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Post by Bilby on Aug 6, 2024 13:33:53 GMT
Don't post links from that rag. But sir there wasn't a link in today's Morning Star
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Post by Bilby on Aug 6, 2024 13:35:15 GMT
Only seen the first part due to constant buffering but so far Fine upstanding family who respect the Police Victims of misinformation from sources linked to police and online bullying Victims of unreasonable aggressive policing similar to as seen overnight in other cities
AIR
Will do a proper summary in the morning
Why would any of that be for my info? You asked me for a summary did you not?
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Post by Nik on Aug 6, 2024 14:09:44 GMT
Why would any of that be for my info? You asked me for a summary did you not? I asked you for a summary after you initially linked the video with the note 'for your info'. What part of it was for my info at that point?
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Post by David Schofield on Aug 6, 2024 14:23:04 GMT
On many levels I understand looting, capitalism is responsible as much as anything else, if you live hand to mouth you can’t be told “this thing you don’t have, and will make your life as good as mine” 2,000 times a day without feeling shit and when the opportunity presents itself if I has to be tempting
Not condoning it, just saying I understand it is more complex
Rioting is also very tempting, especially when there is f*ck all else to do in some of these provincial towns
Again, not condoning it…
Terrorism works, I don’t ever want to see people being targeted but f*ck it, if blowing a building/bridge up gets the attention of bad actors in power then off you go
But…
Hating someone for the colour of their skin or for their political or religious views; demonising people with nothing, people with far far less opportunity, people with far fewer freedoms…
That I will never understand
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Post by ricky on Aug 6, 2024 15:48:34 GMT
On many levels I understand looting, capitalism is responsible as much as anything else, if you live hand to mouth you can’t be told “this thing you don’t have, and will make your life as good as mine” 2,000 times a day without feeling shit and when the opportunity presents itself if I has to be tempting Not condoning it, just saying I understand it is more complex Rioting is also very tempting, especially when there is f*ck all else to do in some of these provincial towns Again, not condoning it… Terrorism works, I don’t ever want to see people being targeted but f*ck it, if blowing a building/bridge up gets the attention of bad actors in power then off you go But… Hating someone for the colour of their skin or for their political or religious views; demonising people with nothing, people with far far less opportunity, people with far fewer freedoms… That I will never understand But then there are those who are well off joining in the hate. My Mum’s neighbour lives in a nice house in C Hulme, late 60s, ex DJ, very nice guy in many ways, I have a feeling you know him, constantly and then obsessively posting anti Muslim stuff, pro Brexit, anti vax, anti boats, pro Trump, global warming is a con, posted the link to the fake name for Southport murderer, posted call to arms for rally in Mcr. So where do these people fit in? There isn’t a ‘foreigner’ near him, he seems to have a lovely life.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 6, 2024 15:58:42 GMT
On many levels I understand looting, capitalism is responsible as much as anything else, if you live hand to mouth you can’t be told “this thing you don’t have, and will make your life as good as mine” 2,000 times a day without feeling shit and when the opportunity presents itself if I has to be tempting Not condoning it, just saying I understand it is more complex Rioting is also very tempting, especially when there is f*ck all else to do in some of these provincial towns Again, not condoning it… Terrorism works, I don’t ever want to see people being targeted but f*ck it, if blowing a building/bridge up gets the attention of bad actors in power then off you go But… Hating someone for the colour of their skin or for their political or religious views; demonising people with nothing, people with far far less opportunity, people with far fewer freedoms… That I will never understand But then there are those who are well off joining in the hate. My Mum’s neighbour lives in a nice house in C Hulme, late 60s, ex DJ, very nice guy in many ways, I have a feeling you know him, constantly and then obsessively posting anti Muslim stuff, pro Brexit, anti vax, anti boats, pro Trump, global warming is a con, posted the link to the fake name for Southport murderer, posted call to arms for rally in Mcr. So where do these people fit in? There isn’t a ‘foreigner’ near him, he seems to have a lovely life. Is it TVOR ?
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Post by ricky on Aug 6, 2024 16:01:01 GMT
But then there are those who are well off joining in the hate. My Mum’s neighbour lives in a nice house in C Hulme, late 60s, ex DJ, very nice guy in many ways, I have a feeling you know him, constantly and then obsessively posting anti Muslim stuff, pro Brexit, anti vax, anti boats, pro Trump, global warming is a con, posted the link to the fake name for Southport murderer, posted call to arms for rally in Mcr. So where do these people fit in? There isn’t a ‘foreigner’ near him, he seems to have a lovely life. Is it TVOR ? 😂 I don’t think so!
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 6, 2024 16:07:17 GMT
On many levels I understand looting, capitalism is responsible as much as anything else, if you live hand to mouth you can’t be told “this thing you don’t have, and will make your life as good as mine” 2,000 times a day without feeling shit and when the opportunity presents itself if I has to be tempting Not condoning it, just saying I understand it is more complex Rioting is also very tempting, especially when there is f*ck all else to do in some of these provincial towns Again, not condoning it… Terrorism works, I don’t ever want to see people being targeted but f*ck it, if blowing a building/bridge up gets the attention of bad actors in power then off you go But… Hating someone for the colour of their skin or for their political or religious views; demonising people with nothing, people with far far less opportunity, people with far fewer freedoms… That I will never understand Interesting that you mention terrorism. There are some in the legal and policing world that are suggesting some of the acts committed fall under the definition of terrorism and should be tried as such.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 6, 2024 16:22:18 GMT
On many levels I understand looting, capitalism is responsible as much as anything else, if you live hand to mouth you can’t be told “this thing you don’t have, and will make your life as good as mine” 2,000 times a day without feeling shit and when the opportunity presents itself if I has to be tempting Not condoning it, just saying I understand it is more complex Rioting is also very tempting, especially when there is f*ck all else to do in some of these provincial towns Again, not condoning it… Terrorism works, I don’t ever want to see people being targeted but f*ck it, if blowing a building/bridge up gets the attention of bad actors in power then off you go But… Hating someone for the colour of their skin or for their political or religious views; demonising people with nothing, people with far far less opportunity, people with far fewer freedoms… That I will never understand Interesting that you mention terrorism. There are some in the legal and policing world that are suggesting some of the acts committed fall under the definition of terrorism and should be tried as such. Trying to set a building on fire with people inside it should be domestic terrorism and a life sentence in my humble opinion. I don't see that as any different to trying and failing to bomb the building.
