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Post by scfc73 on Aug 15, 2024 8:00:55 GMT
Disgusting what she said? 100%. But 15 months for a 53 year old with no previous record & a primary carer for her husband? I think in this case a suspended sentence with a large fine & community service attached would have been more appropriate . I say this because I've known people who have gone down for burglary & drug dealing & got less than what she's been given, come out & gone straight back to what they were doing before prison. This woman made one stupid & vile comment on facebook, It's absolutely right she's been pulled up for it but I'm pretty sure just the ordeal of being in court & being named & shamed would have been enough to ensure this particular person never did anything like that again. I feel this sentence isn't a sentence aimed at this woman in particular even though she's the one who has to serve the time but an example sentence to a wider audience. No doubt that the internet needs cleaning up, hate speech stopped etc & I suppose we have to start somewhere. If this sets an example & makes people think twice before posting on social media then it can only be a good thing but Labour must have a secret stash of money to build new prisons & employ all the staff to go with them because It's been well known that our prisons have been at bursting point for quite some time. No problem whatsoever with the sentences handed out to rioters but if the prisons are bursting at the seams it's likely that certain people get released early to accommodate the new influx. A 53 year old woman with no prior criminal record who wrote one vile message on a social media platform may be going to jail but a person with a record as long as your arm & likely to re-offend may be released early to accommodate her. On the basis of this conviction I fully expect the Labour councillor who stood up in public & announced that people should have their throats cut will be getting a similar custodial sentence? Yeah, not saying I necessarily agree with it - but do agree with you that she’s defo being made an example of. My point was more that there’s no excuse for people to posting stuff like this now when the consequences are clear and obvious. Let's hope so. I do think the quick & stiff sentences handed out to the rioters was exactly the right thing to do & has definitely quelled the potential for disturbances to continue, hopefully her sentence (despite not agreeing with the severity of it whilst deploring what she said) acts as a similar catalyst.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 15, 2024 9:00:23 GMT
BuT FrEE 5PeAcH.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 10:11:40 GMT
‘ The judge said no-one had suggested Sweeney would have taken part in any violence, but "so called keyboard warriors like her, have to learn to take responsibility for their inflammatory and disgusting language".’ Wise words from a judge as he sends down some gobshite woman for posting language not too dissimilar we’ve seen on here and Marion’s in recent times. Anyone getting pulled for this kind of thing now really has no excuse. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x105wgz5oDisgusting what she said? 100%. But 15 months for a 53 year old with no previous record & a primary carer for her husband? I think in this case a suspended sentence with a large fine & community service attached would have been more appropriate . I say this because I've known people who have gone down for burglary & drug dealing & got less than what she's been given, come out & gone straight back to what they were doing before prison. This woman made one stupid & vile comment on facebook, It's absolutely right she's been pulled up for it but I'm pretty sure just the ordeal of being in court & being named & shamed would have been enough to ensure this particular person never did anything like that again. I feel this sentence isn't a sentence aimed at this woman in particular even though she's the one who has to serve the time but an example sentence to a wider audience. No doubt that the internet needs cleaning up, hate speech stopped etc & I suppose we have to start somewhere. If this sets an example & makes people think twice before posting on social media then it can only be a good thing but Labour must have a secret stash of money to build new prisons & employ all the staff to go with them because It's been well known that our prisons have been at bursting point for quite some time. No problem whatsoever with the sentences handed out to rioters but if the prisons are bursting at the seams it's likely that certain people get released early to accommodate the new influx. A 53 year old woman with no prior criminal record who wrote one vile message on a social media platform may be going to jail but a person with a record as long as your arm & likely to re-offend may be released early to accommodate her. On the basis of this conviction I fully expect the Labour councillor who stood up in public & announced that people should have their throats cut will be getting a similar custodial sentence? I think I probably agree with you on this although I do think what she said is particularly malicious. I still can't think why you'd go online to write what she wrote even if you think it inside. Weird woman. That said, I've read worse on the other Board.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 10:20:24 GMT
A few of you extremists (left and right) need to chill out a little. I hope this helps.... Bit rich. You're the most extreme poster on here. You're certainly the only one I've seen on here use a racist, quite possibly illegal, slur. Didn't you also use rhetoric on the other yellow board about asylum seekers in dinghies (apologies if mistaken identity - I may be mixing you up following your comments here about hover-crafting them back to Calais).
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Post by HTC on Aug 15, 2024 10:23:13 GMT
It's the 'can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre' rule when it comes to free speech.
