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Post by stevie57 on Nov 16, 2020 8:59:48 GMT
wasm,t our original colours red and white when the club started up. like to think any red about was just due to this. When Heaton Norris Rovers was formed in 1883 the Heatons and Reddish were all part of Manchester, not Stockport; they were transferred in the early 20th century.
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Post by edinburghhatter on Nov 16, 2020 10:50:44 GMT
When Heaton Norris Rovers was formed in 1883 the Heatons and Reddish were all part of Manchester, not Stockport; they were transferred in the early 20th century. That's not actually 100% correct.
In the late 1950's I spent my first 3 years of school at Heaton Moor Infants School, before moving on to the almost-new Didsbury Road School which then (bursting at the seams!) catered only for Primary 4 to 7. Heaton Moor Infants was (possibly still is?) based in a large stone building on Thornfield Road, formerly the local council offices. That council was Heaton Norris Urban District Council, which was absorbed by Stockport in 1913.
A few years earlier, Stockport, which had grown desperately short of land, had expanded into several neighbouring areas including the whole of the Urban District of Reddish. Stockport gained Reddish's tax income and building land, and in return Reddish received several civic amenities.
This process of amalgamation and absorption was a probably inevitable rationalisation of the earlier arrangements... and not at all unusual during this period, especially in the more densely-populated urban areas of the UK.
Several other local councils were of course swallowed up much later (in 1974, at which point Stockport became a Metropolitan Borough, and reached its current geographical limits). These included Cheadle & Gatley, Hazel Grove & Bramhall, Bredbury & Romiley and Marple.
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Post by BWScarf on Nov 16, 2020 11:03:32 GMT
I really don’t like the red flecks, and why red anyway? Those of us who go back further will remember we had bits of yellow in the late 60’s/early 70’s, so red has no special claim at all. Was the yellow a reference to the three yellow wheatsheaves on the blue flag of Cheshire? Is the yellow on the steps around EP a throw-back to what I mentioned above? The kit as it is is distinctive - blue/blue/white; more white or all blue would make it less so. I saw a great little vlog by a Wrexham lad earlier this season (worth looking out when we play them); he rated every National League kit and put County first (including with the shade of blue). Leave well alone! The yellow on the steps is just a health and safety thing. It has no relevance to the club's identity. I'm not opposed to having some red in the kit. It shouldn't be predominantly red, but some is fine. Tend to agree with Stranded that a bit more white would be nice. It's on a case-by-case basis though. What works beautifully on one shirt looks terrible on another.
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Post by suedehead on Nov 16, 2020 11:39:05 GMT
I really don’t like the red flecks, and why red anyway? Those of us who go back further will remember we had bits of yellow in the late 60’s/early 70’s, so red has no special claim at all. Was the yellow a reference to the three yellow wheatsheaves on the blue flag of Cheshire? Is the yellow on the steps around EP a throw-back to what I mentioned above? The kit as it is is distinctive - blue/blue/white; more white or all blue would make it less so. I saw a great little vlog by a Wrexham lad earlier this season (worth looking out when we play them); he rated every National League kit and put County first (including with the shade of blue). Leave well alone! The yellow on the steps is just a health and safety thing. It has no relevance to the club's identity. I'm not opposed to having some red in the kit. It shouldn't be predominantly red, but some is fine. Tend to agree with Stranded that a bit more white would be nice. It's on a case-by-case basis though. What works beautifully on one shirt looks terrible on another. I used to say this as a wind up but it's true, all our best kits have had red on them. Every one of the late 80s/early 90s bangers featured red. We should embrace that instead of avoiding it because of a tiny cohort of fans don't like it. Would be keen to see us sing the old orange and yellow accents too.
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Post by bristolhatter on Nov 16, 2020 12:18:37 GMT
The yellow on the steps is just a health and safety thing. It has no relevance to the club's identity. I'm not opposed to having some red in the kit. It shouldn't be predominantly red, but some is fine. Tend to agree with Stranded that a bit more white would be nice. It's on a case-by-case basis though. What works beautifully on one shirt looks terrible on another. I used to say this as a wind up but it's true, all our best kits have had red on them. Every one of the late 80s/early 90s bangers featured red. We should embrace that instead of avoiding it because of a tiny cohort of fans don't like it. Would be keen to see us sing the old orange and yellow accents too. Agreed, the TFG kits from circa 2002-6 (before the white band was put on) were so bland and really not County. I often get a few remarks from friends that we seem to have had every colour in the rainbow and numerous crests so we don't really have an identity etc but I think blue will probably stay from now onwards. Ideally, I'd like to see predominantly blue with significant amounts of white. My favourite shirt was the Patrick one in 99/00 and think that was a good blend of blue and white, the 95/96 (white with thin blue stripes) was probably too white for my liking. I'd certainly want more colour than just the white band in the middle etc As an aside, I'd love a decent red county away shirt, maybe paying homage to our early days? If I need a red shirt for 5 a side, it has to be an England one and I'd like a County one if possible, think the last red shirt was the Gordon Ford one?
