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Post by timberwolf on May 29, 2024 7:47:54 GMT
I'd be happy if the resale money went in to a pool to fund tickets for kids and parents who otherwise couldn't afford to come. That could certainly be an option, probably more admin for the club though Doubt it would be an exercise that needed the club to employ a few more backroom staff to administrate it. Think most either pass them on to someone they know or just not bother to attend as they knew when purchasing one they,d miss a number of games anyway. Can see there would be a number like that who have the spare cash to fork out and buy one to avoid the ticketing system or the RE.
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Post by mat1scfc on May 30, 2024 9:16:03 GMT
I posted about United and Brentford doing this. I know there's loads of clubs, especially in the prem that do this
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Post by samscfc on May 30, 2024 9:19:01 GMT
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Post by timberwolf on May 30, 2024 9:32:48 GMT
If we ever brought something in like that they could stuff their ST and the start of me watching less and less live games to eventually seeing my last live game. What next, sick notes need providing for your lack of attendance. Who actually thinks of these things up. Certainly not someone who has ever queued up for a match day ticket in the rain.
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Post by stockytwo on May 30, 2024 10:20:28 GMT
If we ever brought something in like that they could stuff their ST and the start of me watching less and less live games to eventually seeing my last live game. What next, sick notes need providing for your lack of attendance. Who actually thinks of these things up. Certainly not someone who has ever queued up for a match day ticket in the rain. I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it.
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Post by Henry Pratt on May 30, 2024 11:06:14 GMT
If we ever brought something in like that they could stuff their ST and the start of me watching less and less live games to eventually seeing my last live game. What next, sick notes need providing for your lack of attendance. Who actually thinks of these things up. Certainly not someone who has ever queued up for a match day ticket in the rain. I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it. I don't - I'm surprised it's even legal tbh, although I'm sure there's something in the small print. If you make is easy to re-sell (and with the money going to the ST holder, not the club, apart from perhaps a small admin fee), the problem should be lessened. Taking away something you've paid for because circumstances (or even choice) mean you can't use it for more than about 80% of the time seems bizarre to me.
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Post by stockytwo on May 30, 2024 11:30:47 GMT
To be honest, I don't think there's any danger of it happening here for a long time. As long as future are our ticket platform it's never going to happen as they are completely useless, we wouldn't be able to implement the ticket resale element of it, so it simply couldn't happen.
Hopefully by the time Future have been consigned to the bin (the same bin containing CGC catering and those horrible goons we used to have as stewards) we will have a much bigger ground and it won't even be an issue.
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Post by palmersears on May 30, 2024 11:31:18 GMT
For bigger clubs I imagine they actually quite like it when a ST holder can't go and they can resell the ticket to a day-tripper who is going to buy a load of merch, food and drink. Not sure that's a concern for us at present (we never have any stock in the shop after September anyway...).
A reselling platform is way down the list of priorities for our ticketing system as well at the moment.
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Post by suedehead on May 30, 2024 12:30:30 GMT
If we ever brought something in like that they could stuff their ST and the start of me watching less and less live games to eventually seeing my last live game. What next, sick notes need providing for your lack of attendance. Who actually thinks of these things up. Certainly not someone who has ever queued up for a match day ticket in the rain. I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it. I disagree. I get the argument for it, we don't want empty seats, and it'd be great for anyone who has missed out on a ticket to get a second bite. But it's nothing to do with anyone what I choose to do once I've paid my money. I can go to one game or all 23, that's up to me. That's why I pay my £400. I've said before but the club (not really talking about County here, more in general terms) sticking their nose in is overstepping their remit. And I think it becomes a slippery slope from 'are you ok, we've not seen you for a while?' to 'you haven't been for 3 games so we're revoking your access and selling your seat for the next match'.
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Post by stockytwo on May 30, 2024 12:55:31 GMT
I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it. I can go to one game or all 23, that's up to me. That's why I pay my £400. I've said before but the club (not really talking about County here, more in general terms) sticking their nose in is overstepping their remit. And I think it becomes a slippery slope from 'are you ok, we've not seen you for a while?' to 'you haven't been for 3 games so we're revoking your access and selling your seat for the next match'. At the moment we're still in the realms of the theoretical applying the logic of the above to us so none of this really applies but I don't think it's acceptable for someone to buy an adult ST and only use it for one game, it's depriving someone else of access. Whilst it legally is your perogative if you want to spend £400 on a single game it doesn't feel right morally to me. Imagine a situation where a load of rich people buy ST's for Man United and only use them to go and see the City, Liverpool and Arsenal matches, leaving their seats vacant for all the other games, it's not right imo. Like i've previously said in the thread, you don't have to go and as long as you can pass the thing onto someone who needs it i've no qualms but fundamentally I don't think that just because you can afford to do something you should be allowed to do it. It's a bit like the mega rich buying property in London even though they may only stay there for a couple of weeks a year if that. It's perfectly legal but it doesn't feel right when there are people who need to be homed. People can get a bit touchy with stuff like this as I think they are fearful that suddenly their rights are going to be revoked just because they can't make a few matches but as WBA have confirmed by their statement, it's not their intention to apply a blanket ban on loyal fans who for whatever reason haven't been able to make a few matches, merely to make sure that the stadium is full as can be on every match.
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Post by ancienthatter on May 30, 2024 13:43:12 GMT
If we ever brought something in like that they could stuff their ST and the start of me watching less and less live games to eventually seeing my last live game. What next, sick notes need providing for your lack of attendance. Who actually thinks of these things up. Certainly not someone who has ever queued up for a match day ticket in the rain. I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it. You don’t have a responsibility at all. It’s nice and thoughtful if you do. But it’s not a term of sale. There’s always going to be a good number of people who can’t get to a game at the last minute.. or who don’t know if they can make it or not until a few hours before. It’s just the way it is. I’m not as easy as Suedehead on this. I absolutely don’t believe it’s ok if you buy a season ticket for a child and only use it 2 or 3 times a season but I wouldn’t expect someone to feel obliged to fill their seat if they miss a handful of games.