For me the grey area is whether a post in a facebook group of 5000 people located 90 minutes away from the 'target' counts as shouting 'fire'. Don't feel qualified to comment personally, as I don't use facebook, and no idea to what extent the algorithm amplifies such bollocks.
definitlely feels more like a 'sending a message' sentence than something you'd expect in normal circumstances, but there's definitely a feel of play stupid games / get stupid prizes about the whole thing.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 10:31:54 GMT
It's the 'can't shout 'fire' in a crowded theatre' rule when it comes to free speech. For me the grey area is whether a post in a facebook group of 5000 people located 90 minutes away from the 'target' counts as shouting 'fire'. Don't feel qualified to comment personally, as I don't use facebook, and no idea to what extent the algorithm amplifies such bollocks. definitlely feels more like a 'sending a message' sentence than something you'd expect in normal circumstances, but there's definitely a feel of play stupid games / get stupid prizes about the whole thing. Be interesting to see what Lucie Connolly, the wife of a Tory Councillor, gets given that she wrote far worse and probably has far more followers and access to far more people in her online sphere of influence. And of course, she's a child minder by profession. Or, should I say, was.
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Post by tvor on Aug 15, 2024 10:33:51 GMT
A few of you extremists (left and right) need to chill out a little. I hope this helps.... Bit rich. You're the most extreme poster on here. You're certainly the only one I've seen on here use a racist, quite possibly illegal, slur. Didn't you also use rhetoric on the other yellow board about asylum seekers in dinghies (apologies if mistaken identity - I may be mixing you up following your comments here about hover-crafting them back to Calais). You are making thing up again Martin. I thought we'd moved on from that. Please say that the video made you at least smile .......
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 15, 2024 10:40:14 GMT
A few of you extremists (left and right) need to chill out a little. I hope this helps.... Bit rich. You're the most extreme poster on here. You're certainly the only one I've seen on here use a racist, quite possibly illegal, slur. Didn't you also use rhetoric on the other yellow board about asylum seekers in dinghies (apologies if mistaken identity - I may be mixing you up following your comments here about hover-crafting them back to Calais). Don't worry. It's the very obvious approach of accusing others of which you are guilty. It's very common amongst the sort of politician that seems to find favour with those who say they challenge normal thinking, but who don't seem to challenge nonsense thinking.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 15, 2024 10:44:34 GMT
Bit rich. You're the most extreme poster on here. You're certainly the only one I've seen on here use a racist, quite possibly illegal, slur. Didn't you also use rhetoric on the other yellow board about asylum seekers in dinghies (apologies if mistaken identity - I may be mixing you up following your comments here about hover-crafting them back to Calais). You are making thing up again Martin. I thought we'd moved on from that. Please say that the video made you at least smile ....... You don't seem to understand how the board works. This is The Politics Thread. People choose to come on this one to talk about politics. It's not the only thing they're interested in, as you'll see from all the other threads. But if you've got comedy to post, feel free to start a thread for that purpose.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 10:56:55 GMT
Bit rich. You're the most extreme poster on here. You're certainly the only one I've seen on here use a racist, quite possibly illegal, slur. Didn't you also use rhetoric on the other yellow board about asylum seekers in dinghies (apologies if mistaken identity - I may be mixing you up following your comments here about hover-crafting them back to Calais). You are making thing up again Martin. I thought we'd moved on from that. Please say that the video made you at least smile ....... I've not moved on. Don't know what gave you that impression. You definitely used a racial slur on here (twice). I can repost if you've forgotten about it and need to see evidence? If you're saying it wasn't you whom, in the past, suggested machine gunning asylum seekers in dinghies then that's fine. I'll take your word for it and I apologise. Do you recall who it was? The guy in Spain? Someone did. I'll be truthful. I don't watch your videos and never will. I'm just not interested. I'm not like you, I don't think we enjoy, or are interested in, the same things. But I will listen to your opinions on politics and I will agree with you, if I agree with you (which will be rare, but has happened).
