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Post by Philcounty on Aug 24, 2024 12:26:48 GMT
Add Bate. Hopefully just a knock or his previous one flaring up. Apparently JK said that it's a mild thigh injury, likely to be out for a couple of weeks.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 24, 2024 19:05:37 GMT
For "fun". The injured XI.
"Ben" (not injured!) Mingi Hughes Connolly MSH Bate Powell Adaramola Fiorini Mellon Stretton
Subs Rydel and Knoyle
Pretty decent that. Our first choice wingbacks (and backups) and captain. You'd definitely want Mingi, Fiorini and Mellon in at least the matchday squad too. Though plenty of the above haven't had a chance to show what they can bring.
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Post by samscfc on Aug 24, 2024 19:52:03 GMT
I'm interested to know if people do think it is a coincidence/bad luck or are we doing something wrong? I don't know obviously but the amount of injuries we've had over the past 18 months is absurd. There can't be another club in the world who's had more injuries than us.
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Post by HTC on Aug 24, 2024 19:57:31 GMT
We’re definitely doing something wrong.
The problem is that we’re still doing whatever it is despite having a massive back room team in place whose job is to avoid this sort of thing.
Personally, suspect it’s a combination of something a bit wrong with the turf or similar at the training ground, overtraining, and picking up higher quality players who are known to be injury prone because they represent better value, even if they can only play half a season.
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Post by palmersears on Aug 24, 2024 20:10:17 GMT
We’re definitely doing something wrong. The problem is that we’re still doing whatever it is despite having a massive back room team in place whose job is to avoid this sort of thing. Personally, suspect it’s a combination of something a bit wrong with the turf or similar at the training ground, overtraining, and picking up higher quality players who are known to be injury prone because they represent better value, even if they can only play half a season. Be interesting to see the injury record of our FL signings before and after they joined us, as I suspect the bit in bold is probably a sizeable factor. Also how many injuries are impact ones in games (which by and large you can’t legislate for) and which are non contact, particularly those sustained in training.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 24, 2024 20:12:04 GMT
I'm interested to know if people do think it is a coincidence/bad luck or are we doing something wrong? I don't know obviously but the amount of injuries we've had over the past 18 months is absurd. There can't be another club in the world who's had more injuries than us. Love to know the the stats on that. A quick Google says, in the EPL only, United had the most injuries last season, 45, and Newcastle lost the most days to injury - 1,960 (in a shorter 38 game season). The average being about 1,050, not including people injured in preseason. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21oWere we above Newcastle? Barry, MSH, Collar, Knoyle, Wootton, Rydel and Stretton all had big injuries. (I've probably missed someone too!) Plenty of teams around 1,700 too, all spending big money. Where I'm at is that I doubt we're the worst in the world, probably far from it - it's just we're only focused on our own injuries. Shit luck happens but the amount and consistency of the injuries suggests we may be do something that puts us at increased risk - that could be recruitment rather than anything day to day though. It could be an accumulation of very small things too. Ultimately, I'm confident the club will do whatever they can to sort it though. It's much cheaper and easier than having to buy extra players (and crucial to our success on the pitch). We also have a manager who is a trained physio!
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 24, 2024 20:31:47 GMT
We’re definitely doing something wrong. The problem is that we’re still doing whatever it is despite having a massive back room team in place whose job is to avoid this sort of thing. Personally, suspect it’s a combination of something a bit wrong with the turf or similar at the training ground, overtraining, and picking up higher quality players who are known to be injury prone because they represent better value, even if they can only play half a season. Do we actually have a massive backroom team? I'm not saying you're wrong but I see this mentioned a lot and I've got no idea how big our backroom team and what that is like relative to other L1 clubs. It feels like something people have accepted because it's been repeated a lot and the reality is we were always going to add staff going from recently part-time to L1. COWS has 9 coaching staff including 1 Sports Therapist and 1 Head of Conditioning. Presumably we have a Physio too? As a sample, I've just gone to other club's websites: Wrexham - 13 staff. 6 in total for physio, S&C and sports therapy. Manager: Phil Parkinson Assistant Manager: Steve Parkin First-Team Coach: David Jones Goalkeeping Coach: Aidan Davison Head of Performance Medicine and Sports Science: Kevin Mulholland First Team Physiotherapist: Jonny Griffiths, Catherine Beattie First Team Sports Therapist: Ryan Murray, Ashley Paynter First Team Sports Scientist: Owen Jackson First Team Strength & Conditioning Coach: Richard Hill Performance Analyst: Kyle Crutchley, George Parkinson Mansfield looks fairly similar too. Manager: Nigel Clough Assistant manager: Gary Crosby First team coach: Andy Garner Strength & conditioning coach: David Waldie Head of goalkeeping Adam Collin Senior performance analyst: Matt Ash Head of recruitment: Simon Clough Head physio: Tom Whittamore Academy manager: Richard Cooper Head of Academy operations and Designated safeguarding officer Neil Bainbridge Academy physio: Tom Chapman Kit man: Tobias Rowan Assistant kit man: Oliver Jankiewicz Club doctor: Dr. Prabu I can't be bothered keeping going (and appreciate this isn't exactly scientific) but I'd be interested if anyone can show that we have a massive backroom team, whether objectively or relative to other teams.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 24, 2024 20:35:20 GMT
Maybe what we need to do is spend more on physio / S&C? I would have thought it would be worth bringing in a specialist for an objective, external review even if it tells us that they can't see anything wrong. No idea what that would cost but say even £50k would be pocket change compared to getting a couple of extra players fit per season.
