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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 27, 2024 6:20:29 GMT
They can surely just bus some extra players in as cover? They're still in single injuries. Poor show! Actually they're looking at moving on a couple of the fringes (Swan and Nichols) who have been on the bench but not featured due to interest. I expect they'll bring in a couple to replace them though. 6 defenders out for them but Clough has said he doesn't want to bring in more - I guess because some are back soonish and Akins and Bowery can fill in there. A few are long termers though from last season. They're on a tighter budget than us but I think squad slots is another issue. Only 1 u21 player has featured for them so far and there's been no loans in, I think. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of u21 loans in.
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Post by ancienthatter on Aug 27, 2024 8:02:05 GMT
My theory, worth the grand sum of shit all, is it's the nature of football in 2024 and that we'll see it far far more consistently now and going forward. It's this high pressing game. Constant tracking, extended physical exertion, with very limited in game rest. Interesting to note, and I've studied this in an extremely deep and scientific manner (I'm lying), that it's becoming very common for clubs to point out their injury crisis' and that often it's the teams doing really well and marked for their pressing game. I doubt that the club are doing anything wrong per-se. We're just set up on too professional a basis for that. Plus, if we were, I think we'd have players come out and say it/insinuate it. Especially players who have left the club. If Southam-Hales for example had incurred this debilitating and really frustrating injury and it's recurrence, as a result of delinquent training methods here, then I'm sure he, with his advisors, would be pushing back. And my man on the inside (I'm lying again) believes that just isn't the case. We're so good at this high intensity pressing game. It's the price we pay for it I reckon. Totally agree.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 27, 2024 8:20:01 GMT
My theory, worth the grand sum of shit all, is it's the nature of football in 2024 and that we'll see it far far more consistently now and going forward. It's this high pressing game. Constant tracking, extended physical exertion, with very limited in game rest. Interesting to note, and I've studied this in an extremely deep and scientific manner (I'm lying), that it's becoming very common for clubs to point out their injury crisis' and that often it's the teams doing really well and marked for their pressing game. I doubt that the club are doing anything wrong per-se. We're just set up on too professional a basis for that. Plus, if we were, I think we'd have players come out and say it/insinuate it. Especially players who have left the club. If Southam-Hales for example had incurred this debilitating and really frustrating injury and it's recurrence, as a result of delinquent training methods here, then I'm sure he, with his advisors, would be pushing back. And my man on the inside (I'm lying again) believes that just isn't the case. We're so good at this high intensity pressing game. It's the price we pay for it I reckon. If it was just us then we,d have a real problem. I seriously doubt that any side we have played this season had their full squads available for the game. Do not know a thing about the human body but can a person be over fit and the diets they are on might not be the best for everyone of them. All clubs trying to have an edge on others with all the information available might be the cause of this and you can only stretch a rubber band to a certain point before it snaps.
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Post by malc on Aug 27, 2024 8:38:18 GMT
In the old days, most players diets consisted of cigarettes and alcohol. They didn't seem to get the type of, or amount of, injuries that are prevalent in the modern game. Add in the out and out on pitch thuggery and glue pots of pitches that they played on back then and you start to wonder how they managed to play football at all. The amount of injuries today is a bit baffling for those of us reared on watching the likes of Leeds and Chelsea kick the crap out of their opponents and that mud bath of a pitch at Derby. And there was only 1 sub allowed then too!!!
