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Post by Philcounty on Aug 6, 2024 21:35:52 GMT
As far as I can see, you can only see the breakdown of how many in favour and how many objections immediately after you submit a comment. It would be good if people could keep us updated when they submit. I've just submitted comments in support in my usual verbose style. Objections: 10 Supporting: 108. It seems all 10 of them got their objections in early. That number doesn't seem to be moving. It would be good if a few more of our 6,500 ST holders showed their support. The club keep going on about it so they must think it could be quite important.
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Post by Imposter on Aug 7, 2024 5:59:19 GMT
I've just submitted comments in support in my usual verbose style. Objections: 10 Supporting: 108. It seems all 10 of them got their objections in early. That number doesn't seem to be moving. It would be good if a few more of our 6,500 ST holders showed their support. The club keep going on about it so they must think it could be quite important. One thing that is important to remember is that it doesn't always matter the numbers so much as the validity and relevance of what you put. If 1000 County well-wishers just put, "go ahead, it'd be ace for County" (not saying that's what's happening particularly, but just "if"), but one objector says, "I object, this is not in line with planning criteria XYZ, and you've not done ABC", then they are likely to pay as much, or more attention to the objector. Of course if it was 1000 saying that they'd be foolish not to consider potential benefits of it helping County be successful and well-supported, but they'd need to balance it against other considerations and potential cons. So if anyone else is going to put something, what is really useful is if you look up the planning criteria and aims of SMBC and nationally, and reference how the development complies with those and will/may help achieve planning criteria targets. So not quite as simple as 100-odd for versus 10 against.
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Post by jkb9b on Aug 7, 2024 6:31:12 GMT
It seems all 10 of them got their objections in early. That number doesn't seem to be moving. It would be good if a few more of our 6,500 ST holders showed their support. The club keep going on about it so they must think it could be quite important. One thing that is important to remember is that it doesn't always matter the numbers so much as the validity and relevance of what you put. If 1000 County well-wishers just put, "go ahead, it'd be ace for County" (not saying that's what's happening particularly, but just "if"), but one objector says, "I object, this is not in line with planning criteria XYZ, and you've not done ABC", then they are likely to pay as much, or more attention to the objector. Of course if it was 1000 saying that they'd be foolish not to consider potential benefits of it helping County be successful and well-supported, but they'd need to balance it against other considerations and potential cons. So if anyone else is going to put something, what is really useful is if you look up the planning criteria and aims of SMBC and nationally, and reference how the development complies with those and will/may help achieve planning criteria targets. So not quite as simple as 100-odd for versus 10 against. I wish I'd thought of looking up the planning criteria and aims as you suggest, but what I *did* do was use the allowable criteria on the council comments form and comment on them positively. There's also a list of non-valid objections which I suspect will rule out a lot of things residents might otherwise want to use.