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Post by mattyovrio on Aug 15, 2024 11:13:28 GMT
Disgusting what she said? 100%. But 15 months for a 53 year old with no previous record & a primary carer for her husband? I think in this case a suspended sentence with a large fine & community service attached would have been more appropriate . I say this because I've known people who have gone down for burglary & drug dealing & got less than what she's been given, come out & gone straight back to what they were doing before prison. This woman made one stupid & vile comment on facebook, It's absolutely right she's been pulled up for it but I'm pretty sure just the ordeal of being in court & being named & shamed would have been enough to ensure this particular person never did anything like that again. I feel this sentence isn't a sentence aimed at this woman in particular even though she's the one who has to serve the time but an example sentence to a wider audience. No doubt that the internet needs cleaning up, hate speech stopped etc & I suppose we have to start somewhere. If this sets an example & makes people think twice before posting on social media then it can only be a good thing but Labour must have a secret stash of money to build new prisons & employ all the staff to go with them because It's been well known that our prisons have been at bursting point for quite some time. No problem whatsoever with the sentences handed out to rioters but if the prisons are bursting at the seams it's likely that certain people get released early to accommodate the new influx. A 53 year old woman with no prior criminal record who wrote one vile message on a social media platform may be going to jail but a person with a record as long as your arm & likely to re-offend may be released early to accommodate her. On the basis of this conviction I fully expect the Labour councillor who stood up in public & announced that people should have their throats cut will be getting a similar custodial sentence? I think I probably agree with you on this although I do think what she said is particularly malicious. I still can't think why you'd go online to write what she wrote even if you think it inside. Weird woman. That said, I've read worse on the other Board. I get the point 73 is making but at a time when there people on the streets literally trying to burn people in their building, publicly exhorting others to do the same …. Sorry, no sympathy for her whatsoever. Yes she has been made an example of and there are more to come. This sort of online behaviour is extremely dangerous. As well as prison sentences, the government needs to hold the giant tech companies to account and start fining them and jailing their top execs for providing a platform for such comments.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 11:44:13 GMT
I think I probably agree with you on this although I do think what she said is particularly malicious. I still can't think why you'd go online to write what she wrote even if you think it inside. Weird woman. That said, I've read worse on the other Board. I get the point 73 is making but at a time when there people on the streets literally trying to burn people in their building, publicly exhorting others to do the same …. Sorry, no sympathy for her whatsoever. Yes she has been made an example of and there are more to come. This sort of online behaviour is extremely dangerous. As well as prison sentences, the government needs to hold the giant tech companies to account and start fining them and jailing their top execs for providing a platform for such comments. I dunno mate. I think literally millions of people have said things on Social Media that they regret. I know I have. And don't necessarily self-agree with. I think this silly cow's being put away based on a premium being placed on timing. And it's fair I think that she should be censured for it but I'm with SCFC that I don't think prison is the right one. Not to say I don't agree with you. I just think the sentence for basically gobbing off on the internet isn't commensurate with the crime I don't think. I think getting her into Court blubbing and wailing is punishment enough and for someone like her will act as a deterrent enough to make her think twice before doing so again. I mean, Christ, she even said "Thank You Your Honour" when he was sending her down. Why could she not be more mindful and polite a week earlier. Stupid, stupid, woman.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 15, 2024 12:05:17 GMT
It might be slightly excessive, but there's a difference between saying something stupid, which I agree most of us will have done, and saying things which make people live in fear. No-one should live in fear, whatever their political views, religion, gender, sexuality and so on. Again , there's a difference between robustly disagreeing or holding strong views, and posting threatening messages. And given it's social media, it obviously doesn't matter if you're a 20 year bloke or a 70 year old woman.
I also agree that social media companies need to start doing more.
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Post by tvor on Aug 15, 2024 12:27:32 GMT
You are making thing up again Martin. I thought we'd moved on from that. Please say that the video made you at least smile ....... I've not moved on. Don't know what gave you that impression. You definitely used a racial slur on here (twice). I can repost if you've forgotten about it and need to see evidence? If you're saying it wasn't you whom, in the past, suggested machine gunning asylum seekers in dinghies then that's fine. I'll take your word for it and I apologise. Do you recall who it was? The guy in Spain? Someone did.I'll be truthful. I don't watch your videos and never will. I'm just not interested. I'm not like you, I don't think we enjoy, or are interested in, the same things. But I will listen to your opinions on politics and I will agree with you, if I agree with you (which will be rare, but has happened). I can certainly state that was nothing to do with me. Apology accepted.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 15, 2024 12:39:57 GMT
I've not moved on. Don't know what gave you that impression. You definitely used a racial slur on here (twice). I can repost if you've forgotten about it and need to see evidence? If you're saying it wasn't you whom, in the past, suggested machine gunning asylum seekers in dinghies then that's fine. I'll take your word for it and I apologise. Do you recall who it was? The guy in Spain? Someone did.I'll be truthful. I don't watch your videos and never will. I'm just not interested. I'm not like you, I don't think we enjoy, or are interested in, the same things. But I will listen to your opinions on politics and I will agree with you, if I agree with you (which will be rare, but has happened). I can certainly state that was nothing to do with me. Apology accepted. You did talk about using Royal Navy hovercrafts to "blow" them back to Calais though...
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