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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Aug 11, 2024 8:24:14 GMT
Huge differences in tone. And unless you lack any level of objectivity it's totally disingenuous to suggest that a bunch of lefties throwingcondition than it was some statues of slavers into the dock is somehow comparable to people setting an asylum centre on fire and walking around literally looking for Asian people to beat the shit out of. You could argue that they're both wrong but there's zero argument on the wrongness of trying to literally kill/hurt people. I don't understand why you, and some others, desperately look around to equivalence everything. I don't understand the motive in it mate with the absolute utmost of respect. Possibly i do it to try to redress the balance of the left wing comments of the majority on this board. I cannot follow the left on all subjects like many on here do and like many people who could never go into politics for the reason they agree with both sides depending on the subject. I'd suspect a big tory supporter might think the same way by not supporting their party line on everything. I find it very hard to find any Tory supporter who will comment about the 14 year shit show that left almost everything in a far worse for condition than what they inherited. Ask for their views on the Judicial system being ####ed, NHS being ####ed, Education and schools being ####ed, Government debt over 3 times higher than what they inherited, Constant Lies, Corruption, Sexual misconduct, Self enrichment , amongst others and a response of don't you remember Gordon Brown sold the gold and Tony Blair took us into an illegal war (both supported by the Tories at time) is the norm.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 11, 2024 8:59:06 GMT
Huge differences in tone. And unless you lack any level of objectivity it's totally disingenuous to suggest that a bunch of lefties throwing some statues of slavers into the dock is somehow comparable to people setting an asylum centre on fire and walking around literally looking for Asian people to beat the shit out of. You could argue that they're both wrong but there's zero argument on the wrongness of trying to literally kill/hurt people. I don't understand why you, and some others, desperately look around to equivalence everything. I don't understand the motive in it mate with the absolute utmost of respect. Possibly i do it to try to redress the balance of the left wing comments of the majority on this board. I cannot follow the left on all subjects like many on here do and like many people who could never go into politics for the reason they agree with both sides depending on the subject. I,d suspect a big tory supporter might think the same way by not supporting their party line on everything. The wrong assumption there is that people who are left wing “follow the left”. I don’t “follow” anything. I’ve arrived at certain perspectives on the world through research (history, economics, social politics) and lived experience. Those perspectives inform my opinions on current events. “The left” isn’t an amorphous blog of groupthink despite how it’s often portrayed. The left itself is a spectrum. If you ever want to ensure an argument stick a handful of leftists in a room together for a prolonged period of time - they’ll find something to argue over pretty damn quickly.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 11, 2024 9:51:07 GMT
Huge differences in tone. And unless you lack any level of objectivity it's totally disingenuous to suggest that a bunch of lefties throwing some statues of slavers into the dock is somehow comparable to people setting an asylum centre on fire and walking around literally looking for Asian people to beat the shit out of. You could argue that they're both wrong but there's zero argument on the wrongness of trying to literally kill/hurt people. I don't understand why you, and some others, desperately look around to equivalence everything. I don't understand the motive in it mate with the absolute utmost of respect. Possibly i do it to try to redress the balance of the left wing comments of the majority on this board. I cannot follow the left on all subjects like many on here do and like many people who could never go into politics for the reason they agree with both sides depending on the subject. I,d suspect a big tory supporter might think the same way by not supporting their party line on everything. I don't know what your point is mate. I don't support Labour's party line on everything and I don't think there's anyone on here who does. First thing I did when TVOR appeared was agreed with him that Labour were very wrong to scrap the coal mine in Cumbria in my opinion.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 11, 2024 10:03:22 GMT
Possibly i do it to try to redress the balance of the left wing comments of the majority on this board. I cannot follow the left on all subjects like many on here do and like many people who could never go into politics for the reason they agree with both sides depending on the subject. I,d suspect a big tory supporter might think the same way by not supporting their party line on everything. I don't know what your point is mate. I don't support Labour's party line on everything and I don't think there's anyone on here who does. First thing I did when TVOR appeared was agreed with him that Labour were very wrong to scrap the coal mine in Cumbria in my opinion. I’d agree, *if* our profit-driven, privatised steel industry weren’t winding down the capability to produce virgin steel, which was the supposed market for the mine. Remind me who first brought in the policy of selling off our nation’s heavy industry…?