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 27, 2024 8:39:04 GMT
My theory, worth the grand sum of shit all, is it's the nature of football in 2024 and that we'll see it far far more consistently now and going forward. It's this high pressing game. Constant tracking, extended physical exertion, with very limited in game rest. Interesting to note, and I've studied this in an extremely deep and scientific manner (I'm lying), that it's becoming very common for clubs to point out their injury crisis' and that often it's the teams doing really well and marked for their pressing game. I doubt that the club are doing anything wrong per-se. We're just set up on too professional a basis for that. Plus, if we were, I think we'd have players come out and say it/insinuate it. Especially players who have left the club. If Southam-Hales for example had incurred this debilitating and really frustrating injury and it's recurrence, as a result of delinquent training methods here, then I'm sure he, with his advisors, would be pushing back. And my man on the inside (I'm lying again) believes that just isn't the case. We're so good at this high intensity pressing game. It's the price we pay for it I reckon. If it was just us then we,d have a real problem. I seriously doubt that any side we have played this season had their full squads available for the game. Do not know a thing about the human body but can a person be over fit and the diets they are on might not be the best for everyone of them. All clubs trying to have an edge on others with all the information available might be the cause of this and you can only stretch a rubber band to a certain point before it snaps. They did somewhat of a 'pressing masterclass' type shamboodle on Match of the Day at the weekend and if it didn't nothing else, it served to highlight just how demanding this pressing game is. Like, it's not just one player marking another, it's that entire front line and midfield (as well as the defence) pressing in tandem. It just seems outrageously physically demanding. Then, when the opponent breaks the high block the defending team then resorts to a low block. It struck me that the only break you have from that is when you hold the ball, but then the physical demands of the game are still there, just in a different way. We're asking far more of these players in 2024 than has been asked for over the years. And the distances these guys are running, over a 90 minute period, are simply astounding. Then, throw in the fact that it's a pretty darned physical sport. Aside from rugby or other ball sports I can't think of any sport quite so physically demanding. Even, for example, a tennis player doesn't have to also put up with Frank f*ckwit scything into him from the side... I'm not surprised there are lots of injuries in all truth. Nature of the sport in 2024, especially for successful squads.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 27, 2024 8:44:05 GMT
In the old days, most players diets consisted of cigarettes and alcohol. They didn't seem to get the type of, or amount of, injuries that are prevalent in the modern game. Add in the out and out on pitch thuggery and glue pots of pitches that they played on back then and you start to wonder how they managed to play football at all. The amount of injuries today is a bit baffling for those of us reared on watching the likes of Leeds and Chelsea kick the crap out of their opponents and that mud bath of a pitch at Derby. And there was only 1 sub allowed then too!!! "Pressing" just did not exist. You marked your player when defending. You went forward on the attack. And when the ball was lost, you ran back to get into defensive position. I literally don't think "high presses", "mid blocks" were even a thing back in t' olden days. And of course, if you were cream crackered you had that option to piss around sending the ball back to your keeper who could pick it up and have a fag whilst everyone had a breather... Honestly, I don't think football has ever been a more physical game than it is now. The thuggery is still there though, arguably to a lesser extent of course. But these guys today would leave teams from the past absolutely wheezing on the half way line I'm convinced. In fact I just think they'd not even get near the ball. And when they did, they'd be closed down and lose possession in the blink of an eye.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 27, 2024 9:36:07 GMT
In the old days, most players diets consisted of cigarettes and alcohol. They didn't seem to get the type of, or amount of, injuries that are prevalent in the modern game. Add in the out and out on pitch thuggery and glue pots of pitches that they played on back then and you start to wonder how they managed to play football at all. The amount of injuries today is a bit baffling for those of us reared on watching the likes of Leeds and Chelsea kick the crap out of their opponents and that mud bath of a pitch at Derby. And there was only 1 sub allowed then too!!! Thing is they were only physically fit for the standard of the game at that time. Possibly go back to when the first ball was kicked players were still fitter than the fans but not like they are now. Same with athletes where the 100 yards quickest time has had seconds knocked off that over time. Is there a maximum that the human body can take or go to or will we eventually hit a level where records well not be broken. Players have got injured years ago but seem to be different types of injury or have had their name changed. Who ever heard of an ACL years back but they must have occurred.
