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Post by CB1883 on Jun 1, 2020 8:18:42 GMT
But you know full well it isn't about people having their say, it's how they have their say. After a quick scan down the front page, here are a couple of examples. Firstly, a reaction from yourself: members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/msg/1589822558.htmlYou can say your bit without resorting to childish and, frankly, mard reactions. And here is the shining example of mard reactions: members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/msg/1589750517.htmlThose are two of many, many examples of people majorly seeing their arse over it. I'm afraid that those who strongly oppose this board move are on very thin ice when highlighting things you don't think help matters. You can say " I'm not saying those calling admin Nazis were right" but these people are the ones who support your viewpoint of this board and the trial. It wasn't just via email either, as there were littered references on the old board and also the first post of this thread where people were calling them Nazis and fascists which is f*cking embarrassing. I think it's safe to say that of the two opposing sides of this argument, one has clearly overstepped the mark. Interesting viewpoint. I would say both sides are guilty of this. Sure, it’s more obvious when you’re talking about the language you’ve outlined above, but I’ve seen plenty instances of language like ‘pathetic’, ‘embarrassing’, ‘mardarse’ etc from the new board’ brigade instead of actually trying to understand why people feel as they do. I’ve used the analogy of moving to a new stadium before, and I’ll do so again. It has better features, but it doesn’t ‘feel’ the same. It’s a cultural thing. Roman pretty dismissively outlined some of the things on the old board, like MASSIVE etc - well, these have becomes cultural things that bind us together, in the same way that talking about goals or games do. The little things like that are what form a common. Identity, what make a community. That takes several years - maybe this place will acquire it one day, but it doesn’t have it yet in mi view. I also miss lots of the posters, who I haven’t seen on here. People like Caz, Mick, Phil, DB are people who are absolutely Instrumental in why I support County (along with several in here - Stranded, Imposter etc). When I joined MMMB, I didn’t really know anyone at County - I had one mate from school (who isn’t on the board) and that’s it. I’ve met several of my closest friends for life through that board. Especially as an exile who doesn’t see everyone so often anymore, that’s why it means a lot to me. A community without them in isn’t worth it to me, and I hate the way several posters on here have just dismissed them - not only are these long-time posters, but these are people who have given up thousands of hours volunteering, organising away trips, putting on band nights, working for the Co-Op etc. That’s worth something, in my view. In my life, everything has changed over the years (not a bad thing). MMMB is the one constant - like Ken Boxall at County. It’s only a bit of code on the Internet, sure, just like EP is only a field and some bricks. But it’s my internet ‘home’ in a way that this site just isn’t, and I suspect there are several people who feel forcibly evicted from their home, which is why you’re getting all of the anger. In the data-driven world we all live in now, it’s easy to underestimate the power of feelings. But feelings are what make communities, feelings are why we suppler County (pure logic would have us support a Prem team, as statistically they win more often) and feelings are what make us take actions in every part of our lives. I don’t dislike this board, but in the past 2 weeks I’ve really been missing ‘home’ (I’ve even been dreaming about it!). My ‘home’ might be old fashioned and lacking in mod cons, but it has a super comfy armchair with my name on it, and my mates will be there (actually especially important in these days or social distancing). Nice though this board is, this Hobbit can’t wait to go ‘home’. I’d say moving stadium is possibly too extreme for most. I appreciate some have been there since the early days and it possibly holds sentimental value and/or has been a big part of their County experience over the years but this place could be identical to that only with a new look. Someone else hit the nail on the head in a previous thread by saying it’s the posters that make MMB what it is, not the outdated layout. Going back to analogies I’d liken in to a veteran striker. Back in the day he was firing them in, bombing it back and forth to win the ball, picking up assists. Now he’s got a bald spot, his legs don’t work anymore, he can’t cross and it’s time to bring in a new striker that does all of that and more.
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Post by The Real Exile on Jun 1, 2020 8:19:21 GMT
(Reply to Scarf)I get that but what do we do when it dies or Boardhost only support their forum software? Whatever we try will not be good enough for some. I'd say a permanent invasion of the Texas trumpet polishers board but that's boardhost too! Still months later no response to a number of queries and nothing back from them when they had informed us of a copyright complaint usual generic remove it or we will delete you, no reply to our response as yet.
