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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 29, 2024 11:16:54 GMT
We can't keep bringing in players every time somebody gets injured. We'll struggle but it may focus minds on injury prevention and strength and conditioning. We need to do a root and branch review into it this season, we can't keep bringing players in. Just hope it doesn't there was supposedly an investigation get so bad that we'll be down at the wrong end. There was supposedly an investigation last season. And yet here we are…
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Post by slomasscfc on Jul 29, 2024 14:20:33 GMT
Connolly, ankle ligaments was hoping to only be out for a month when I spoke to him yesterday
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 29, 2024 14:24:42 GMT
Connolly, ankle ligaments was hoping to only be out for a month when I spoke to him yesterday the versatile player whos perfect for when we have injurys is... injured
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Post by suedehead on Jul 29, 2024 14:30:56 GMT
It's farcical if we're stacked with injuries again.
We've never, ever had this before.
No idea what's causing them, and I get that there's always going to be some players out, but we can't be going into the season with so many out.
People dismiss impact injuries as just one of those things, but are the players made of glass now? Why are they so susceptible to being our for months after a challenge? We leave plenty on opposition players and they're not out for months.
Are we working the players too hard? Recovery periods aren't right? Is that why that Strength & Conditioning bloke left in the summer? Not expecting anybody to actually know the answer but this many players out, and consistently having a large number of players out, isn't just unlucky.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 29, 2024 14:40:45 GMT
It's farcical if we're stacked with injuries again. We've never, ever had this before. No idea what's causing them, and I get that there's always going to be some players out, but we can't be going into the season with so many out. People dismiss impact injuries as just one of those things, but are the players made of glass now? Why are they so susceptible to being out for months after a challenge? We leave plenty on opposition players and they're not out for months. Are we working the players too hard? Recovery periods aren't right? Is that why that Strength & Conditioning bloke left in the summer? Not expecting anybody to actually know the answer but this many players out, and consistently having a large number of players out, isn't just unlucky. Vacancy’s still open. Imagine going for the interview and *tries to choose words carefully under the circumstances* seeing the congestion in the treatment room. www.stockportcounty.com/stockport-county-job-advert-head-of-strength-conditioning/
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 29, 2024 14:43:56 GMT
It's happened for the last two seasons. People forget how badly we were hit 22/23 aswell.
I've been racking my brains trying to come to a conclusion.
Do we over analyse now? For example, someone goes down with a slight knee twist, in old money you'd just go off how the player feels. So in 2-3 weeks they feel alright and they play.
Now we scan everything and we scan someone who slightly twists their knee and the scan shows a slight sprain of the ligaments. To be fully healed the doctoe says it's 6-8 weeks and they must follow X programme which everyone adheres to.
People will say it's player welfare. A lot of the time the players are desperate to come back and I bet as soon as they can run without pain they'll be desperate to be out there.
The reason I explore this avenue (I'm not saying this is it just floating the idea) is because Premier League teams do get massive, massive injury lists. It isn't a case of having the most or best staff means you get fewer injuries. I wonder if may be the opposite for the reasons highlighted above.
Someone on here said once footballers now are like finely tuned cars. They go like a dream when 100% but one little issue and it's in the garage for weeks.
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Post by edjelley on Jul 29, 2024 15:05:29 GMT
It's farcical if we're stacked with injuries again. We've never, ever had this before. No idea what's causing them, and I get that there's always going to be some players out, but we can't be going into the season with so many out. People dismiss impact injuries as just one of those things, but are the players made of glass now? Why are they so susceptible to being our for months after a challenge? We leave plenty on opposition players and they're not out for months. Are we working the players too hard? Recovery periods aren't right? Is that why that Strength & Conditioning bloke left in the summer? Not expecting anybody to actually know the answer but this many players out, and consistently having a large number of players out, isn't just unlucky. Perfect summing up and a great post. Can't just be down to bad luck all the time. Maybe somebody could raise the issue at the fans forum or JK could get an answer when he does an interview next time?. As you say,it's getting ridiculous now.
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Post by stockytwo on Jul 29, 2024 15:17:44 GMT
It's a shame the stats aren't readily available for our leagues so we can compare what we've been like with injuries compared to other clubs at our level. However, it's a fact that injuries are up massively over the last few years at all levels so there's definately something going on.
Sure I read that at one point last season Newcastle had 11 first teamers out injured. Man United too had 45 seperate instances of injuries over the season. Just incredible numbers really, no one seems to know why either.
