on Feb 26, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
With all the time out many of our players have had, if they return they should be pretty fresh for the run in, could be crucial especially if opponents are starting to feel knackered after a long season. Clearly we really could do with a win on Saturday but if not, you just don’t know, we could put together a late surge instead of limping through to the last match. No idea how it’s all going to pan out, it’s been a very strange season. Far from strange, it is following the exact pattern of the previous two seasons… Mind boggling selections and tactics leading to a poor start Immensely powerful run of results in the middle with settled side Noticeable drop off and return to confusion and poor form
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Post by ricky on Feb 26, 2024 14:53:00 GMT
With all the time out many of our players have had, if they return they should be pretty fresh for the run in, could be crucial especially if opponents are starting to feel knackered after a long season. Clearly we really could do with a win on Saturday but if not, you just don’t know, we could put together a late surge instead of limping through to the last match. No idea how it’s all going to pan out, it’s been a very strange season. Far from strange, it is following the exact pattern of the previous two seasons… Mind boggling selections and tactics leading to a poor start Immensely powerful run of results in the middle with settled side Noticeable drop off and return to confusion and poor form I think having upward of 7 injured players at any one time since October has made it very strange for me, I’ve been going for over 50 years, never seen anything like it. Mind boggling selections, think more trying to make the best of what we had available.
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Post by hedleyverity on Feb 26, 2024 14:54:31 GMT
It’s impossible for a league game at this stage of the season to be ‘must win’, we don’t know how many points we need. (Unless you are so far off safety you need to win every game and the side 1 outside the relegation spots lose every game) It depends on how you define must win, and I think the disagreements here are from people with different definitions. You've got the "Must win is when 'x' can't happen if we don't win the game" definition put forward by gibbo and others (including yourself hedleyverity if you don't mind me saying), or you've got the other looser definition ascribed by the likes of Dave Schofield of "It’s a must win in terms of building confidence and momentum". I don't think either definition is incorrect, it's using the same turn of phrase to mean two different things. For me, on this instance, I'm with DS. It's must win in that this is a team near the bottom, scrapping for their lives, who we must beat because if not this winless run is becoming a serious problem and those who believe we're destined for the playoffs are looking more prescient than I thought. Winning is a habit, as is not winning. We must get back to winning ways against one of the weakest teams in the division and I don't think that's an unreasonable position to have. For what it's worth I do think that as a football cliche "must win" is used in the David Schofield sense rather than the gibbo sense (I'm just using you two as the example because you gave succinct definitions for what you mean). While I still understand those who hold to the tighter definition of must win being a literal if you don't then x can't happen. At the very least I'm sure we can all agree that this is a must score a goal game. Well yes, that’s exactly how I’m defining it a ‘must win’ game is a game you must win, a win on Saturday would be very important, and could well kick us on to winning promotion, but we’re not doomed if we lose or draw. I’m surprised Dave S doesn’t agree with this given his previous insistence on very precise meanings of phrases!
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Post by David Schofield on Feb 26, 2024 15:18:29 GMT
Far from strange, it is following the exact pattern of the previous two seasons… Mind boggling selections and tactics leading to a poor start Immensely powerful run of results in the middle with settled side Noticeable drop off and return to confusion and poor form I think having upward of 7 injured players at any one time since October has made it very strange for me, I’ve been going for over 50 years, never seen anything like it. Mind boggling selections, think more trying to make the best of what we had available. We have had a greater issue with injuries this season but I think you are being selective in your thinking, we were riddled with injuries at the back end of last season too and the mind boggling selections were chosen from a healthy squad - Back 3 of Knoyle - Horsfall - Touray [shudders]
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Post by David Schofield on Feb 26, 2024 15:20:55 GMT
It depends on how you define must win, and I think the disagreements here are from people with different definitions. You've got the "Must win is when 'x' can't happen if we don't win the game" definition put forward by gibbo and others (including yourself hedleyverity if you don't mind me saying), or you've got the other looser definition ascribed by the likes of Dave Schofield of "It’s a must win in terms of building confidence and momentum". I don't think either definition is incorrect, it's using the same turn of phrase to mean two different things. For me, on this instance, I'm with DS. It's must win in that this is a team near the bottom, scrapping for their lives, who we must beat because if not this winless run is becoming a serious problem and those who believe we're destined for the playoffs are looking more prescient than I thought. Winning is a habit, as is not winning. We must get back to winning ways against one of the weakest teams in the division and I don't think that's an unreasonable position to have. For what it's worth I do think that as a football cliche "must win" is used in the David Schofield sense rather than the gibbo sense (I'm just using you two as the example because you gave succinct definitions for what you mean). While I still understand those who hold to the tighter definition of must win being a literal if you don't then x can't happen. At the very least I'm sure we can all agree that this is a must score a goal game. Well yes, that’s exactly how I’m defining it a ‘must win’ game is a game you must win, a win on Saturday would be very important, and could well kick us on to winning promotion, but we’re not doomed if we lose or draw. I’m surprised Dave S doesn’t agree with this given his previous insistence on very precise meanings of phrases! I am insistent on the very precise meaning of my phrase here too Of course I agree it’s not a ‘must win’ mathematically, that’s precisely why I explained precisely why I consider it to be a ‘must win’ Precisely 🙃
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Post by hedleyverity on Feb 26, 2024 15:39:33 GMT
Well yes, that’s exactly how I’m defining it a ‘must win’ game is a game you must win, a win on Saturday would be very important, and could well kick us on to winning promotion, but we’re not doomed if we lose or draw. I’m surprised Dave S doesn’t agree with this given his previous insistence on very precise meanings of phrases! I am insistent on the very precise meaning of my phrase here too Of course I agree it’s not a ‘must win’ mathematically, that’s precisely why I explained precisely why I consider it to be a ‘must win’ Precisely 🙃 To be fully clear with my own English I think it’s a game we should win, and a game I want us to win Insert some smiley emoji type thing here
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