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Post by Waldorf on Aug 16, 2024 14:28:26 GMT
Wife and I both public sector (wife front-line). Both worked full time. Wife probably did more because a lockdown dictated that her job got more difficult. Stop talking nonsense.
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Post by Nik on Aug 16, 2024 14:33:22 GMT
Wife and I both public sector (wife front-line). Both worked full time. Wife probably did more because a lockdown dictated that her job got more difficult. Stop talking nonsense. We had our daughter at home from school the whole time whilst both working from home and trying to keep her on track with home schooling, whilst our neighbours on both sides were furloughed and spent months basically partying and sunbathing. I remember the suggestion on here at the time, might have been the same poster too, that public sector workers should only be paid 80% too to 'share the pain' despite working 100% of our hours. Absolutely bonkers. EDIT: Just checked; same poster.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 16, 2024 14:33:42 GMT
Bit surprised to see the government have handed the train drivers the large pay increase demanded without any need for the reforms requested. I wonder how this will affect other pay demands from others? Does everyone just get what they want now. Have much more sympathy for those at the lower pay scale but some of these pay awards for those on very decent wages already,particularly in the public sector, are surprising,as well as the train companies employees. Lots of people in the private sector and self employed still struggling along,many of whom had little support during covid,unlike the public sector who had many months off fully paid. All seems a bit of an uneven field? There was me thinking many public sector employees were #keyworkers? ISTR we all went out every Thursday teatime and gave #keyworkers a symbolic round of applause. Nothing like a bit of revisionism, eh?
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Post by HTC on Aug 16, 2024 14:58:14 GMT
basic problem here is 'public sector' covers such a wide range of jobs as to be a useless designation.
Healthcare workers / teachers etc. were there the whole time, and working much harder than usual.
University staff seemed to have drastically varying experiences depending on their position / institutional rules & culture - some people did nothing at all, others worked twice as hard as usual.
On the other side, you've loads of people working in public sector call centres couldn't do anything as the system / privacy issues involved meant that they couldn't just switch to working from home, so all the actual public saw from them was terrible service. The DVLA was particularly bad for this, and has barely recovered now.
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Post by nelly on Aug 16, 2024 15:02:39 GMT
Bit surprised to see the government have handed the train drivers the large pay increase demanded without any need for the reforms requested. I wonder how this will affect other pay demands from others? Does everyone just get what they want now. Have much more sympathy for those at the lower pay scale but some of these pay awards for those on very decent wages already,particularly in the public sector, are surprising,as well as the train companies employees. Lots of people in the private sector and self employed still struggling along,many of whom had little support during covid,unlike the public sector who had many months off fully paid. All seems a bit of an uneven field? There was me thinking many public sector employees were #keyworkers? ISTR we all went out every Thursday teatime and gave #keyworkers a symbolic round of applause. Nothing like a bit of revisionism, eh? I worked all the way through covid. Someone had to keep the roads clean (Large road sweeper). 1% pay rises for 10 years and now it's catch-up time. I took early retirement in 2021. Best thing I ever did and public sector pay at that level is very poor.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 16, 2024 15:03:44 GMT
Not sure where you get the idea the public sector had months off fully paid where the private sector didn't. Every public sector worker I know was working throughout. Some of them were as frontline as you want to get as well. For information, as far back 18months ago the train drivers' strikes were estimated to have cost the country 1billion quid (you can add 15-25m quid per day since then) and it was said at that time that it would have been cheaper to have addressed the pay demand. Which communist said this? Huw Merriman, Rail Minister for the Conservative government at the time. It may well have cost the country that money but you've not really addressed who's fault that was. Are you saying train drivers/employees are badly paid and badly needed a pay rise? Of course a strike/s cost the country,that's not the point. It's whether they are justified. There seem to be some on here who support EVERY single strike action regardless.
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Post by edjelley on Aug 16, 2024 15:08:12 GMT
Wife and I both public sector (wife front-line). Both worked full time. Wife probably did more because a lockdown dictated that her job got more difficult. Stop talking nonsense. We had our daughter at home from school the whole time whilst both working from home and trying to keep her on track with home schooling, whilst our neighbours on both sides were furloughed and spent months basically partying and sunbathing. I remember the suggestion on here at the time, might have been the same poster too, that public sector workers should only be paid 80% too to 'share the pain' despite working 100% of our hours. Absolutely bonkers. EDIT: Just checked; same poster. I was merely suggesting it,not to share the pain,but to give some balance and help to those self employed and non paid private workers. Many public sector workers saved lots through not having to travel to work,lunch out etc.
