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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 28, 2024 11:57:55 GMT
You mean the same loopholes that the mega rich have always been using to void paying as much tax as they should. Something far more important an issue than inheritance tax for the joe who has been left their parents ex council house which by sheer accident its worth has gone through the roof from the purchase price. Mind you you know the cap doffers would do little or nothing to raid the wealth of the monarchy as the tourist industry would be non existent without them. Yep. Simple start - make all forms of tax avoidance, tax evasion instead. That would see Corporates like KPMG and the like, with their images to uphold, rethink their immoral business practices. Are not pension contributions, charity donations, things like that tax avoidance? I'm with you on where you're coming from just not sure that's quite the way to do it. From what I understand the latest panic about Labour "coming for you in the grave" is about them closing off shore trust loopholes. Fully agree with that.
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Post by HTC on Aug 28, 2024 12:02:11 GMT
Yep. Simple start - make all forms of tax avoidance, tax evasion instead. That would see Corporates like KPMG and the like, with their images to uphold, rethink their immoral business practices. Are not pension contributions, charity donations, things like that tax avoidance? I'm with you on where you're coming from just not sure that's quite the way to do it. From what I understand the latest panic about Labour "coming for you in the grave" is about them closing off shore trust loopholes. Fully agree with that. agreed.
Is giving your child £3000 per year while you are still alive tax avoidance?
Is giving £500k to charity (which just happens to take you below the threshold on which IT is payable) tax avoidance?
Is having part of your salary heading straight to your pension under the salary sacrifice rules tax avoidance?
Definitely loopholes out there, but a lot of difference between that sort of thing, and 'tax evasion' in my eyes.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 28, 2024 12:02:41 GMT
Yep. Simple start - make all forms of tax avoidance, tax evasion instead. That would see Corporates like KPMG and the like, with their images to uphold, rethink their immoral business practices. Are not pension contributions, charity donations, things like that tax avoidance? I'm with you on where you're coming from just not sure that's quite the way to do it. From what I understand the latest panic about Labour "coming for you in the grave" is about them closing off shore trust loopholes. Fully agree with that. Depends on motive I guess. I readily accept that it would need thinking through, but many types of tax avoidance should be illegal is my starting point. I will accept, not all.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 28, 2024 12:10:51 GMT
Are not pension contributions, charity donations, things like that tax avoidance? I'm with you on where you're coming from just not sure that's quite the way to do it. From what I understand the latest panic about Labour "coming for you in the grave" is about them closing off shore trust loopholes. Fully agree with that. Depends on motive I guess. I readily accept that it would need thinking through, but many types of tax avoidance should be illegal is my starting point. I will accept, not all. Definitely. Some of the stuff that’s not only allowed but encouraged is baffling. I remember when Jimmy Carr got done. He started looking at all his tax affairs, because he’d left it to an accountant, and started asking the questions like “why am I a limited company”, I’m just me. People assume I set up as a limited company when I went self employed, I didn’t, most self employed people I deal with (in my industry) aren’t. We pay income taxes as workers because we are.