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Post by desmond on Aug 27, 2024 9:37:06 GMT
If it was just us then we,d have a real problem. I seriously doubt that any side we have played this season had their full squads available for the game. Do not know a thing about the human body but can a person be over fit and the diets they are on might not be the best for everyone of them. All clubs trying to have an edge on others with all the information available might be the cause of this and you can only stretch a rubber band to a certain point before it snaps. They did somewhat of a 'pressing masterclass' type shamboodle on Match of the Day at the weekend and if it didn't nothing else, it served to highlight just how demanding this pressing game is. Like, it's not just one player marking another, it's that entire front line and midfield (as well as the defence) pressing in tandem. It just seems outrageously physically demanding. Then, when the opponent breaks the high block the defending team then resorts to a low block. It struck me that the only break you have from that is when you hold the ball, but then the physical demands of the game are still there, just in a different way. We're asking far more of these players in 2024 than has been asked for over the years. And the distances these guys are running, over a 90 minute period, are simply astounding. Then, throw in the fact that it's a pretty darned physical sport. Aside from rugby or other ball sports I can't think of any sport quite so physically demanding. Even, for example, a tennis player doesn't have to also put up with Frank f*ckwit scything into him from the side... I'm not surprised there are lots of injuries in all truth. Nature of the sport in 2024, especially for successful squads. I was invited to a full training session the season before last and was genuinely in awe and amazed at the intensity of the training. People used to joke about football players “doing a couple of hours work” each day, they may be right in the number of hours spent training but the effort put into it is incredible. Training at that intensity has to have some effect on the players.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 27, 2024 10:08:56 GMT
They did somewhat of a 'pressing masterclass' type shamboodle on Match of the Day at the weekend and if it didn't nothing else, it served to highlight just how demanding this pressing game is. Like, it's not just one player marking another, it's that entire front line and midfield (as well as the defence) pressing in tandem. It just seems outrageously physically demanding. Then, when the opponent breaks the high block the defending team then resorts to a low block. It struck me that the only break you have from that is when you hold the ball, but then the physical demands of the game are still there, just in a different way. We're asking far more of these players in 2024 than has been asked for over the years. And the distances these guys are running, over a 90 minute period, are simply astounding. Then, throw in the fact that it's a pretty darned physical sport. Aside from rugby or other ball sports I can't think of any sport quite so physically demanding. Even, for example, a tennis player doesn't have to also put up with Frank f*ckwit scything into him from the side... I'm not surprised there are lots of injuries in all truth. Nature of the sport in 2024, especially for successful squads. I was invited to a full training session the season before last and was genuinely in awe and amazed at the intensity of the training. People used to joke about football players “doing a couple of hours work” each day, they may be right in the number of hours spent training but the effort put into it is incredible. Training at that intensity has to have some effect on the players. I can imagine they spend a lot of time with niggles and even play through a lot of them. I've never really fallen into the presumption of the lazy "not a real job" stereotype of them. And I think it's even harder these days with the money floating around and all the socio-economic and business related bullshit they have to navigate through. And many of them earn well, but most not stupendously so.
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Post by desmond on Aug 27, 2024 10:10:30 GMT
They did somewhat of a 'pressing masterclass' type shamboodle on Match of the Day at the weekend and if it didn't nothing else, it served to highlight just how demanding this pressing game is. Like, it's not just one player marking another, it's that entire front line and midfield (as well as the defence) pressing in tandem. It just seems outrageously physically demanding. Then, when the opponent breaks the high block the defending team then resorts to a low block. It struck me that the only break you have from that is when you hold the ball, but then the physical demands of the game are still there, just in a different way. We're asking far more of these players in 2024 than has been asked for over the years. And the distances these guys are running, over a 90 minute period, are simply astounding. Then, throw in the fact that it's a pretty darned physical sport. Aside from rugby or other ball sports I can't think of any sport quite so physically demanding. Even, for example, a tennis player doesn't have to also put up with Frank f*ckwit scything into him from the side... I'm not surprised there are lots of injuries in all truth. Nature of the sport in 2024, especially for successful squads. I was invited to a full training session the season before last and was genuinely in awe and amazed at the intensity of the training. People used to joke about football players “doing a couple of hours work” each day, they may be right in the number of hours spent training but the effort put into it is incredible. Training at that intensity has to have some effect on the players. Unrelated in many ways but should also add how incredibly friendly the players were to the small group of people invited to the session. Happy to sign autographs and have pictures taken, a great bunch of people representing our club.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 27, 2024 10:11:15 GMT
In the old days, most players diets consisted of cigarettes and alcohol. They didn't seem to get the type of, or amount of, injuries that are prevalent in the modern game. Add in the out and out on pitch thuggery and glue pots of pitches that they played on back then and you start to wonder how they managed to play football at all. The amount of injuries today is a bit baffling for those of us reared on watching the likes of Leeds and Chelsea kick the crap out of their opponents and that mud bath of a pitch at Derby. And there was only 1 sub allowed then too!!! Thing is they were only physically fit for the standard of the game at that time. Possibly go back to when the first ball was kicked players were still fitter than the fans but not like they are now. Same with athletes where the 100 yards quickest time has had seconds knocked off that over time. Is there a maximum that the human body can take or go to or will we eventually hit a level where records well not be broken. Players have got injured years ago but seem to be different types of injury or have had their name changed. Who ever heard of an ACL years back but they must have occurred. They'll start measuring racing speeds down to the tens of thousands to see records broken, especially with the extent of technological advancement. It was comical watching that Olympic pole vaulter break his record and seeing that the bar was almost atop the whateverthehellitis that it sits on. Same kind of thing, there must come a point where they can't make the pole take any further stress.
