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Post by vicar on Aug 28, 2024 17:39:20 GMT
That's going to take time, the civil service cuts resulted in this backlog, there's so much to set up, not just processing here but processing before they get here, tidying up this mess will be a huge task. It's not the answer to add extra hotel beds, that's what is partly stoking up the resentment. We can't have asylum seekers holed up in temporary accommodation for months and years. Offering a legal route would be a game changer in my view, as it would provide a safe and legal route to the UK, the claims could be processed in another country and it would help undermine the business model of the criminal gangs. Migrants would still arrive smuggled in by gangs, but having declined to take a safe and legal route, they are much more likely to be economic migrants, and I think that would also allow their claim to be processed much faster. Time for Labour to actually formulate an actual blueprint and strategy and start spelling it out. They can't go on blaming the Tories forever. They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 28, 2024 17:47:04 GMT
It's not the answer to add extra hotel beds, that's what is partly stoking up the resentment. We can't have asylum seekers holed up in temporary accommodation for months and years. Offering a legal route would be a game changer in my view, as it would provide a safe and legal route to the UK, the claims could be processed in another country and it would help undermine the business model of the criminal gangs. Migrants would still arrive smuggled in by gangs, but having declined to take a safe and legal route, they are much more likely to be economic migrants, and I think that would also allow their claim to be processed much faster. Time for Labour to actually formulate an actual blueprint and strategy and start spelling it out. They can't go on blaming the Tories forever. They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change. Don’t you get it? They’d all be in Rwanda now if sTaRmErGeDdOn hadn’t happened. All of them. Every single one. And all that money saved on not putting them up in hotels could now be being spent on the NHS.
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Post by vicar on Aug 28, 2024 17:57:07 GMT
They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change. Don’t you get it? They’d all be in Rwanda now if sTaRmErGeDdOn hadn’t happened. All of them. Every single one. And all that money saved on not putting them up in hotels could now be being spent on the NHS. The way it was going they'd all be here, in the time we sent three volunteers to Rwanda and paid them £4000 each we took 14 from Rwanda.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 28, 2024 18:04:09 GMT
Don’t you get it? They’d all be in Rwanda now if sTaRmErGeDdOn hadn’t happened. All of them. Every single one. And all that money saved on not putting them up in hotels could now be being spent on the NHS. The way it was going they'd all be here, in the time we sent three volunteers to Rwanda and paid them £4000 each we took 14 from Rwanda. LOLZ
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 28, 2024 18:07:04 GMT
Indeed but just for clarity that is 5,000 beds over and above the ones in use that they are paying for “just in case”. Apparently it’s costing £15m per week to keep these rooms available, surely a diversion of those funds could help get things up and running more quickly. I'm going to 'out' myself here, as I never publicly say what I do for a living, but ... I'm a Chief Immigration Officer (an Inspector/Chief Inspector in police terms) in Immigration Enforcement. I've been in the job since 2007, starting as an Assistant Immigration Officer. We have 2 sites in our team, with 45 IOs and 10 CIOs across both sites. We cover North Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Gtr Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria Constabularies' areas. We simply haven't got enough staff to cover all the things we have to do. We've lost officers to different teams, or they've left as they'd simply had enough. Somehow, we managed to do all of the additional stuff that is asked off us, on top of the every day stuff that we can't forsake. There's minors interviews, police requests, local authority requests, initiatives from the Home Sec and on it goes. We need at least double the amount of officers that we've got now to be able to do all of that properly. And that's just my team. Every ICE Team up and down the country is in the same boat. The things my team achieve are remarkable, and do make a difference to things, but that takes incredible flexibility and sacrifice on personal levels. Really though, we're just treading water. I’m sure the likes of Serco and G4S had been fully briefed by the previous Home Secretary in expectation of a different outcome at the general election. Reduced civil service headcount, and more money going to the kinds of companies ex-MPs like to sit on the boards of: win/win!