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 11, 2024 10:07:58 GMT
I don't know what your point is mate. I don't support Labour's party line on everything and I don't think there's anyone on here who does. First thing I did when TVOR appeared was agreed with him that Labour were very wrong to scrap the coal mine in Cumbria in my opinion. I’d agree, *if* our profit-driven, privatised steel industry weren’t winding down the capability to produce virgin steel, which was the supposed market for the mine. Remind me who first brought in the policy of selling off our nation’s heavy industry…? I can't imagine. It was probably Starmer though. I get that by the way. It would be better to maintain a steel industry of course. But even if the coal mine was capable of good profit by exporting it's production I think it's something that they should proceed with. It's good for the area's development. Jobs, money, etc. And modern coal mines are not anywhere near as devastating to the local area as they used to be. We're looking at potentially moving to Whitehaven next year. So I'm getting quite invested in the politics of the area.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 11, 2024 10:22:34 GMT
I’d agree, *if* our profit-driven, privatised steel industry weren’t winding down the capability to produce virgin steel, which was the supposed market for the mine. Remind me who first brought in the policy of selling off our nation’s heavy industry…? I can't imagine. It was probably Starmer though. I get that by the way. It would be better to maintain a steel industry of course. But even if the coal mine was capable of good profit by exporting it's production I think it's something that they should proceed with. It's good for the area's development. Jobs, money, etc. And modern coal mines are not anywhere near as devastating to the local area as they used to be. We're looking at potentially moving to Whitehaven next year. So I'm getting quite invested in the politics of the area. Mention of Whitehaven the cumbrian coast in general must be the least visited part of england. If workington had not got a football club its somewhere i,d have never visited either, but looking at some stuff on you tube i,ve been to far worse areas like some will be visiting next saturday.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 11, 2024 10:44:23 GMT
I can't imagine. It was probably Starmer though. I get that by the way. It would be better to maintain a steel industry of course. But even if the coal mine was capable of good profit by exporting it's production I think it's something that they should proceed with. It's good for the area's development. Jobs, money, etc. And modern coal mines are not anywhere near as devastating to the local area as they used to be. We're looking at potentially moving to Whitehaven next year. So I'm getting quite invested in the politics of the area. Mention of Whitehaven the cumbrian coast in general must be the least visited part of england. If workington had not got a football club its somewhere i,d have never visited either, but looking at some stuff on you tube i,ve been to far worse areas like some will be visiting next saturday. It's really nice. And as you've intimated most people don't even see it as they don't get beyond the Lake District. Some of the villages up the Barrow/Carlisle line (which is an absolutely stunning route) are, for me, as nice as any places I've been in the entire UK. St Bees, Ravenglass and so forth. Just lovely. And you're literally 10 minutes drive from 'The Lakes'. House prices within 5 miles of Barrow are higher than they are up near Whitehaven (Askam in Furness on one side, Ulverston the other). Which I guess is down to the fact that there's work, transportation, and 'life' around Barrow - less so the further up coast you get.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 11, 2024 11:13:00 GMT
Think that roundabout journey by road from the M6 does not help and having just the coastal rail link which i doubt is high speed by a long way. Blackpool should think itself lucky by having the M55 as without that they,d be giving the last rights on the place by now.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 11, 2024 11:25:12 GMT
Think that roundabout journey by road from the M6 does not help and having just the coastal rail link which i doubt is high speed by a long way. Blackpool should think itself lucky by having the M55 as without that they,d be giving the last rights on the place by now. Definitely not high speed
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 11, 2024 12:56:58 GMT
I’m putting this here because the last (and final?) Banksy of the week isn’t a tank of pretty fishies painted on a police box as far as I can tell; it’s a tank of piranhas.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 13, 2024 12:28:09 GMT
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 13, 2024 13:12:05 GMT
What the f*ck compels a grown man to put an 11-year-old in a headlock and stab them 11 times. Put him in a secure hospital and forget about him
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 13, 2024 13:57:06 GMT
Anyone any idea where the Conservative Party is? They appear to have completely disappeared.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Aug 13, 2024 14:06:14 GMT
Anyone any idea where the Conservative Party is? They appear to have completely disappeared. James Cleverly came out of hiding to say that Farridge needs to decide whether to be a politician or a social media content creator. First sensible thing he's ever said!
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 13, 2024 14:25:21 GMT
Anyone any idea where the Conservative Party is? They appear to have completely disappeared. Purdah?
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