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Post by timberwolf on Aug 25, 2024 10:20:33 GMT
We've been defending medical and strength and conditioning staff because they've not been muscle injuries. Bate is a thigh a strain and Mingi a hamstring today so that defence is finished now. It was always bollocks tbh. Time for an overhaul in the strength and conditioning area. I've been calling for it for 2 years now. I,d guess the club has looked into that. Its not as if we are not run in a professional way or on a shoe string.
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Post by samscfc on Aug 25, 2024 16:25:08 GMT
I'm interested to know if people do think it is a coincidence/bad luck or are we doing something wrong? I don't know obviously but the amount of injuries we've had over the past 18 months is absurd. There can't be another club in the world who's had more injuries than us. Love to know the the stats on that. A quick Google says, in the EPL only, United had the most injuries last season, 45, and Newcastle lost the most days to injury - 1,960 (in a shorter 38 game season). The average being about 1,050, not including people injured in preseason. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21oWere we above Newcastle? Barry, MSH, Collar, Knoyle, Wootton, Rydel and Stretton all had big injuries. (I've probably missed someone too!) Plenty of teams around 1,700 too, all spending big money. Where I'm at is that I doubt we're the worst in the world, probably far from it - it's just we're only focused on our own injuries. Shit luck happens but the amount and consistency of the injuries suggests we may be do something that puts us at increased risk - that could be recruitment rather than anything day to day though. It could be an accumulation of very small things too. Ultimately, I'm confident the club will do whatever they can to sort it though. It's much cheaper and easier than having to buy extra players (and crucial to our success on the pitch). We also have a manager who is a trained physio! I honestly think we had more than Newcastle. How many of our outfield players last season didn't pick up an injury? I can only think of Paddy and Horsfall.
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Post by ricky on Aug 25, 2024 16:44:37 GMT
It’s all very unusual, that said, I doubt DC et al are doing anything too different from what they have generally done in terms of fitness etc. throughout their coaching careers. Would be interesting to get Roger Wylde’s take on it looking in from the outside.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 25, 2024 17:05:41 GMT
Love to know the the stats on that. A quick Google says, in the EPL only, United had the most injuries last season, 45, and Newcastle lost the most days to injury - 1,960 (in a shorter 38 game season). The average being about 1,050, not including people injured in preseason. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21oWere we above Newcastle? Barry, MSH, Collar, Knoyle, Wootton, Rydel and Stretton all had big injuries. (I've probably missed someone too!) Plenty of teams around 1,700 too, all spending big money. Where I'm at is that I doubt we're the worst in the world, probably far from it - it's just we're only focused on our own injuries. Shit luck happens but the amount and consistency of the injuries suggests we may be do something that puts us at increased risk - that could be recruitment rather than anything day to day though. It could be an accumulation of very small things too. Ultimately, I'm confident the club will do whatever they can to sort it though. It's much cheaper and easier than having to buy extra players (and crucial to our success on the pitch). We also have a manager who is a trained physio! I honestly think we had more than Newcastle. How many of our outfield players last season didn't pick up an injury? I can only think of Paddy and Horsfall. You may be right. We certainly had 10+ out plenty of times, but for 2/3 of the season (I'm guestimating that 200 days is about 2/3 of an EPL season so 10 x 200 is 2,000 days lost to injury)? I'm not sure. I'm tempted to try and work it out but I don't think the data is there. For context though, 8 of the EPL sides had 20 or more players who picked up an injury during the season. I completely agree it's bad and needs to be fixed but I'm not convinced it's unheard of (including at higher levels) and some of the players from last season's injuries aren't even back yet.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 25, 2024 17:27:17 GMT
It’s all very unusual, that said, I doubt DC et al are doing anything too different from what they have generally done in terms of fitness etc. throughout their coaching careers. Would be interesting to get Roger Wylde’s take on it looking in from the outside. hes my go to guy for lower league physios on fm24 (no idea tbh if its the same person tbh. It has him at scunthorpe, i know i could google it but i wont)
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 25, 2024 17:32:09 GMT
It’s all very unusual, that said, I doubt DC et al are doing anything too different from what they have generally done in terms of fitness etc. throughout their coaching careers. Would be interesting to get Roger Wylde’s take on it looking in from the outside. hes my go to guy for lower league physios on fm24 (no idea tbh if its the same person tbh. It has him at scunthorpe, i know i could google it but i wont) It is. You can sleep easy. Looks to have moved on / retired? at the end of last season though. www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2024/july/further-additions-to-the-irons-backroom-staff-ahead-of-the-new-season/
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Post by ancienthatter on Aug 25, 2024 18:03:10 GMT
I do wonder if our extreme pressing game is causing problems. It must add to stresses and strains on the knees.