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Post by desmond on Aug 28, 2024 14:11:08 GMT
This 22 million pounds black hole that Labour have conveniently created/found. Here's a suggestion, scrap HS2 which for 99% plus of the UK population is irrelevant to them. Use the money left over to sort a legal way for Starmer to send all the illegal arrivals back as they are also costing us billions each year whilst creating nothing for the economy. He moaned about it when he was in opposition, now is his chance to actually do something about it. This is one of the biggest challenges that we as a Country face. Has he visited Dover yet to see for himself what it's like down there? If not, why not? I'm off out to take in some fresh air up in Lyme Park before they put a tax on that The £22 billion (not million) hasn't been conveniently created / found. It was hidden. Not offering or settling pay deals isn't competent government. The problem cannot magically disappear. The result was endless strikes by junior doctors and within the NHS and on the railways. All this has an economic cost. NHS waiting lists have soared to 8 million, including 2.6 million economically active people. The cost of this waiting list is estimated to be £73 billion pounds over a 5 year period, due to the damage it causes to GDP. www.ippr.org/media-office/revealed-73-billion-at-stake-if-government-misses-its-nhs-waiting-list-ambitions-report-finds#:~:text=Getting%20people%20off%20waiting%20lists,reference%20to%20the%20human%20cost. With regard to immigration, firstly no one arriving in our country is "illegal", they have a right to apply for asylum under international law. I think a good solution would be to set up immigration centres in Calais / French ports. Allow migrants to apply for asylum in France and if they are a genuine asylum seeker, offer safe a safe and legal route to the UK. Then allow them to work and contribute to the UK economy from day one. If people then continue to arrive via other routes (having chosen to ignore newly created legal routes), then we would be obliged to process their claim for asylum under international law, but I think it would be fair to make an assumption that they have chosen to enter illegally and ask the question why. I would divert some resources from hotels / accommodation, into extra case officers, so these claims are processed much more quickly and efficiently and the pressure / cost is eased on housing. Apparently the home office are paying for a buffer of around 5,000 hotel beds to be kept available in case there is a surge of asylum seekers, it would seem reasonable to switch some of that funding to a quicker processing system.
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Post by vicar on Aug 28, 2024 14:17:04 GMT
The £22 billion (not million) hasn't been conveniently created / found. It was hidden. Not offering or settling pay deals isn't competent government. The problem cannot magically disappear. The result was endless strikes by junior doctors and within the NHS and on the railways. All this has an economic cost. NHS waiting lists have soared to 8 million, including 2.6 million economically active people. The cost of this waiting list is estimated to be £73 billion pounds over a 5 year period, due to the damage it causes to GDP. www.ippr.org/media-office/revealed-73-billion-at-stake-if-government-misses-its-nhs-waiting-list-ambitions-report-finds#:~:text=Getting%20people%20off%20waiting%20lists,reference%20to%20the%20human%20cost. With regard to immigration, firstly no one arriving in our country is "illegal", they have a right to apply for asylum under international law. I think a good solution would be to set up immigration centres in Calais / French ports. Allow migrants to apply for asylum in France and if they are a genuine asylum seeker, offer safe a safe and legal route to the UK. Then allow them to work and contribute to the UK economy from day one. If people then continue to arrive via other routes (having chosen to ignore newly created legal routes), then we would be obliged to process their claim for asylum under international law, but I think it would be fair to make an assumption that they have chosen to enter illegally and ask the question why. I would divert some resources from hotels / accommodation, into extra case officers, so these claims are processed much more quickly and efficiently and the pressure / cost is eased on housing. Apparently the home office are paying for a buffer of around 5,000 hotel beds to be kept available in case there is a surge of asylum seekers, it would seem reasonable to switch some of that funding to a quicker processing system. That's going to take time, the civil service cuts resulted in this backlog, there's so much to set up, not just processing here but processing before they get here, tidying up this mess will be a huge task.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 28, 2024 14:19:32 GMT
I agree and I think that's the plan. We are of course in this mess because the previous government engineered it to be so. You literally had the person in charge of this for two years decrying the state of it in the weeks after she was finally turfed out of her job. Catnip to the 'BuT F0rRiN5' group who tend not to think much when presented with infantile slogans like 'Stop the boats'.
It is one of the key things I'll be judging this government on though, because the existing approach was stupid, expensive and unfair on many groups of people.
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Post by desmond on Aug 28, 2024 14:53:59 GMT
Apparently the home office are paying for a buffer of around 5,000 hotel beds to be kept available in case there is a surge of asylum seekers, it would seem reasonable to switch some of that funding to a quicker processing system. That's going to take time, the civil service cuts resulted in this backlog, there's so much to set up, not just processing here but processing before they get here, tidying up this mess will be a huge task. Indeed but just for clarity that is 5,000 beds over and above the ones in use that they are paying for “just in case”. Apparently it’s costing £15m per week to keep these rooms available, surely a diversion of those funds could help get things up and running more quickly.
