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Post by scfc73 on Aug 13, 2024 14:26:40 GMT
What the f*ck compels a grown man to put an 11-year-old in a headlock and stab them 11 times. Put him in a secure hospital and forget about him It's getting ridiculous. The terrible event in Southport. Prior to that the poor schoolboy slain in the street by a nutter with a sword. Now a 32 year old man stabbing an 11 year old girl! All unprovoked. I'm sorry but it's time to bring back capital punishment for offences like these committed against children. Why should society have to pay to keep people like this in any system whether it be prison or a secure hospital. They may be ill but there's no realistic rehabilitation that's going to take place where these people will ever be 100% safe to release into the general public again. In the Southport case I hope the perpetrator get's a full life sentence with no opportunity for parole, he's taken 3 young lives & destroyed their families, he's also traumatised the survivors & their families for the rest of their lives. He's 18 though & if only given a normal life sentence he could be out in 20-30 years & still young enough to enjoy some semblance of life. I sincerely hope that's not going to be the case.
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Post by HTC on Aug 13, 2024 14:53:41 GMT
Both cases seem very similar to me. Men who hate women attacking little girls.
If it was an attack on any other 'minority', it would be viewed as terrorism.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 13, 2024 15:30:15 GMT
What the f*ck compels a grown man to put an 11-year-old in a headlock and stab them 11 times. Put him in a secure hospital and forget about him It's getting ridiculous. The terrible event in Southport. Prior to that the poor schoolboy slain in the street by a nutter with a sword. Now a 32 year old man stabbing an 11 year old girl! All unprovoked. I'm sorry but it's time to bring back capital punishment for offences like these committed against children. Why should society have to pay to keep people like this in any system whether it be prison or a secure hospital. They may be ill but there's no realistic rehabilitation that's going to take place where these people will ever be 100% safe to release into the general public again. In the Southport case I hope the perpetrator get's a full life sentence with no opportunity for parole, he's taken 3 young lives & destroyed their families, he's also traumatised the survivors & their families for the rest of their lives. He's 18 though & if only given a normal life sentence he could be out in 20-30 years & still young enough to enjoy some semblance of life. I sincerely hope that's not going to be the case. Am I right in saying under 18s can't be given whole life terms? That's why the prick brother of the Arena bomber got 55 years, because he was 17 at the time. In reality he'll never get parole so will serve a whole life sentence, but I'm sure I read something that under 18s can't get a full sentence. For someone like him, the Arena bomber's brother, I agree that just let a firing squad loose on him is a satisfactory outcome (possible caveat that it'd be reserved for over 18s, but generally agree in extreme cut and dry cases with zero remorse it could be an option). But it'd only be for a tiny minority of extreme cases, for me. Probably not even one a year. Can't think of many others in recent years where I'd apply it. I definitely wouldn't have the whole 'eye for an eye' thing and we just wipe out anyone who kills someone. I know the 'mental health card' is something that comes up a lot and is often dismissed as a get out, but someone can't just claim that as a defence if it's not true. Well, they can, but it'll soon get dismissed. Proper doctors have to agree after rigorous assessments. If they agree, the subject is clearly unwell. And if some poor sod is found to be mentally ill, I can't support gunning them down.
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Post by nelly on Aug 13, 2024 15:39:11 GMT
It's getting ridiculous. The terrible event in Southport. Prior to that the poor schoolboy slain in the street by a nutter with a sword. Now a 32 year old man stabbing an 11 year old girl! All unprovoked. I'm sorry but it's time to bring back capital punishment for offences like these committed against children. Why should society have to pay to keep people like this in any system whether it be prison or a secure hospital. They may be ill but there's no realistic rehabilitation that's going to take place where these people will ever be 100% safe to release into the general public again. In the Southport case I hope the perpetrator get's a full life sentence with no opportunity for parole, he's taken 3 young lives & destroyed their families, he's also traumatised the survivors & their families for the rest of their lives. He's 18 though & if only given a normal life sentence he could be out in 20-30 years & still young enough to enjoy some semblance of life. I sincerely hope that's not going to be the case. Am I right in saying under 18s can't be given whole life terms? That's why the prick brother of the Arena bomber got 55 years, because he was 17 at the time. In reality he'll never get parole so will serve a whole life sentence, but I'm sure I read something that under 18s can't get a full sentence. For someone like him, the Arena bomber's brother, I agree that just let a firing squad loose on him is a satisfactory outcome (possible caveat that it'd be reserved for over 18s, but generally agree in extreme cut and dry cases with zero remorse it could be an option). But it'd only be for a tiny minority of extreme cases, for me. Probably not even one a year. Can't think of many others in recent years where I'd apply it. I definitely wouldn't have the whole 'eye for an eye' thing and we just wipe out anyone who kills someone. I know the 'mental health card' is something that comes up a lot and is often dismissed as a get out, but someone can't just claim that as a defence if it's not true. Well, they can, but it'll soon get dismissed. Proper doctors have to agree after rigorous assessments. If they agree, the subject is clearly unwell. And if some poor sod is found to be mentally ill, I can't support gunning them down. I've always said capital punishment for child killers and terrorists.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 13, 2024 15:41:59 GMT
Anyone any idea where the Conservative Party is? They appear to have completely disappeared. Summer recess, before they fully engage in the autumn to bring the party together by engaging in a massive infighting shitfest. You should be spending August stocking up on popcorn.