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Post by wnm on Aug 25, 2024 18:52:35 GMT
I do wonder if our extreme pressing game is causing problems. It must add to stresses and strains on the knees. Didn’t Hartlepool play with similar tactics and squads that were smaller and had much less depth? I could be wrong but don’t remember them ever having big injury issues.
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 25, 2024 19:41:41 GMT
We also wont be the only team high pressing with high energy training
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 27, 2024 0:04:19 GMT
The bigger question should be, why for three seasons running, after just a handful of game, we have a long list of injured players,again. Is it training surface, training regime, or lack of, or signing injury prone players. Injuries at this club also seem to take twice as long to recover from, compared with other clubs.
From Mansfield's forum. Sound familiar....? Not sure if they've double figures like us though. And another:
That's the biggest concern for me too. Like you say, we seem to be constantly battling with a list of long term injuries. Sounds like Flint and possibly Reed will miss the Stockport game now and be absent for God knows how long. Last week Blake Tracy was a possibility to start against Lincoln, now it sounds like he won't be available for Stockport either from Clough's interview. It seems like whenever we lose a player it's for months on end.
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Post by Durango95 on Aug 27, 2024 1:10:30 GMT
There’s something clearly wrong regards to injuries. I grew up watching players who smoked, drank and trained on dog shit fields. And they were some of the best teams I’ve ever seen. And even in 96-97 one of the best teams we had that did well, when Megson came in he outed Armstrong for eating kebabs and others for their fitness. Nowadays it’s miles ahead, of course it is. they’re proper athletes now as it should be. But why with our championship setup are we still getting the same injuries it’s frustrating.
Didn’t we get rid of one coach this summer?
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 27, 2024 6:04:59 GMT
The bigger question should be, why for three seasons running, after just a handful of game, we have a long list of injured players,again. Is it training surface, training regime, or lack of, or signing injury prone players. Injuries at this club also seem to take twice as long to recover from, compared with other clubs. From Mansfield's forum. Sound familiar....? Not sure if they've double figures like us though. And another: That's the biggest concern for me too. Like you say, we seem to be constantly battling with a list of long term injuries. Sounds like Flint and possibly Reed will miss the Stockport game now and be absent for God knows how long. Last week Blake Tracy was a possibility to start against Lincoln, now it sounds like he won't be available for Stockport either from Clough's interview. It seems like whenever we lose a player it's for months on end. Mansfield injury list
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 27, 2024 6:10:25 GMT
They can surely just bus some extra players in as cover?
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 27, 2024 6:12:13 GMT
My theory, worth the grand sum of shit all, is it's the nature of football in 2024 and that we'll see it far far more consistently now and going forward.
It's this high pressing game. Constant tracking, extended physical exertion, with very limited in game rest.
Interesting to note, and I've studied this in an extremely deep and scientific manner (I'm lying), that it's becoming very common for clubs to point out their injury crisis' and that often it's the teams doing really well and marked for their pressing game.
I doubt that the club are doing anything wrong per-se. We're just set up on too professional a basis for that. Plus, if we were, I think we'd have players come out and say it/insinuate it. Especially players who have left the club. If Southam-Hales for example had incurred this debilitating and really frustrating injury and it's recurrence, as a result of delinquent training methods here, then I'm sure he, with his advisors, would be pushing back. And my man on the inside (I'm lying again) believes that just isn't the case.
We're so good at this high intensity pressing game. It's the price we pay for it I reckon.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 27, 2024 6:12:49 GMT
They can surely just bus some extra players in as cover? Edge Lord!
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