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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 6, 2024 17:01:12 GMT
That part is what I don't get; what's the end game? Say they successfully set the hotel on fire and people inside need rescuing; do they just not try and help? Say those people are seriously injured or die inside; is that the end of the riots when people realise that it's gone too far? Does anyone try to justify that level of violence? I don't think the people rioting and setting things on fire know how far they're willing to take it. This is what I don't understand, and I think a lot of them don't understand either. A lot of them are being whipped up in to a hysteria of some sort, that I don't think they understand or seriously believe in. Going out with mates to watch and then suddenly they're nicking trays of uncooked sausages rolls from Greggs, or Crocs copies from Shoezone and are now looking at 5 years inside. Madness. Some of them are just racists and found a bit of self belief in themselves that they are right about what they think because a load of other people 'just like me' are out on the streets too, and in some cases are enjoying the feeling of vindication, like the older woman banging on about the Titanic sinking because it was full (nowt to do with the fecking massive iceberg ...) but there're those who are seeing it as an opportunity to get stuck in, like that Leanne woman in Sunderland. Chucking bins about and giving the 'Come on then!', no doubt fuelled by a line of coke. There'll be those that are proper far right, EDL/BNP/any other group members who probably see it as a new dawn, egged on by their idols, like SY-L in utter ignorance that they won't be stood behind them in the gallery when they're in the witness box. It's madness that lives are being ruined because of it, but if you play silly games, you win silly prizes. Let’s not forget that a lot of this is driven by social media and we know there are some very nasty national actors involved - Puton’s boot boys.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 6, 2024 17:06:41 GMT
This is what I don't understand, and I think a lot of them don't understand either. A lot of them are being whipped up in to a hysteria of some sort, that I don't think they understand or seriously believe in. Going out with mates to watch and then suddenly they're nicking trays of uncooked sausages rolls from Greggs, or Crocs copies from Shoezone and are now looking at 5 years inside. Madness. Some of them are just racists and found a bit of self belief in themselves that they are right about what they think because a load of other people 'just like me' are out on the streets too, and in some cases are enjoying the feeling of vindication, like the older woman banging on about the Titanic sinking because it was full (nowt to do with the fecking massive iceberg ...) but there're those who are seeing it as an opportunity to get stuck in, like that Leanne woman in Sunderland. Chucking bins about and giving the 'Come on then!', no doubt fuelled by a line of coke. There'll be those that are proper far right, EDL/BNP/any other group members who probably see it as a new dawn, egged on by their idols, like SY-L in utter ignorance that they won't be stood behind them in the gallery when they're in the witness box. It's madness that lives are being ruined because of it, but if you play silly games, you win silly prizes. Let’s not forget that a lot of this is driven by social media and we know there are some very nasty national actors involved - Puton’s boot boys. Indeed, but sadly they can't see past it. I'm sure that some of these people with a little more education and exposure to a different world view would be different people.
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 6, 2024 17:11:28 GMT
The speed at which disinformation was spread after the Southport stabbings and how widespread it became says to me there were savvy nasties shit stirring - the irony is not little that they aren’t from this country and stirring the racist patriot pot.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 6, 2024 17:12:02 GMT
The speed at which disinformation was spread after the Southport stabbings and how widespread it became says to me there were savvy nasties shit stirring - the irony is not little that they aren’t from this country and stirring the racist patriot pot. "Useful idiots"
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Post by Philcounty on Aug 6, 2024 17:33:08 GMT
Nigel Farage distancing himself from Stephen Yaxley-Lennon and Andrew Tate today. That will divide a few of his followers.
Also, he really doesn't like the fact that people are referring to them as the Farage Riots.
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Post by nelly on Aug 6, 2024 18:13:50 GMT
He's gone for the full set there. Just exercising that white privilege🙃 Sad.
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Post by Fez on Aug 6, 2024 18:16:43 GMT
A quick diversion from the topic at hand: Kamala Harris has picked Tim Walz (Governor of Minnesota) as VP running mate for the US election. A good choice, imo, amongst a solid shortlist. An affable, down to earth, progressive with centrist appeal, who’s a deft messenger.
From ‘Politico’: “… a former high school teacher, a football coach and a veteran who flipped a Republican-leaning district in 2006 — which [Harris] believes will play well in all three of the Blue Wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, including his win as a House member in a Republican district.”
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 6, 2024 18:33:36 GMT
A quick diversion from the topic at hand: Kamala Harris has picked Tim Walz (Governor of Minnesota) as VP running mate for the US election. A good choice, imo, amongst a solid shortlist. An affable, down to earth, progressive with centrist appeal, who’s a deft messenger. From ‘Politico’: “… a former high school teacher, a football coach and a veteran who flipped a Republican-leaning district in 2006 — which [Harris] believes will play well in all three of the Blue Wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, including his win as a House member in a Republican district.” Regularly goes onto Fox News and tears them a new one. Seems a great guy from the stuff I've been watching and reading.