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Post by redhatter on Aug 28, 2024 15:12:26 GMT
Apparently the home office are paying for a buffer of around 5,000 hotel beds to be kept available in case there is a surge of asylum seekers, it would seem reasonable to switch some of that funding to a quicker processing system. That's going to take time, the civil service cuts resulted in this backlog, there's so much to set up, not just processing here but processing before they get here, tidying up this mess will be a huge task. It's not the answer to add extra hotel beds, that's what is partly stoking up the resentment. We can't have asylum seekers holed up in temporary accommodation for months and years. Offering a legal route would be a game changer in my view, as it would provide a safe and legal route to the UK, the claims could be processed in another country and it would help undermine the business model of the criminal gangs. Migrants would still arrive smuggled in by gangs, but having declined to take a safe and legal route, they are much more likely to be economic migrants, and I think that would also allow their claim to be processed much faster. Time for Labour to actually formulate an actual blueprint and strategy and start spelling it out. They can't go on blaming the Tories forever.
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2024 16:03:37 GMT
That's going to take time, the civil service cuts resulted in this backlog, there's so much to set up, not just processing here but processing before they get here, tidying up this mess will be a huge task. It's not the answer to add extra hotel beds, that's what is partly stoking up the resentment. We can't have asylum seekers holed up in temporary accommodation for months and years. Offering a legal route would be a game changer in my view, as it would provide a safe and legal route to the UK, the claims could be processed in another country and it would help undermine the business model of the criminal gangs. Migrants would still arrive smuggled in by gangs, but having declined to take a safe and legal route, they are much more likely to be economic migrants, and I think that would also allow their claim to be processed much faster. Time for Labour to actually formulate an actual blueprint and strategy and start spelling it out. They can't go on blaming the Tories forever. Well done gents, some reasonable dialogue and discussion today and no abuse. I've got a plan, so I'll leave you all to it, whilst I go and pull some floorboards :-) I will share this with you if you like films and are a true Brit...... based on a true story ..... The Ministry Of Ungentlemanly Warfare. It's the best film of 2024 and includes a bit of political content ;-)
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 28, 2024 16:19:49 GMT
That's going to take time, the civil service cuts resulted in this backlog, there's so much to set up, not just processing here but processing before they get here, tidying up this mess will be a huge task. Indeed but just for clarity that is 5,000 beds over and above the ones in use that they are paying for “just in case”. Apparently it’s costing £15m per week to keep these rooms available, surely a diversion of those funds could help get things up and running more quickly. I'm going to 'out' myself here, as I never publicly say what I do for a living, but ... I'm a Chief Immigration Officer (an Inspector/Chief Inspector in police terms) in Immigration Enforcement. I've been in the job since 2007, starting as an Assistant Immigration Officer. We have 2 sites in our team, with 45 IOs and 10 CIOs across both sites. We cover North Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Gtr Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria Constabularies' areas. We simply haven't got enough staff to cover all the things we have to do. We've lost officers to different teams, or they've left as they'd simply had enough. Somehow, we managed to do all of the additional stuff that is asked off us, on top of the every day stuff that we can't forsake. There's minors interviews, police requests, local authority requests, initiatives from the Home Sec and on it goes. We need at least double the amount of officers that we've got now to be able to do all of that properly. And that's just my team. Every ICE Team up and down the country is in the same boat. The things my team achieve are remarkable, and do make a difference to things, but that takes incredible flexibility and sacrifice on personal levels. Really though, we're just treading water.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 28, 2024 16:28:10 GMT
Indeed but just for clarity that is 5,000 beds over and above the ones in use that they are paying for “just in case”. Apparently it’s costing £15m per week to keep these rooms available, surely a diversion of those funds could help get things up and running more quickly. I'm going to 'out' myself here, as I never publicly say what I do for a living, but ... I'm a Chief Immigration Officer (an Inspector/Chief Inspector in police terms) in Immigration Enforcement. I've been in the job since 2007, starting as an Assistant Immigration Officer. We have 2 sites in our team, with 45 IOs and 10 CIOs across both sites. We cover North Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Gtr Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria Constabularies' areas. We simply haven't got enough staff to cover all the things we have to do. We've lost officers to different teams, or they've left as they'd simply had enough. Somehow, we managed to do all of the additional stuff that is asked off us, on top of the every day stuff that we can't forsake. There's minors interviews, police requests, local authority requests, initiatives from the Home Sec and on it goes. We need at least double the amount of officers that we've got now to be able to do all of that properly. And that's just my team. Every ICE Team up and down the country is in the same boat. The things my team achieve are remarkable, and do make a difference to things, but that takes incredible flexibility and sacrifice on personal levels. Really though, we're just treading water. "In the same boat"... GAAAAHHHHH