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Post by suedehead on Nov 16, 2020 12:28:25 GMT
I used to say this as a wind up but it's true, all our best kits have had red on them. Every one of the late 80s/early 90s bangers featured red. We should embrace that instead of avoiding it because of a tiny cohort of fans don't like it. Would be keen to see us sing the old orange and yellow accents too. Agreed, the TFG kits from circa 2002-6 (before the white band was put on) were so bland and really not County. I often get a few remarks from friends that we seem to have had every colour in the rainbow and numerous crests so we don't really have an identity etc but I think blue will probably stay from now onwards. Ideally, I'd like to see predominantly blue with significant amounts of white. My favourite shirt was the Patrick one in 99/00 and think that was a good blend of blue and white, the 95/96 (white with thin blue stripes) was probably too white for my liking. I'd certainly want more colour than just the white band in the middle etc As an aside, I'd love a decent red county away shirt, maybe paying homage to our early days? If I need a red shirt for 5 a side, it has to be an England one and I'd like a County one if possible, think the last red shirt was the Gordon Ford one? Yeah, last commercially available regular red away shirt was the Gordon Ford - we had the one off Goal shirt at Brighton since then, of course. The away Ribero Sovereign Rubber in 98-90 was also red, and we had a red E-NS away shirt and an Umbro one too, I think, all late 80s Agree with everything else you've said. I'd like us in white shorts too with blue socks, we only really became this colour blocked all blue shirts and blue shorts with the TFG kits and it's stuck around.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Nov 16, 2020 12:37:17 GMT
Agreed, the TFG kits from circa 2002-6 (before the white band was put on) were so bland and really not County. I often get a few remarks from friends that we seem to have had every colour in the rainbow and numerous crests so we don't really have an identity etc but I think blue will probably stay from now onwards. Ideally, I'd like to see predominantly blue with significant amounts of white. My favourite shirt was the Patrick one in 99/00 and think that was a good blend of blue and white, the 95/96 (white with thin blue stripes) was probably too white for my liking. I'd certainly want more colour than just the white band in the middle etc As an aside, I'd love a decent red county away shirt, maybe paying homage to our early days? If I need a red shirt for 5 a side, it has to be an England one and I'd like a County one if possible, think the last red shirt was the Gordon Ford one? Yeah, last commercially available regular red away shirt was the Gordon Ford - we had the one off Goal shirt at Brighton since then, of course. The away Ribero Sovereign Rubber in 98-90 was also red, and we had a red E-NS away shirt and an Umbro one too, I think, all late 80s Agree with everything else you've said. I'd like us in white shorts too with blue socks, we only really became this colour blocked all blue shirts and blue shorts with the TFG kits and it's stuck around. Yes! Blue shirts, white shorts, and blue socks with yellow or amber. That screams County to me more than blue shirts and blue shorts.
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Post by BWScarf on Nov 16, 2020 13:07:22 GMT
I used to say this as a wind up but it's true, all our best kits have had red on them. Every one of the late 80s/early 90s bangers featured red. We should embrace that instead of avoiding it because of a tiny cohort of fans don't like it. Would be keen to see us sing the old orange and yellow accents too. Agreed, the TFG kits from circa 2002-6 (before the white band was put on) were so bland and really not County. I often get a few remarks from friends that we seem to have had every colour in the rainbow and numerous crests so we don't really have an identity etc but I think blue will probably stay from now onwards. Ideally, I'd like to see predominantly blue with significant amounts of white. My favourite shirt was the Patrick one in 99/00 and think that was a good blend of blue and white, the 95/96 (white with thin blue stripes) was probably too white for my liking. I'd certainly want more colour than just the white band in the middle etc As an aside, I'd love a decent red county away shirt, maybe paying homage to our early days? If I need a red shirt for 5 a side, it has to be an England one and I'd like a County one if possible, think the last red shirt was the Gordon Ford one? I'd be very on board with a red and black away.
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Post by stevie57 on Nov 16, 2020 14:20:13 GMT
That's not actually 100% correct.
In the late 1950's I spent my first 3 years of school at Heaton Moor Infants School, before moving on to the almost-new Didsbury Road School which then (bursting at the seams!) catered only for Primary 4 to 7. Heaton Moor Infants was (possibly still is?) based in a large stone building on Thornfield Road, formerly the local council offices. That council was Heaton Norris Urban District Council, which was absorbed by Stockport in 1913.
A few years earlier, Stockport, which had grown desperately short of land, had expanded into several neighbouring areas including the whole of the Urban District of Reddish. Stockport gained Reddish's tax income and building land, and in return Reddish received several civic amenities.
This process of amalgamation and absorption was a probably inevitable rationalisation of the earlier arrangements... and not at all unusual during this period, especially in the more densely-populated urban areas of the UK.
Several other local councils were of course swallowed up much later (in 1974, at which point Stockport became a Metropolitan Borough, and reached its current geographical limits). These included Cheadle & Gatley, Hazel Grove & Bramhall, Bredbury & Romiley and Marple.
Still not sure how what I said was not correct; Heaton Norris was not part of Stockport when the club was formed - it was part of Manchester; only when it crossed the river and moved to EP did it become a Stockport club. This move happened I always thought, before the incorporation of the Heatons and Reddish into Stockport, and when they were annexed, the Cheshire county boundary was moved North to keep the whole town a county borough.