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Post by nelly on Aug 16, 2024 15:14:01 GMT
We had our daughter at home from school the whole time whilst both working from home and trying to keep her on track with home schooling, whilst our neighbours on both sides were furloughed and spent months basically partying and sunbathing. I remember the suggestion on here at the time, might have been the same poster too, that public sector workers should only be paid 80% too to 'share the pain' despite working 100% of our hours. Absolutely bonkers. EDIT: Just checked; same poster. I was merely suggesting it,not to share the pain,but to give some balance and help to those self employed and non paid private workers. Many public sector workers saved lots through not having to travel to work,lunch out etc. Self employed people were still working. Mainly builders and tradesmen. Used to see their vans every day and were they furloughed.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 16, 2024 15:16:44 GMT
You've not explained why they're not justified. If you think it's only about pay, then you're kidding yourself. Also, these are strikes in England, as the RMT and ASLEF issues were settled in Scotland and Wales by May last year. Government interference has scuppered the ASLEF agreement in England (RMT having pretty much sorted things at some point late last year).
The average rail worker is on around 31-35k pa, depending who you believe. Even the top figure is hardly excessive, noting that averages conceal high and lows. The pay rises are variably 4.5-5% over the past 3 years. Not excessive given inflation over the same period, again, noting the latest year is above current inflation (the middle year being well below what it was).
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Post by neil on Aug 16, 2024 15:19:32 GMT
I was merely suggesting it,not to share the pain,but to give some balance and help to those self employed and non paid private workers. Many public sector workers saved lots through not having to travel to work,lunch out etc. Self employed people were still working. Mainly builders and tradesmen. Used to see their vans every day and were they furloughed. I know builders who did REALLY well out of covid, never busier whilst claiming grants that the government was dishing out. My missus lost her self employed business as she got no help at all, but as a teaching assistant she was in school every day working daft hours.. My company furloughed 50% of the staff and the rest got a 20% and worked twice as much to cover those furloughed!!
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 16, 2024 15:25:32 GMT
We had our daughter at home from school the whole time whilst both working from home and trying to keep her on track with home schooling, whilst our neighbours on both sides were furloughed and spent months basically partying and sunbathing. I remember the suggestion on here at the time, might have been the same poster too, that public sector workers should only be paid 80% too to 'share the pain' despite working 100% of our hours. Absolutely bonkers. EDIT: Just checked; same poster. I was merely suggesting it,not to share the pain,but to give some balance and help to those self employed and non paid private workers. Many public sector workers saved lots through not having to travel to work,lunch out etc. So did many private sector, which occupies the vast majority of commercial office space. That's why Rees-Mogg and the like were crying like babies because their property owning mates could see there was going to be less demand for office space. You're going to die on the wrong hill here trying to make out the public sector workers did 'better' out of the pandemic than those in the private sector, this time noting HTC's salient comment that generalising means you miss differences within those sectors.
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Post by Nik on Aug 16, 2024 15:26:33 GMT
We had our daughter at home from school the whole time whilst both working from home and trying to keep her on track with home schooling, whilst our neighbours on both sides were furloughed and spent months basically partying and sunbathing. I remember the suggestion on here at the time, might have been the same poster too, that public sector workers should only be paid 80% too to 'share the pain' despite working 100% of our hours. Absolutely bonkers. EDIT: Just checked; same poster. I was merely suggesting it,not to share the pain,but to give some balance and help to those self employed and non paid private workers. Many public sector workers saved lots through not having to travel to work,lunch out etc. As I said at the time, you wouldn't catch many in any sector accepting 80% of their pay for doing 100% of their job, especially when at the same time, millions were being paid 80-100% of their pay for doing 0% of their job.
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Post by Waldorf on Aug 16, 2024 15:30:39 GMT
Race to the f*cking bottom hey?
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Post by edjelley on Aug 16, 2024 15:44:39 GMT
Wife and I both public sector (wife front-line). Both worked full time. Wife probably did more because a lockdown dictated that her job got more difficult. Stop talking nonsense. [br Front line. Fair comment and point taken.
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Post by nelly on Aug 16, 2024 15:53:00 GMT
Self employed people were still working. Mainly builders and tradesmen. Used to see their vans every day and were they furloughed. I know builders who did REALLY well out of covid, never busier whilst claiming grants that the government was dishing out. My missus lost her self employed business as she got no help at all, but as a teaching assistant she was in school every day working daft hours.. My company furloughed 50% of the staff and the rest got a 20% and worked twice as much to cover those furloughed!! So basically it wasn't a fair system. Doesn't surprise me, since when have the Tories been fair.
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