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Post by scarf on Jun 1, 2020 8:28:51 GMT
Going back to analogies I’d liken in to a veteran striker. Back in the day he was firing them in, bombing it back and forth to win the ball, picking up assists. Now he’s got a bald spot, his legs don’t work anymore, he can’t cross and it’s time to bring in a new striker that does all of that and more. Well, firstly, there's nothing about MMMB that doesn't work (apart from Boardhost's Customer Service dept!) - it's just that this has extra bells & whistles. None of the functions of MMMB were explicitly broken when the board was suspended. As for 'outdated', that's a pejorative term - others might prefer to use a term like 'classic'. 'Too extreme'? For you perhaps. For me...well, I visit EP a few times a season. I visit MMMB / this board every single day - I know which one has a bigger impact on my life? And, finally, about the posters, sure, but if you can't see the posters because they're not posting in the same thread as you, they might as well not be there. I feel like I've been a good sport, I gave this a try as TRE and Suedehead asked me to, I've tried to get involved in some of the conversations. It's been an interesting experiment, and I think it was a good idea to try it out. After 2 weeks, though, I'm more than ready to go 'home' and am starting to feel a little impatient as to why I'm not allowed to do so - a bit like a holiday (remember those?!) where you're all packed up to go home and then your flight gets delayed by a day and you're stuck in the airport!
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Post by scarf on Jun 1, 2020 8:36:52 GMT
(Reply to Scarf)I get that but what do we do when it dies or Boardhost only support their forum software? Whatever we try will not be good enough for some. I'd say a permanent invasion of the Texas trumpet polishers board but that's boardhost too! Still months later no response to a number of queries and nothing back from them when they had informed us of a copyright complaint usual generic remove it or we will delete you, no reply to our response as yet. Yeah - as I said a minute ago, you were right to have the trial, and I'm glad we did it. If MMMB dies / Boardhost shut it down (or force us to upgrade to their new design, which is appalling - I remember seeing it when I was an admin back in the day!) then we should definitely move over here, as MMMB obviously wouldn't be an option. However, I've seen no evidence at all that Boardhost are shutting down MMMB (unless you've actually had a notice informing you of that?) so, at the moment, we don't have to cross that bridge. This is a good alternative, but it's still not 'the real thing' and, since The Real Thing is still there, I'd very much like to use it.
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Post by The Real Exile on Jun 1, 2020 8:40:12 GMT
Nope other that the copyright moan and it does worry me I had no response almost makes me think it was an automated mail from a bot rather than a person and not to worry, the attempt to get the board 're opened by going to Boardhost is another worry, I don't believe they responded as yet but...I wouldn't put it past them to lock us out! We shall see I guess!
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Post by scarf on Jun 1, 2020 8:43:41 GMT
the attempt to get the board 're opened by going to Boardhost is another worry, I don't believe they responded as yet but...I wouldn't put it past them to lock us out! We shall see I guess! Yeah - that was a bit much. How come you're wanting to wait another week to open MMMB though? I feel like everyone who wants to has tried this board at this point (and can continue to do so - it's not closing), so why not re-open tomorrow (etc)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 8:56:59 GMT
(Reply to Scarf)I get that but what do we do when it dies or Boardhost only support their forum software? Whatever we try will not be good enough for some. I'd say a permanent invasion of the Texas trumpet polishers board but that's boardhost too! Still months later no response to a number of queries and nothing back from them when they had informed us of a copyright complaint usual generic remove it or we will delete you, no reply to our response as yet. TRE- Boardhost appear to be extremly incompetent and you have repeatedly warned they could close at anytime. You and suedehead own both the old and this site and you have keep active for some 7 years so irrelevent of what Boardhost does this site will Im assuming be open. If and or when Boardhost dies then all this sad discussion and in effect "civil war" will end and everybody will have to move over to here, not post at all, or join any other boards or sites that may exist. Boardhost is not currently dead and there is still the option for people to go there once guys have as you have promised re-open soon. So my response to your question to Scarf if you choose to read it is very simple . Keep both sites active and allow people the choice of which board they wish to use be that this one the old one or both until if and or when Boardhost close down.If you are unhappy to continue to be involved with Boardhost then scb has confirmed he would like to take the ownership of the old site off your hands.
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Post by The Real Exile on Jun 1, 2020 9:03:37 GMT
It isn't about us not wanting to deal with Boardhost it is thier refusal to engage that is a little worrying - it's almost like they have no staff and the whole thing is automated!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 9:26:54 GMT
It isn't about us not wanting to deal with Boardhost it is thier refusal to engage that is a little worrying - it's almost like they have no staff and the whole thing is automated! I understand fully, you want to talk with them and they ignore you and everybody else, sadly thats how it is with automated services are in 2020. Still, wouldnt you agree that metaphorically waiting for a natural death is preferable to forced euthanasia Contacting a company so distant in the USA cant be easy especially if they are run by 2 people and a dog in the back streets of Iowa Boardhost.com, Inc., PO Box 3286, Dubuque, IA 52004 Interesting comment from the web site Long before there even was a YouTube or Facebook, we were already giving away free message boards. We'll be here for you in the future as well. Instantly create a Boardhost forum that allows you unlimited categories, postings, users, and even pageviews, or create a classic Boardhost message board, loved by our customers for its ease of use. Over the years we have become known for our service's speed and reliability. Our service is easy enough for beginners, yet contains high powered tools that advanced users crave.