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Post by suedehead on May 30, 2024 13:51:35 GMT
I can go to one game or all 23, that's up to me. That's why I pay my £400. I've said before but the club (not really talking about County here, more in general terms) sticking their nose in is overstepping their remit. And I think it becomes a slippery slope from 'are you ok, we've not seen you for a while?' to 'you haven't been for 3 games so we're revoking your access and selling your seat for the next match'. At the moment we're still in the realms of the theoretical applying the logic of the above to us so none of this really applies but I don't think it's acceptable for someone to buy an adult ST and only use it for one game, it's depriving someone else of access. Whilst it legally is your perogative if you want to spend £400 on a single game it doesn't feel right morally to me. Imagine a situation where a load of rich people buy ST's for Man United and only use them to go and see the City, Liverpool and Arsenal matches, leaving their seats vacant for all the other games, it's not right imo. Like i've previously said in the thread, you don't have to go and as long as you can pass the thing onto someone who needs it i've no qualms but fundamentally I don't think that just because you can afford to do something you should be allowed to do it. It's a bit like the mega rich buying property in London even though they may only stay there for a couple of weeks a year if that. It's perfectly legal but it doesn't feel right when there are people who need to be homed. People can get a bit touchy with stuff like this as I think they are fearful that suddenly their rights are going to be revoked just because they can't make a few matches but as WBA have confirmed by their statement, it's not their intention to apply a blanket ban on loyal fans who for whatever reason haven't been able to make a few matches, merely to make sure that the stadium is full as can be on every match. I do agree with you. We haven't got anyone buying a ST for 1/2/3 games so it's all a bit of a weird hypothetical question, but I agree that isn't really on and in the spirit of things. But I think where we differ is it's nothing to do with the club if someone chooses to do that. If I buy a season ticket and then circumstances change (new job, happened to me in 2010/11 and I went to 2/3 games after September), or I get ill (happened last season and I missed two games, but should really have missed more) then it's nobodies business. Despite what WBA have said, if their intention isn't to try and resell tickets then why are they asking? They don't actually care how someone is, they're just looking for an opportunity to resell a ticket and make more money. That response from them on twitter has clearly been written by someone who knows what they're doing but it smacks of a softened message. And maybe the club are within their rights to do that. But I fundamentally disagree with it. A season ticket gives access to every game in a season, but there's no stipulation that you actually have to attend if you can't make it. If we got to the Championship and my circumstances were that I could only make 5-7 games a season, because of a similar relocation to the one I had in 2010, I'd still buy a season ticket as it guarantees me entry to the games I can make.
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Post by stockytwo on May 30, 2024 14:10:00 GMT
I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it. You don’t have a responsibility at all. It’s nice and thoughtful if you do. But it’s not a term of sale. There’s always going to be a good number of people who can’t get to a game at the last minute.. or who don’t know if they can make it or not until a few hours before. It’s just the way it is. I’m not as easy as Suedehead on this. I absolutely don’t believe it’s ok if you buy a season ticket for a child and only use it 2 or 3 times a season but I wouldn’t expect someone to feel obliged to fill their seat if they miss a handful of games. Yeah I think missing a handful of games without bothering to try and fill in your space is ok if it's last minute that you find out you can't go. I guess i'm just fundamentally trying to encourage people to share their tickets out if not using them. It's just so so easy with the barcodes these days. It's all moot anyway as I would only support a cancellation of unused season tickets if.... 1. We had a system whereby it's super easy to return your ticket if you can't go (we don't) 2. The cancellation only occurs when the user misses a large number of games (say 50%) without returning the ticket for resale or sending to someone else to be used for free in their absense. 3. Extenuating circumstances were taken into account 4. This was only for adult season tickets Can't say fairer than that really.
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Post by suedehead on May 30, 2024 14:24:54 GMT
I applaud it. And I say that as a ST holder who misses a few games (must have missed around 6 last season). All I would say though is that it's on the individual to make sure they either tell the club when they can't go so they can resell the ticket or give their season ticket away over a message board or whatever to make sure it's used. There's nothing worse than ST holders who just buy ST's only use them for the bigger games and can't be arsed to offer them away when they aren't attending. Granted, this is more of an issue higher up the pyramid where the disapirity for the big games and the small games are huge (United vs City match tickets can be sold for £500-£1000) but it is gradually becoming an issue here too. Last season the amount of free space in the Cheadle End when it was supposedly sold out was horrific. It's even worse when there are people who can't afford season tickets and either can't go or have to get soaked in the RE, it just doesn't sit right with me. You have a responsibility to make sure your space gets used if you can't go or at least offer it. You don’t have a responsibility at all. It’s nice and thoughtful if you do. But it’s not a term of sale. There’s always going to be a good number of people who can’t get to a game at the last minute.. or who don’t know if they can make it or not until a few hours before. It’s just the way it is. I’m not as easy as Suedehead on this. I absolutely don’t believe it’s ok if you buy a season ticket for a child and only use it 2 or 3 times a season but I wouldn’t expect someone to feel obliged to fill their seat if they miss a handful of games. I am being a little bit antagonistic about the kids ones, but atm that's pretty much the only way I can take my son. I go every week, he comes 4/5 times a season - hopefully more this year. But if I don't get him a season ticket then he can't sit with me when he does come. And hje's only four so obviously can't sit elsewhere on his own. So it's either he doesn't come at all or he has a season ticket but misses quite a few games.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on May 30, 2024 15:46:07 GMT
Over 6k sold.. a new club record.
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