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Post by vicar on Aug 13, 2024 15:51:43 GMT
Anyone any idea where the Conservative Party is? They appear to have completely disappeared. Summer recess, before they fully engage in the autumn to bring the party together by engaging in a massive infighting shitfest. You should be spending August stocking up on popcorn. Cleverleys been shooting his mouth off because Labour haven't stopped the boats yet.
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Post by vicar on Aug 13, 2024 15:58:03 GMT
Am I right in saying under 18s can't be given whole life terms? That's why the prick brother of the Arena bomber got 55 years, because he was 17 at the time. In reality he'll never get parole so will serve a whole life sentence, but I'm sure I read something that under 18s can't get a full sentence. For someone like him, the Arena bomber's brother, I agree that just let a firing squad loose on him is a satisfactory outcome (possible caveat that it'd be reserved for over 18s, but generally agree in extreme cut and dry cases with zero remorse it could be an option). But it'd only be for a tiny minority of extreme cases, for me. Probably not even one a year. Can't think of many others in recent years where I'd apply it. I definitely wouldn't have the whole 'eye for an eye' thing and we just wipe out anyone who kills someone. I know the 'mental health card' is something that comes up a lot and is often dismissed as a get out, but someone can't just claim that as a defence if it's not true. Well, they can, but it'll soon get dismissed. Proper doctors have to agree after rigorous assessments. If they agree, the subject is clearly unwell. And if some poor sod is found to be mentally ill, I can't support gunning them down. I've always said capital punishment for child killers and terrorists. I'm 100% opposed to the state killing people it's a massive step backwards but I fear it's the next issue for the likes of Braverman and Badenoch in their leadership battle, Reform will also push for it if they haven't already.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 13, 2024 16:02:25 GMT
It's getting ridiculous. The terrible event in Southport. Prior to that the poor schoolboy slain in the street by a nutter with a sword. Now a 32 year old man stabbing an 11 year old girl! All unprovoked. I'm sorry but it's time to bring back capital punishment for offences like these committed against children. Why should society have to pay to keep people like this in any system whether it be prison or a secure hospital. They may be ill but there's no realistic rehabilitation that's going to take place where these people will ever be 100% safe to release into the general public again. In the Southport case I hope the perpetrator get's a full life sentence with no opportunity for parole, he's taken 3 young lives & destroyed their families, he's also traumatised the survivors & their families for the rest of their lives. He's 18 though & if only given a normal life sentence he could be out in 20-30 years & still young enough to enjoy some semblance of life. I sincerely hope that's not going to be the case. Am I right in saying under 18s can't be given whole life terms? That's why the prick brother of the Arena bomber got 55 years, because he was 17 at the time. In reality he'll never get parole so will serve a whole life sentence, but I'm sure I read something that under 18s can't get a full sentence. For someone like him, the Arena bomber's brother, I agree that just let a firing squad loose on him is a satisfactory outcome (possible caveat that it'd be reserved for over 18s, but generally agree in extreme cut and dry cases with zero remorse it could be an option). But it'd only be for a tiny minority of extreme cases, for me. Probably not even one a year. Can't think of many others in recent years where I'd apply it. I definitely wouldn't have the whole 'eye for an eye' thing and we just wipe out anyone who kills someone. I know the 'mental health card' is something that comes up a lot and is often dismissed as a get out, but someone can't just claim that as a defence if it's not true. Well, they can, but it'll soon get dismissed. Proper doctors have to agree after rigorous assessments. If they agree, the subject is clearly unwell. And if some poor sod is found to be mentally ill, I can't support gunning them down. This mental health get out is a bit strange as somebody could be completely sane in every other respect but has somehow got an unnatural hatred for a certain sex or a member of some community or other. This is why people generalise on subjects which i,d guess we have all done. More easier to explain face to face with someone. We have all heard in the past of the shock locals get when an individual known well to someone and his popular suddenly goes out and murders a woman or kid. Is this person completely insane and needs treatment or has developed a kink somehere against women in general through bad experiances causing him to have this health problem but overall he as sane as hopefully we all are.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 13, 2024 16:04:28 GMT
I've always said capital punishment for child killers and terrorists. I'm 100% opposed to the state killing people it's a massive step backwards but I fear it's the next issue for the likes of Braverman and Badenoch in their leadership battle, Reform will also push for it if they haven't already. Just one name does it for me. Timothy Evans.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 13, 2024 16:05:54 GMT
State sanctioned murder is the sign of a society going backwards.