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Post by suedehead on Aug 28, 2024 16:39:05 GMT
Indeed but just for clarity that is 5,000 beds over and above the ones in use that they are paying for “just in case”. Apparently it’s costing £15m per week to keep these rooms available, surely a diversion of those funds could help get things up and running more quickly. I'm going to 'out' myself here, as I never publicly say what I do for a living, but ... I'm a Chief Immigration Officer (an Inspector/Chief Inspector in police terms) in Immigration Enforcement. I've been in the job since 2007, starting as an Assistant Immigration Officer. We have 2 sites in our team, with 45 IOs and 10 CIOs across both sites. We cover North Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Gtr Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria Constabularies' areas. We simply haven't got enough staff to cover all the things we have to do. We've lost officers to different teams, or they've left as they'd simply had enough. Somehow, we managed to do all of the additional stuff that is asked off us, on top of the every day stuff that we can't forsake. There's minors interviews, police requests, local authority requests, initiatives from the Home Sec and on it goes. We need at least double the amount of officers that we've got now to be able to do all of that properly. And that's just my team. Every ICE Team up and down the country is in the same boat. The things my team achieve are remarkable, and do make a difference to things, but that takes incredible flexibility and sacrifice on personal levels. Really though, we're just treading water. Yeah, but have you been to Dover yet?
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 28, 2024 16:40:41 GMT
I'm going to 'out' myself here, as I never publicly say what I do for a living, but ... I'm a Chief Immigration Officer (an Inspector/Chief Inspector in police terms) in Immigration Enforcement. I've been in the job since 2007, starting as an Assistant Immigration Officer. We have 2 sites in our team, with 45 IOs and 10 CIOs across both sites. We cover North Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Gtr Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria Constabularies' areas. We simply haven't got enough staff to cover all the things we have to do. We've lost officers to different teams, or they've left as they'd simply had enough. Somehow, we managed to do all of the additional stuff that is asked off us, on top of the every day stuff that we can't forsake. There's minors interviews, police requests, local authority requests, initiatives from the Home Sec and on it goes. We need at least double the amount of officers that we've got now to be able to do all of that properly. And that's just my team. Every ICE Team up and down the country is in the same boat. The things my team achieve are remarkable, and do make a difference to things, but that takes incredible flexibility and sacrifice on personal levels. Really though, we're just treading water. Yeah, but have you been to Dover yet? I've not, but plenty of my colleagues did when it was our responsibility to deal with before, and quite rightly, Border Force took command of the small boat crossings.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Aug 28, 2024 16:41:01 GMT
I'm going to 'out' myself here, as I never publicly say what I do for a living, but ... I'm a Chief Immigration Officer (an Inspector/Chief Inspector in police terms) in Immigration Enforcement. I've been in the job since 2007, starting as an Assistant Immigration Officer. We have 2 sites in our team, with 45 IOs and 10 CIOs across both sites. We cover North Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Gtr Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria Constabularies' areas. We simply haven't got enough staff to cover all the things we have to do. We've lost officers to different teams, or they've left as they'd simply had enough. Somehow, we managed to do all of the additional stuff that is asked off us, on top of the every day stuff that we can't forsake. There's minors interviews, police requests, local authority requests, initiatives from the Home Sec and on it goes. We need at least double the amount of officers that we've got now to be able to do all of that properly. And that's just my team. Every ICE Team up and down the country is in the same boat. The things my team achieve are remarkable, and do make a difference to things, but that takes incredible flexibility and sacrifice on personal levels. Really though, we're just treading water. "In the same boat"... GAAAAHHHHH Ha ha, no pun intended!
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