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Post by stevie57 on Aug 7, 2024 6:42:56 GMT
It seems all 10 of them got their objections in early. That number doesn't seem to be moving. It would be good if a few more of our 6,500 ST holders showed their support. The club keep going on about it so they must think it could be quite important. One thing that is important to remember is that it doesn't always matter the numbers so much as the validity and relevance of what you put. If 1000 County well-wishers just put, "go ahead, it'd be ace for County" (not saying that's what's happening particularly, but just "if"), but one objector says, "I object, this is not in line with planning criteria XYZ, and you've not done ABC", then they are likely to pay as much, or more attention to the objector. Of course if it was 1000 saying that they'd be foolish not to consider potential benefits of it helping County be successful and well-supported, but they'd need to balance it against other considerations and potential cons. So if anyone else is going to put something, what is really useful is if you look up the planning criteria and aims of SMBC and nationally, and reference how the development complies with those and will/may help achieve planning criteria targets. So not quite as simple as 100-odd for versus 10 against. This is really good, it neatly summarises what people need to know, it is clear, factually accurate, and helpful. The only thing I would add is something I think the club have been doing anyway, and that is getting the Council’s officers - ie the professionals - on board to recommend acceptance of the plans to the Area Committee and ultimately the Planning Committee (both the amateurs - ie elected councillors), the latter whom actually make the decision. Just for context, the controversial 2,150-home green belt development at Godley Green Green has been approved by Tameside Council who received during the consultation: 4,205 objections (with 4,559 signatures) 33 letters of support.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 7, 2024 7:01:41 GMT
Am just wondering whether the club should hold a Danny night and get ex-players and Bellis to come and talk about that era. Am sure it would be popular and the magic needs to be passed down to the younger generations. And yes, Jim Gannon should be there! anyone know if Jim Gannon or Ben Hinchliffe have been approached about writing a book? for different reasons, they both must have amazing stories to tell about their time at County... I know Ben is still playing, but like to think he is keeping a diary of his career at both County and Fylde, as he's had an amazing journey. Jim was definitely writing his memoirs a few years ago, but unsure whether he’d ever make them public. I asked him a few years ago if he’d do a live talk with me asking questions, similar to what I did with Sam Walker and Peter Ward. It wasn’t the right time for him then, and he was the one who recommended Peter, but he has since taken part in the NLN event at Stockport Gin and spoke quite a lot there so you never know. I’d absolutely love to do it, I’m sure he’d fill three rooms too. Part of the problem for me would be how on earth do you condense even just his County career into 2/3 hours, let alone outside of County, his early life, growing up etc.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 7, 2024 7:07:55 GMT
One thing that is important to remember is that it doesn't always matter the numbers so much as the validity and relevance of what you put. If 1000 County well-wishers just put, "go ahead, it'd be ace for County" (not saying that's what's happening particularly, but just "if"), but one objector says, "I object, this is not in line with planning criteria XYZ, and you've not done ABC", then they are likely to pay as much, or more attention to the objector. Of course if it was 1000 saying that they'd be foolish not to consider potential benefits of it helping County be successful and well-supported, but they'd need to balance it against other considerations and potential cons. So if anyone else is going to put something, what is really useful is if you look up the planning criteria and aims of SMBC and nationally, and reference how the development complies with those and will/may help achieve planning criteria targets. So not quite as simple as 100-odd for versus 10 against. This is really good, it neatly summarises what people need to know, it is clear, factually accurate, and helpful. The only thing I would add is something I think the club have been doing anyway, and that is getting the Council’s officers - ie the professionals - on board to recommend acceptance of the plans to the Area Committee and ultimately the Planning Committee (both the amateurs - ie elected councillors), the latter whom actually make the decision. Just for context, the controversial 2,150-home green belt development at Godley Green Green has been approved by Tameside Council who received during the consultation: 4,205 objections (with 4,559 signatures) 33 letters of support. On both projects there will be a majority who are not arsed anyway plus others who just do not vote either way. Many objectors object for everything as they just hate change.
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Post by hatter91 on Aug 7, 2024 7:18:54 GMT
I saw the figures after submitting my response on the 'comments' tab. Going back to that page now, it doesn't show the same information - just shows you the box to submit your response, even though you've already done it.
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Post by kayem1 on Aug 7, 2024 8:00:53 GMT
anyone know if Jim Gannon or Ben Hinchliffe have been approached about writing a book? for different reasons, they both must have amazing stories to tell about their time at County... I know Ben is still playing, but like to think he is keeping a diary of his career at both County and Fylde, as he's had an amazing journey. Jim was definitely writing his memoirs a few years ago, but unsure whether he’d ever make them public. I asked him a few years ago if he’d do a live talk with me asking questions, similar to what I did with Sam Walker and Peter Ward. It wasn’t the right time for him then, and he was the one who recommended Peter, but he has since taken part in the NLN event at Stockport Gin and spoke quite a lot there so you never know. I’d absolutely love to do it, I’m sure he’d fill three rooms too. Part of the problem for me would be how on earth do you condense even just his County career into 2/3 hours, let alone outside of County, his early life, growing up etc. I just loved Jim's pre and post match interviews. They were excellent!