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Post by nelly on Aug 13, 2024 16:07:58 GMT
Am I right in saying under 18s can't be given whole life terms? That's why the prick brother of the Arena bomber got 55 years, because he was 17 at the time. In reality he'll never get parole so will serve a whole life sentence, but I'm sure I read something that under 18s can't get a full sentence. For someone like him, the Arena bomber's brother, I agree that just let a firing squad loose on him is a satisfactory outcome (possible caveat that it'd be reserved for over 18s, but generally agree in extreme cut and dry cases with zero remorse it could be an option). But it'd only be for a tiny minority of extreme cases, for me. Probably not even one a year. Can't think of many others in recent years where I'd apply it. I definitely wouldn't have the whole 'eye for an eye' thing and we just wipe out anyone who kills someone. I know the 'mental health card' is something that comes up a lot and is often dismissed as a get out, but someone can't just claim that as a defence if it's not true. Well, they can, but it'll soon get dismissed. Proper doctors have to agree after rigorous assessments. If they agree, the subject is clearly unwell. And if some poor sod is found to be mentally ill, I can't support gunning them down.
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Post by nelly on Aug 13, 2024 16:10:28 GMT
I'm 100% opposed to the state killing people it's a massive step backwards but I fear it's the next issue for the likes of Braverman and Badenoch in their leadership battle, Reform will also push for it if they haven't already. Just one name does it for me. Timothy Evans. Yes does it for me too. With DNA profiling today it should be almost impossible to convict the wrong person though.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 13, 2024 16:18:35 GMT
Just one name does it for me. Timothy Evans. Yes does it for me too. With DNA profiling today it should be almost impossible to convict the wrong person though. Correct - if everyone can, 100%, be trusted to not be corrupt. You need to put yourself in the position that they've picked YOU up and they're mistaken but think they've got their man. In that circumstance would you trust the Police to do right by you? No coming back from a death penalty remember. No, 30 years down the line on his deathbed, "I fitted Nelly up" or such.
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Post by vicar on Aug 13, 2024 16:20:06 GMT
Am I right in saying under 18s can't be given whole life terms? That's why the prick brother of the Arena bomber got 55 years, because he was 17 at the time. In reality he'll never get parole so will serve a whole life sentence, but I'm sure I read something that under 18s can't get a full sentence. For someone like him, the Arena bomber's brother, I agree that just let a firing squad loose on him is a satisfactory outcome (possible caveat that it'd be reserved for over 18s, but generally agree in extreme cut and dry cases with zero remorse it could be an option). But it'd only be for a tiny minority of extreme cases, for me. Probably not even one a year. Can't think of many others in recent years where I'd apply it. I definitely wouldn't have the whole 'eye for an eye' thing and we just wipe out anyone who kills someone. I know the 'mental health card' is something that comes up a lot and is often dismissed as a get out, but someone can't just claim that as a defence if it's not true. Well, they can, but it'll soon get dismissed. Proper doctors have to agree after rigorous assessments. If they agree, the subject is clearly unwell. And if some poor sod is found to be mentally ill, I can't support gunning them down. This mental health get out is a bit strange as somebody could be completely sane in every other respect but has somehow got an unnatural hatred for a certain sex or a member of some community or other. This is why people generalise on subjects which i,d guess we have all done. More easier to explain face to face with someone. We have all heard in the past of the shock locals get when an individual known well to someone and his popular suddenly goes out and murders a woman or kid. Is this person completely insane and needs treatment or has developed a kink somehere against women in general through bad experiances causing him to have this health problem but overall he as sane as hopefully we all are. I just think anyone committing heinous acts is wired up badly, I don't see it as a cop out to say their brains are not functioning correctly their act alone is often proof enough without a team of shrinks assessing him/her. I'd be very surprised if in most cases there weren’t alarm bells but no resources to do anything about them, I'm not saying society shouldn't be protected from these people but killing them doesn't bring anyone back, acting on warning signs might prevent the crimes from happening though.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 13, 2024 16:21:40 GMT
This mental health get out is a bit strange as somebody could be completely sane in every other respect but has somehow got an unnatural hatred for a certain sex or a member of some community or other. This is why people generalise on subjects which i,d guess we have all done. More easier to explain face to face with someone. We have all heard in the past of the shock locals get when an individual known well to someone and his popular suddenly goes out and murders a woman or kid. Is this person completely insane and needs treatment or has developed a kink somehere against women in general through bad experiances causing him to have this health problem but overall he as sane as hopefully we all are. I just think anyone committing heinous acts is wired up badly, I don't see it as an act to say their brains are not functioning correctly their act alone is often proof enough without a team of shrinks assessing him/her. I'd be very surprised if in most cases there weren’t alarm bells but no resources to do anything about them, I'm not saying society shouldn't be protected from these people but killing them doesn't bring anyone back, acting on warning signs might prevent the crimes from happening though. There are people who are wired up correctly but just hateful or nasty. Lots in my opinion. And, there are people who are not suffering from mental health defects that agree with those people. Seen this over the last couple of weeks for sure haven't we?
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