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Post by Imposter on Jun 1, 2020 9:33:24 GMT
It isn't about us not wanting to deal with Boardhost it is thier refusal to engage that is a little worrying - it's almost like they have no staff and the whole thing is automated! I understand fully, you want to talk with them and they ignore you and everybody else, sadly thats how it is with automated services are in 2020. Still, wouldnt you agree that metaphorically waiting for a natural death is preferable to forced euthanasia Contacting a company so distant in the USA cant be easy especially if they are run by 2 people and a dog in the back streets of Iowa Boardhost.com, Inc., PO Box 3286, Dubuque, IA 52004 Interesting comment from the web site Long before there even was a YouTube or Facebook, we were already giving away free message boards. We'll be here for you in the future as well. Instantly create a Boardhost forum that allows you unlimited categories, postings, users, and even pageviews, or create a classic Boardhost message board, loved by our customers for its ease of use. Over the years we have become known for our service's speed and reliability. Our service is easy enough for beginners, yet contains high powered tools that advanced users crave. Given the age of YouTube and Facebook that comment in italics could have been written 10, 12, or more years ago. And a lot can change in 10 or 12 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 9:43:00 GMT
I understand fully, you want to talk with them and they ignore you and everybody else, sadly thats how it is with automated services are in 2020. Still, wouldnt you agree that metaphorically waiting for a natural death is preferable to forced euthanasia Contacting a company so distant in the USA cant be easy especially if they are run by 2 people and a dog in the back streets of Iowa Boardhost.com, Inc., PO Box 3286, Dubuque, IA 52004 Interesting comment from the web site Long before there even was a YouTube or Facebook, we were already giving away free message boards. We'll be here for you in the future as well. Instantly create a Boardhost forum that allows you unlimited categories, postings, users, and even pageviews, or create a classic Boardhost message board, loved by our customers for its ease of use. Over the years we have become known for our service's speed and reliability. Our service is easy enough for beginners, yet contains high powered tools that advanced users crave. Given the age of YouTube and Facebook that comment in italics could have been written 10, 12, or more years ago. And a lot can change in 10 or 12 years. Yes it could have been written many years ago equally it could have been written in 2020, who knows the facts , we can only guess cant we? And indeed a lot changes,even in days never mind years, can occur but importantly they are still operating and until they stop I dont see why the other site shouldnt stay open even if its just a home for the bewildered technology donosaurs like me. Obviously the dynamic technology savvy amongst us can simply stay on this board if they choose . Freedom of choice is a good thing dont you agree Imposter
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 9:56:45 GMT
the attempt to get the board 're opened by going to Boardhost is another worry, I don't believe they responded as yet but...I wouldn't put it past them to lock us out! We shall see I guess! Yeah - that was a bit much. How come you're wanting to wait another week to open MMMB though? I feel like everyone who wants to has tried this board at this point (and can continue to do so - it's not closing), so why not re-open tomorrow (etc)? TRE, you replied to scarfs post but I dont think you answered his question fully, do you have a reply , although many probably dont care but equally many would be interested to see it. My sincere apologies if you did reply and I havent seen it Scarf asked you -
How come you're wanting to wait another week to open MMMB though? I feel like everyone who wants to has tried this board at this point (and can continue to do so - it's not closing), so why not re-open tomorrow (etc)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 10:06:24 GMT
I asked the same question a while back, the answer as I recall was" we are not going back early and its not open for debate" or similar?
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Post by suedehead on Jun 1, 2020 10:08:37 GMT
Yeah - that was a bit much. How come you're wanting to wait another week to open MMMB though? I feel like everyone who wants to has tried this board at this point (and can continue to do so - it's not closing), so why not re-open tomorrow (etc)? TRE, you replied to scarfs post but I dont think you answered his question fully, do you have a reply , although many probably dont care but equally many would be interested to see it. My sincere apologies if you did reply and I havent seen it Scarf asked you -
How come you're wanting to wait another week to open MMMB though? I feel like everyone who wants to has tried this board at this point (and can continue to do so - it's not closing), so why not re-open tomorrow (etc)?It might not be another week. We said 2-3 weeks at the outset. Next Tuesday is the absolute latest.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 1, 2020 10:09:34 GMT
I asked the same question a while back, the answer as I recall was" we are not going back early and its not open for debate" or similar? You need to stop making these quotes up. Neither of us have said anything of the sort. And we're both very much looking to your apology when Marions reopens.
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