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 7, 2024 8:26:54 GMT
Think Jim could write a very interesting book himself without the need of any help. He does not even have to mention his last sacking. Possibly unless he wants to write one of the longest biographies ever it might need two volumes.
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Post by redhatter on Aug 7, 2024 12:03:03 GMT
As far as I can see, you can only see the breakdown of how many in favour and how many objections immediately after you submit a comment. It would be good if people could keep us updated when they submit. I've just submitted comments in support in my usual verbose style. Objections: 10 Supporting: 108. Have you got a link for the consultation?
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Post by redhatter on Aug 7, 2024 12:08:34 GMT
Am just wondering whether the club should hold a Danny night and get ex-players and Bellis to come and talk about that era. Am sure it would be popular and the magic needs to be passed down to the younger generations. And yes, Jim Gannon should be there! The Co-op have held a Danny night, as part of the launch of Bergara Gin. Chris Beaumont, Mike Flynn, Jim Gannon, Paul Jones, Peter Ward and Bill Williams were the guests. It was a great evening, hosted by Steve Bellis and Nick Lee. I can't see Jim doing an event at the Club.
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Post by vicar on Aug 7, 2024 12:20:01 GMT
Am just wondering whether the club should hold a Danny night and get ex-players and Bellis to come and talk about that era. Am sure it would be popular and the magic needs to be passed down to the younger generations. And yes, Jim Gannon should be there! The Co-op have held a Danny night, as part of the launch of Bergara Gin. Chris Beaumont, Mike Flynn, Jim Gannon, Paul Jones, Peter Ward and Bill Williams were the guests. It was a great evening, hosted by Steve Bellis and Nick Lee. I can't see Jim doing an event at the Club. View AttachmentThat's a situation I'd like to see the club fix.
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Post by bristolhatter on Aug 7, 2024 12:22:58 GMT
Can anyone summarise the objections received to date? As long as the club does things properly and addresses real concerns/problems, these shouldn't be a stumbling block.
For reference, Bristol Rovers have been majorly pissing off residents in last few years, they commenced construction of their South Stand last summer without planning permission being submitted and then started a PR campaign for fans to flood the council with requests for approval retrospectively. I don't think they'd have received many objections to what was actually built, the locals were just concerned that no plans had been shared prior to works starting. Phase 2 will include hundreds of student flats to subsidise the construction cost. No doubt this will be also receive objections because parking is already at a premium (non match day) and no doubt they will not include adequate parking for the students. (a lot of students have cars in Bristol as the campuses are spread out).
I agree with the sentiment that you can't move near a football ground and then complain about traffic/disruption but it's really important the club do things properly (definitely seems like we are!)
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Aug 7, 2024 16:50:23 GMT
anyone know if Jim Gannon or Ben Hinchliffe have been approached about writing a book? for different reasons, they both must have amazing stories to tell about their time at County... I know Ben is still playing, but like to think he is keeping a diary of his career at both County and Fylde, as he's had an amazing journey. Jim was definitely writing his memoirs a few years ago, but unsure whether he’d ever make them public. I asked him a few years ago if he’d do a live talk with me asking questions, similar to what I did with Sam Walker and Peter Ward. It wasn’t the right time for him then, and he was the one who recommended Peter, but he has since taken part in the NLN event at Stockport Gin and spoke quite a lot there so you never know. I’d absolutely love to do it, I’m sure he’d fill three rooms too. Part of the problem for me would be how on earth do you condense even just his County career into 2/3 hours, let alone outside of County, his early life, growing up etc. I honestly think he could fill the stalls at the Plaza(maybe about 700 or so seats). I know Jeff Stelling was there a few months ago, and sure Jim is more popular than him in Stockport.
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Post by jkb9b on Aug 7, 2024 17:35:55 GMT
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