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Post by Fez on Aug 6, 2024 18:35:46 GMT
A quick diversion from the topic at hand: Kamala Harris has picked Tim Walz (Governor of Minnesota) as VP running mate for the US election. A good choice, imo, amongst a solid shortlist. An affable, down to earth, progressive with centrist appeal, who’s a deft messenger. From ‘Politico’: “… a former high school teacher, a football coach and a veteran who flipped a Republican-leaning district in 2006 — which [Harris] believes will play well in all three of the Blue Wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, including his win as a House member in a Republican district.” Regularly goes onto Fox News and tears them a new one. Seems a great guy from the stuff I've been watching and reading. This sort of energy in the White House would be great:
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 6, 2024 19:12:34 GMT
Trying to set a building on fire with people inside it should be domestic terrorism and a life sentence in my humble opinion. I don't see that as any different to trying and failing to bomb the building. That part is what I don't get; what's the end game? Say they successfully set the hotel on fire and people inside need rescuing; do they just not try and help? Say those people are seriously injured or die inside; is that the end of the riots when people realise that it's gone too far? Does anyone try to justify that level of violence? I don't think the people rioting and setting things on fire know how far they're willing to take it. I dare say the ones who set the fire will have done so then immediately melted into the crowd and made a quick getaway, knowing full well the consequences of their actions
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 6, 2024 19:15:39 GMT
A quick diversion from the topic at hand: Kamala Harris has picked Tim Walz (Governor of Minnesota) as VP running mate for the US election. A good choice, imo, amongst a solid shortlist. An affable, down to earth, progressive with centrist appeal, who’s a deft messenger. From ‘Politico’: “… a former high school teacher, a football coach and a veteran who flipped a Republican-leaning district in 2006 — which [Harris] believes will play well in all three of the Blue Wall states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, including his win as a House member in a Republican district.” Regularly goes onto Fox News and tears them a new one. Seems a great guy from the stuff I've been watching and reading. You have some contacts in the States - what are they reckoning - Trump toast? Or the end of democracy?
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 6, 2024 19:44:35 GMT
Regularly goes onto Fox News and tears them a new one. Seems a great guy from the stuff I've been watching and reading. You have some contacts in the States - what are they reckoning - Trump toast? Or the end of democracy? Yesterday. From Arizona. Was warning me that Britain needed to learn not to rely on the USA anymore until Biden (who he really likes) retired. Very grounded and very 'glass half empty' in terms of his faith in his own countrypeople... "I think she's going to win. trump has gained little or no support. The left is sooooo happy to have a sane, articulate younger person running that it seems almost Obama like excitement." One of the guys I follow (Meidas Touch) regularly posts updates on polling. Looks like the one which always goes Trump even in the most extreme circumstances, and was still polling in favour of Trump even though no-one else in the US was, has now finally seen the direction of the wind and is now polling in favour of Harris. Amazing. And Trump's just getting more desperate. Really REALLY infantile
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 6, 2024 19:48:11 GMT
You have some contacts in the States - what are they reckoning - Trump toast? Or the end of democracy? Yesterday. From Arizona. Was warning me that Britain needed to learn not to rely on the USA anymore until Biden (who he really likes) retired. Very grounded and very 'glass half empty' in terms of his faith in his own countrypeople... "I think she's going to win. trump has gained little or no support. The left is sooooo happy to have a sane, articulate younger person running that it seems almost Obama like excitement." Thanks for sharing. From afar, that is the kind of vibe I was getting. Harris’s running mate is right about Trump though, you never see him laughing (with as opposed to at). He is one miserable orange fkr. Harris seems the perfect antidote.
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Post by Fez on Aug 6, 2024 22:08:05 GMT
Yesterday. From Arizona. Was warning me that Britain needed to learn not to rely on the USA anymore until Biden (who he really likes) retired. Very grounded and very 'glass half empty' in terms of his faith in his own countrypeople... "I think she's going to win. trump has gained little or no support. The left is sooooo happy to have a sane, articulate younger person running that it seems almost Obama like excitement." Thanks for sharing. From afar, that is the kind of vibe I was getting. Harris’s running mate is right about Trump though, you never see him laughing (with as opposed to at). He is one miserable orange fkr. Harris seems the perfect antidote. Republicans have been busy attacking Harris for laughing too much. Desperate stuff. “What would other NATO and UN leaders think of somebody laughing like that?”, they ask. Well, I reckon they’d rather enjoy it, especially compared with the humourless, grumpy, rude and weird despot they might otherwise get lumbered with.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 6, 2024 23:19:36 GMT
Regularly goes onto Fox News and tears them a new one. Seems a great guy from the stuff I've been watching and reading. This sort of energy in the White House would be great: He seems good value, might be worth watching highlights of any VP debates of him vs Vance
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