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Post by stevie57 on Nov 16, 2020 14:23:21 GMT
I really don’t like the red flecks, and why red anyway? Those of us who go back further will remember we had bits of yellow in the late 60’s/early 70’s, so red has no special claim at all. Was the yellow a reference to the three yellow wheatsheaves on the blue flag of Cheshire? Is the yellow on the steps around EP a throw-back to what I mentioned above? The kit as it is is distinctive - blue/blue/white; more white or all blue would make it less so. I saw a great little vlog by a Wrexham lad earlier this season (worth looking out when we play them); he rated every National League kit and put County first (including with the shade of blue). Leave well alone! The yellow on the steps is just a health and safety thing. It has no relevance to the club's identity. I'm not opposed to having some red in the kit. It shouldn't be predominantly red, but some is fine. Tend to agree with Stranded that a bit more white would be nice. It's on a case-by-case basis though. What works beautifully on one shirt looks terrible on another. I wondered about the health and safety point, but noticed that on one or two clubs I checked that was not the case, Old Trafford being one such example.
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Post by suedehead on Nov 16, 2020 14:31:57 GMT
The yellow on the steps is just a health and safety thing. It has no relevance to the club's identity. I'm not opposed to having some red in the kit. It shouldn't be predominantly red, but some is fine. Tend to agree with Stranded that a bit more white would be nice. It's on a case-by-case basis though. What works beautifully on one shirt looks terrible on another. I wondered about the health and safety point, but noticed that on one or two clubs I checked that was not the case, Old Trafford being one such example. I think BW is saying that clubs aren't required to have yellow markings on steps for H&S reasons but we use the yellow for H&S reasons, rather than any aesthetic reasons.
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Post by Durango95 on Nov 16, 2020 15:07:46 GMT
Totally agree there should be more white on the shirts. Collar/trim etc and white shorts. Hopefully we'll get back to the proper blue and the right balance when we can make custom/exclusive kits again.
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Post by Imposter on Nov 16, 2020 15:35:50 GMT
That's not actually 100% correct.
In the late 1950's I spent my first 3 years of school at Heaton Moor Infants School, before moving on to the almost-new Didsbury Road School which then (bursting at the seams!) catered only for Primary 4 to 7. Heaton Moor Infants was (possibly still is?) based in a large stone building on Thornfield Road, formerly the local council offices. That council was Heaton Norris Urban District Council, which was absorbed by Stockport in 1913.
A few years earlier, Stockport, which had grown desperately short of land, had expanded into several neighbouring areas including the whole of the Urban District of Reddish. Stockport gained Reddish's tax income and building land, and in return Reddish received several civic amenities.
This process of amalgamation and absorption was a probably inevitable rationalisation of the earlier arrangements... and not at all unusual during this period, especially in the more densely-populated urban areas of the UK.
Several other local councils were of course swallowed up much later (in 1974, at which point Stockport became a Metropolitan Borough, and reached its current geographical limits). These included Cheadle & Gatley, Hazel Grove & Bramhall, Bredbury & Romiley and Marple.
Still not sure how what I said was not correct; Heaton Norris was not part of Stockport when the club was formed - it was part of Manchester; only when it crossed the river and moved to EP did it become a Stockport club. This move happened I always thought, before the incorporation of the Heatons and Reddish into Stockport, and when they were annexed, the Cheshire county boundary was moved North to keep the whole town a county borough. It wasn't part of Manchester. It was part of Lancashire but independent of Manchester. At a similar time Manchester extended into Didsbury and had it's eye on the Heatons, but they went with Stockport. Besides which it's pretty pedantic and parochial that a club founded at a meeting in a cafe in Mersey Square wasn't a Stockport club for the first 19 years of it's existence (not even when adopting the town's name after 7 years of existence).
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Post by kennypowers on Nov 16, 2020 15:53:31 GMT
Going off all of the branding and design that’s come out of the club since the takeover, I think out colours will predominantly be a moody blue and white. Although there are flashes of yellow/gold on the website, so maybe that could be incorporated at some point. I’d love to see us in proper county blue shirts, white shorts with gold or amber socks
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Nov 16, 2020 15:54:52 GMT
Agreed, the TFG kits from circa 2002-6 (before the white band was put on) were so bland and really not County. I often get a few remarks from friends that we seem to have had every colour in the rainbow and numerous crests so we don't really have an identity etc but I think blue will probably stay from now onwards. Ideally, I'd like to see predominantly blue with significant amounts of white. My favourite shirt was the Patrick one in 99/00 and think that was a good blend of blue and white, the 95/96 (white with thin blue stripes) was probably too white for my liking. I'd certainly want more colour than just the white band in the middle etc As an aside, I'd love a decent red county away shirt, maybe paying homage to our early days? If I need a red shirt for 5 a side, it has to be an England one and I'd like a County one if possible, think the last red shirt was the Gordon Ford one? I'd be very on board with a red and black away. Red and black away could be great. I’ve got the old Sandringham sponsored striped one and it’s one of my favourites.
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