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Post by David Schofield on Aug 6, 2024 16:25:09 GMT
Interesting that you mention terrorism. There are some in the legal and policing world that are suggesting some of the acts committed fall under the definition of terrorism and should be tried as such. Trying to set a building on fire with people inside it should be domestic terrorism and a life sentence in my humble opinion. I don't see that as any different to trying and failing to bomb the building. 100%
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Post by vicar on Aug 6, 2024 16:26:02 GMT
On many levels I understand looting, capitalism is responsible as much as anything else, if you live hand to mouth you can’t be told “this thing you don’t have, and will make your life as good as mine” 2,000 times a day without feeling shit and when the opportunity presents itself if I has to be tempting Not condoning it, just saying I understand it is more complex Rioting is also very tempting, especially when there is f*ck all else to do in some of these provincial towns Again, not condoning it… Terrorism works, I don’t ever want to see people being targeted but f*ck it, if blowing a building/bridge up gets the attention of bad actors in power then off you go But… Hating someone for the colour of their skin or for their political or religious views; demonising people with nothing, people with far far less opportunity, people with far fewer freedoms… That I will never understand But then there are those who are well off joining in the hate. My Mum’s neighbour lives in a nice house in C Hulme, late 60s, ex DJ, very nice guy in many ways, I have a feeling you know him, constantly and then obsessively posting anti Muslim stuff, pro Brexit, anti vax, anti boats, pro Trump, global warming is a con, posted the link to the fake name for Southport murderer, posted call to arms for rally in Mcr. So where do these people fit in? There isn’t a ‘foreigner’ near him, he seems to have a lovely life. He's gone for the full set there.
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Post by David Schofield on Aug 6, 2024 16:27:27 GMT
But then there are those who are well off joining in the hate. My Mum’s neighbour lives in a nice house in C Hulme, late 60s, ex DJ, very nice guy in many ways, I have a feeling you know him, constantly and then obsessively posting anti Muslim stuff, pro Brexit, anti vax, anti boats, pro Trump, global warming is a con, posted the link to the fake name for Southport murderer, posted call to arms for rally in Mcr. So where do these people fit in? There isn’t a ‘foreigner’ near him, he seems to have a lovely life. He's gone for the full set there. Just exercising that white privilege🙃
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Post by Nik on Aug 6, 2024 16:30:28 GMT
Interesting that you mention terrorism. There are some in the legal and policing world that are suggesting some of the acts committed fall under the definition of terrorism and should be tried as such. Trying to set a building on fire with people inside it should be domestic terrorism and a life sentence in my humble opinion. I don't see that as any different to trying and failing to bomb the building. That part is what I don't get; what's the end game? Say they successfully set the hotel on fire and people inside need rescuing; do they just not try and help? Say those people are seriously injured or die inside; is that the end of the riots when people realise that it's gone too far? Does anyone try to justify that level of violence? I don't think the people rioting and setting things on fire know how far they're willing to take it.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 6, 2024 16:32:35 GMT
Interesting that you mention terrorism. There are some in the legal and policing world that are suggesting some of the acts committed fall under the definition of terrorism and should be tried as such. Trying to set a building on fire with people inside it should be domestic terrorism and a life sentence in my humble opinion. I don't see that as any different to trying and failing to bomb the building. Absolutely. I'd say it also attempted murder.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 6, 2024 16:52:32 GMT
Trying to set a building on fire with people inside it should be domestic terrorism and a life sentence in my humble opinion. I don't see that as any different to trying and failing to bomb the building. That part is what I don't get; what's the end game? Say they successfully set the hotel on fire and people inside need rescuing; do they just not try and help? Say those people are seriously injured or die inside; is that the end of the riots when people realise that it's gone too far? Does anyone try to justify that level of violence? I don't think the people rioting and setting things on fire know how far they're willing to take it. This is what I don't understand, and I think a lot of them don't understand either. A lot of them are being whipped up in to a hysteria of some sort, that I don't think they understand or seriously believe in. Going out with mates to watch and then suddenly they're nicking trays of uncooked sausages rolls from Greggs, or Crocs copies from Shoezone and are now looking at 5 years inside. Madness. Some of them are just racists and found a bit of self belief in themselves that they are right about what they think because a load of other people 'just like me' are out on the streets too, and in some cases are enjoying the feeling of vindication, like the older woman banging on about the Titanic sinking because it was full (nowt to do with the fecking massive iceberg ...) but there're those who are seeing it as an opportunity to get stuck in, like that Leanne woman in Sunderland. Chucking bins about and giving the 'Come on then!', no doubt fuelled by a line of coke. There'll be those that are proper far right, EDL/BNP/any other group members who probably see it as a new dawn, egged on by their idols, like SY-L in utter ignorance that they won't be stood behind them in the gallery when they're in the witness box. It's madness that lives are being ruined because of it, but if you play silly games, you win silly prizes.
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