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Post by malc on Aug 27, 2024 13:00:28 GMT
In the old days, most players diets consisted of cigarettes and alcohol. They didn't seem to get the type of, or amount of, injuries that are prevalent in the modern game. Add in the out and out on pitch thuggery and glue pots of pitches that they played on back then and you start to wonder how they managed to play football at all. The amount of injuries today is a bit baffling for those of us reared on watching the likes of Leeds and Chelsea kick the crap out of their opponents and that mud bath of a pitch at Derby. And there was only 1 sub allowed then too!!! Thing is they were only physically fit for the standard of the game at that time. Possibly go back to when the first ball was kicked players were still fitter than the fans but not like they are now. Same with athletes where the 100 yards quickest time has had seconds knocked off that over time. Is there a maximum that the human body can take or go to or will we eventually hit a level where records well not be broken. Players have got injured years ago but seem to be different types of injury or have had their name changed. Who ever heard of an ACL years back but they must have occurred. Maybe not so baffling when you consider all those factors of the game today. Players like my childhood hero Colin Bell. A fabulous footballer in his day and age but would probably struggle to get into a NLN side if he had that level of fitness today despite that he was classed as super fit for his time. And yes, players did get seriously injured years ago. Colin himself was done by what we now know was an ACL injury. The treatment of these kind of injuries is far better these days meaning these type of injuries are rarely career enders as they were back then.
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Post by ricky on Aug 27, 2024 14:01:52 GMT
They can surely just bus some extra players in as cover? 😂nice topical reference!
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 27, 2024 15:00:41 GMT
If it was just us then we,d have a real problem. I seriously doubt that any side we have played this season had their full squads available for the game. Do not know a thing about the human body but can a person be over fit and the diets they are on might not be the best for everyone of them. All clubs trying to have an edge on others with all the information available might be the cause of this and you can only stretch a rubber band to a certain point before it snaps. They did somewhat of a 'pressing masterclass' type shamboodle on Match of the Day at the weekend and if it didn't nothing else, it served to highlight just how demanding this pressing game is. Like, it's not just one player marking another, it's that entire front line and midfield (as well as the defence) pressing in tandem. It just seems outrageously physically demanding. Then, when the opponent breaks the high block the defending team then resorts to a low block. It struck me that the only break you have from that is when you hold the ball, but then the physical demands of the game are still there, just in a different way. We're asking far more of these players in 2024 than has been asked for over the years. And the distances these guys are running, over a 90 minute period, are simply astounding. Then, throw in the fact that it's a pretty darned physical sport. Aside from rugby or other ball sports I can't think of any sport quite so physically demanding. Even, for example, a tennis player doesn't have to also put up with Frank f*ckwit scything into him from the side... I'm not surprised there are lots of injuries in all truth. Nature of the sport in 2024, especially for successful squads. - Loki the fallen angel, Dogma.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 27, 2024 16:28:10 GMT
My theory, worth the grand sum of shit all, is it's the nature of football in 2024 and that we'll see it far far more consistently now and going forward. It's this high pressing game. Constant tracking, extended physical exertion, with very limited in game rest. Interesting to note, and I've studied this in an extremely deep and scientific manner (I'm lying), that it's becoming very common for clubs to point out their injury crisis' and that often it's the teams doing really well and marked for their pressing game. I doubt that the club are doing anything wrong per-se. We're just set up on too professional a basis for that. Plus, if we were, I think we'd have players come out and say it/insinuate it. Especially players who have left the club. If Southam-Hales for example had incurred this debilitating and really frustrating injury and it's recurrence, as a result of delinquent training methods here, then I'm sure he, with his advisors, would be pushing back. And my man on the inside (I'm lying again) believes that just isn't the case. We're so good at this high intensity pressing game. It's the price we pay for it I reckon. All that and players missing games which they'd have played in in the past, which is a good thing for their long term health.
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