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Post by stevie57 on Jul 29, 2024 16:51:17 GMT
It's farcical if we're stacked with injuries again. We've never, ever had this before. No idea what's causing them, and I get that there's always going to be some players out, but we can't be going into the season with so many out. People dismiss impact injuries as just one of those things, but are the players made of glass now? Why are they so susceptible to being our for months after a challenge? We leave plenty on opposition players and they're not out for months. Are we working the players too hard? Recovery periods aren't right? Is that why that Strength & Conditioning bloke left in the summer? Not expecting anybody to actually know the answer but this many players out, and consistently having a large number of players out, isn't just unlucky. This is worth someone preparing a question asking about this at the upcoming fans forum, including asking about the outcome of any review done after last season’s woes.
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Post by manowarfan1 on Jul 29, 2024 17:21:42 GMT
More concerning to me are the non-contact injuries. Usually, they end up being long term, and they weren't caused by contact, so was it just a badly placed step, bad luck, the training pitch needs fixing? I understand the contact injuries, even though it does seem like guys are getting hurt more often, they are supposed to be finely tuned athletes, but are running into the same. Maybe County needs a Yoga instructor to help with flexibility and stretching Figured they already had one as they have such a large staff.
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Post by desmond on Jul 29, 2024 17:55:36 GMT
More concerning to me are the non-contact injuries. Usually, they end up being long term, and they weren't caused by contact, so was it just a badly placed step, bad luck, the training pitch needs fixing? I understand the contact injuries, even though it does seem like guys are getting hurt more often, they are supposed to be finely tuned athletes, but are running into the same. Maybe County needs a Yoga instructor to help with flexibility and stretching Figured they already had one as they have such a large staff. Were recruiting for a head of Feng Shui.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 29, 2024 18:35:13 GMT
It's happened for the last two seasons. People forget how badly we were hit 22/23 aswell. I've been racking my brains trying to come to a conclusion. Do we over analyse now? For example, someone goes down with a slight knee twist, in old money you'd just go off how the player feels. So in 2-3 weeks they feel alright and they play. Now we scan everything and we scan someone who slightly twists their knee and the scan shows a slight sprain of the ligaments. To be fully healed the doctoe says it's 6-8 weeks and they must follow X programme which everyone adheres to. People will say it's player welfare. A lot of the time the players are desperate to come back and I bet as soon as they can run without pain they'll be desperate to be out there. The reason I explore this avenue (I'm not saying this is it just floating the idea) is because Premier League teams do get massive, massive injury lists. It isn't a case of having the most or best staff means you get fewer injuries. I wonder if may be the opposite for the reasons highlighted above. Someone on here said once footballers now are like finely tuned cars. They go like a dream when 100% but one little issue and it's in the garage for weeks. “ Do we over analyse now?” I was wondering if this might play a part. I’m sure with one or two injuries we’ve said “so and so player felt ok but we sent them for a precautionary scan and uncovered this so now they’re out for weeks or months”.
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Post by ebbs on Jul 29, 2024 22:07:47 GMT
I think changing styles of play could have something to do with it. High Pressing is far more demanding these days and you can spend a fair amount of time at somewhere near full tilt. I remember when klopp first went to Liverpool and introduced the high press he said that the players needed to work at it because they weren't fit enough to do it properly. I also agree with the over analysing knocks. It's never a game or two, it always seems to start at 6 weeks minimum. Listen to the old pros and they seldom took the field feeling 100 %.
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Post by stevie57 on Jul 30, 2024 5:30:57 GMT
Besides all the theories put forward on here, I think training sessions nowadays are conducted at an intensity unimaginable only a few years ago with all the dangers that entails; the degree of intensity might vary from club to club, but I think it’s high under DC and our staff here, but if it’s related to how we play, then I’m not sure how it can be reined in.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 30, 2024 8:27:12 GMT
I think changing styles of play could have something to do with it. High Pressing is far more demanding these days and you can spend a fair amount of time at somewhere near full tilt. I remember when klopp first went to Liverpool and introduced the high press he said that the players needed to work at it because they weren't fit enough to do it properly. I also agree with the over analysing knocks. It's never a game or two, it always seems to start at 6 weeks minimum. Listen to the old pros and they seldom took the field feeling 100 %. Could be clubs are pushing players far too much in the hope of gaining an edge through fitness. If this was just us and a couple of other clubs then you,d could say its just bad luck or having a few injury prone lads on their books. Its across the whole of football including the NL where this is happening. The teams who come out of this the best are the ones with a strong strength in depth and those who are injured long term as easier ones to replace. Actually where would we have finished last season if Horsfall had been out for the end of the season and Paddy after january. We have looked into this and expect others have done the same but without real answers.
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