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Post by Philcounty on Aug 24, 2024 20:39:58 GMT
Completely unscientific and unreliable, but I saw Ryan Rydel walking about before the game and he appeared, to me, to be limping. He didn't look close to a return to my completely untrained eye.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 24, 2024 20:46:14 GMT
Completely unscientific and unreliable, but I saw Ryan Rydel walking about before the game and he appeared, to me, to be limping. He didn't look close to a return to my completely untrained eye. The same was said by someone about Tanto then he was back for Blackpool but I appreciate the input. Rydel has always been behind Stretton and Powell in long term updates and with everyone getting pushed back I wouldn't be surprised with the same for him. Sounded like we weren't hopeful for anyone to be back for Mansfield so with Reading postponed we're looking at 3 weeks to Crawley anyways when the latest is 4-5 back.
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Post by wnm on Aug 24, 2024 22:16:01 GMT
Completely unscientific and unreliable, but I saw Ryan Rydel walking about before the game and he appeared, to me, to be limping. He didn't look close to a return to my completely untrained eye. Didn’t someone say on here say that about Tanto four days before he returned at Blackpool.
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 24, 2024 22:40:39 GMT
Completely unscientific and unreliable, but I saw Ryan Rydel walking about before the game and he appeared, to me, to be limping. He didn't look close to a return to my completely untrained eye. Didn’t someone say on here say that about Tanto four days before he returned at Blackpool. I saw him pre match on Hardcastle Road and he didn't look to be limping at all to me.
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 24, 2024 22:58:09 GMT
We've been defending medical and strength and conditioning staff because they've not been muscle injuries.
Bate is a thigh a strain and Mingi a hamstring today so that defence is finished now. It was always bollocks tbh.
Time for an overhaul in the strength and conditioning area. I've been calling for it for 2 years now.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 24, 2024 23:37:19 GMT
We've been defending medical and strength and conditioning staff because they've not been muscle injuries. Bate is a thigh a strain and Mingi a hamstring today so that defence is finished now. It was always bollocks tbh. Time for an overhaul in the strength and conditioning area. I've been calling for it for 2 years now. And how many players went off injured for Rovers? It was a few. You can't just say that one (minor) thigh strain and one suspected hamstring means the rest about 7 knee injuries - the longterm absentees - is bollocks. The reality is we haven't got the information needed to assess this and even then the expertise. Just let the club get on with it. Challinor is a qualified physio, born winner and isn't afraid to call out players for not following instructions on the pitch. I'm sure it's the same in-house. The club will be doing everything they can to fix it and are the ones with the information and, hopefully, expertise. They certainly have all the incentives. Stott is ridiculously ambitious so I'm sure will have taken an interest in something this significant. Looking af the above article I linked though, Newcastle lost 2,000 days of the last season to injury cumulatively over their squad. So that's 10 players for at least two-thirds of the season I'd guess. That may even top us? We're in a bad place and it needs fixing but I wouldn't say it's the worst injury crisis ever as some have said. It's also not as simple as more money, no injuries. Edit- Some players haven't even had to chance to get back from last season's injuries yet too or have picked up smaller injuries as coming off the best part of season out is tough: MSH, Rydel and Stretton.
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Post by atmosphere on Aug 25, 2024 9:42:24 GMT
One positive on the injury front was that Mellon will start training again in a couple of weeks according to one of Sam Byrne's updates. Great to hear that he obviously didn't do his ACL. Will be another good forward option for us as the season goes on.
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