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Post by nelly on Aug 28, 2024 18:52:29 GMT
It's not the answer to add extra hotel beds, that's what is partly stoking up the resentment. We can't have asylum seekers holed up in temporary accommodation for months and years. Offering a legal route would be a game changer in my view, as it would provide a safe and legal route to the UK, the claims could be processed in another country and it would help undermine the business model of the criminal gangs. Migrants would still arrive smuggled in by gangs, but having declined to take a safe and legal route, they are much more likely to be economic migrants, and I think that would also allow their claim to be processed much faster. Time for Labour to actually formulate an actual blueprint and strategy and start spelling it out. They can't go on blaming the Tories forever. Well done gents, some reasonable dialogue and discussion today and no abuse. I've got a plan, so I'll leave you all to it, whilst I go and pull some floorboards :-) I will share this with you if you like films and are a true Brit...... based on a true story ..... The Ministry Of Ungentlemanly Warfare. It's the best film of 2024 and includes a bit of political content ;-) Do one middle of the road Fascist.
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Post by redhatter on Aug 28, 2024 22:30:44 GMT
It's not the answer to add extra hotel beds, that's what is partly stoking up the resentment. We can't have asylum seekers holed up in temporary accommodation for months and years. Offering a legal route would be a game changer in my view, as it would provide a safe and legal route to the UK, the claims could be processed in another country and it would help undermine the business model of the criminal gangs. Migrants would still arrive smuggled in by gangs, but having declined to take a safe and legal route, they are much more likely to be economic migrants, and I think that would also allow their claim to be processed much faster. Time for Labour to actually formulate an actual blueprint and strategy and start spelling it out. They can't go on blaming the Tories forever. They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change. I'm not asking them to do this in a few weeks, what I'm asking is they outline their plan and vision for the country. Labour talked about creating safe and legal routes before the election, but now there is absolutely no mention of it, even as an objective. They clearly want to pin the blame for the £22 billion black hole on the Tories and provide cover for what will be a harsh budget in October and I totally get that, but the approach Starmer is taking is so negative and depressing. It won't work much longer, people voted for Change, we want hope, but all we are getting is more of the same and people will become sick of it very quickly. Tony Blair and New Labour outlined a very optimistic outlook for the country and set about delivering. We saw a very ambitious programme in the first 100 days. It would be good to see some positivity from Starmer.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Aug 29, 2024 0:54:54 GMT
They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change. I'm not asking them to do this in a few weeks, what I'm asking is they outline their plan and vision for the country. Labour talked about creating safe and legal routes before the election, but now there is absolutely no mention of it, even as an objective. They clearly want to pin the blame for the £22 billion black hole on the Tories and provide cover for what will be a harsh budget in October and I totally get that, but the approach Starmer is taking is so negative and depressing. It won't work much longer, people voted for Change, we want hope, but all we are getting is more of the same and people will become sick of it very quickly. Tony Blair and New Labour outlined a very optimistic outlook for the country and set about delivering. We saw a very ambitious programme in the first 100 days. It would be good to see some positivity from Starmer. I kept being told that Starmer would be bold once he got into power. That he was downplaying things to win the election. I guess I'll keep hoping it's just early days...
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Post by tvor on Aug 29, 2024 6:16:59 GMT
They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change. I'm not asking them to do this in a few weeks, what I'm asking is they outline their plan and vision for the country. Labour talked about creating safe and legal routes before the election, but now there is absolutely no mention of it, even as an objective. They clearly want to pin the blame for the £22 billion black hole on the Tories and provide cover for what will be a harsh budget in October and I totally get that, but the approach Starmer is taking is so negative and depressing. It won't work much longer, people voted for Change, we want hope, but all we are getting is more of the same and people will become sick of it very quickly. Tony Blair and New Labour outlined a very optimistic outlook for the country and set about delivering. We saw a very ambitious programme in the first 100 days. It would be good to see some positivity from Starmer. Spot on Red Hatter. Unlike some people in the UK who want to see Starmer and the country fail, there are tens of thousands of middle of the road punters even wild extreme right wing Conservatives (LOL) who want to see the country prosper irrespective of which political party is in power. Somebody said on the radio the other day that Starmers speech was the most downbeat one since the announcement that we were going to war back in the 1940's
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 29, 2024 6:22:07 GMT
Which people want the country to fail? Other than those backed by Russian money, obviously?
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 29, 2024 7:10:06 GMT
Which people want the country to fail? Other than those backed by Russian money, obviously? I think you’ll find that’s also known as “The Conservative and Unionist Party”. Nigel Farage is of course also not averse to payment in roubles.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 29, 2024 7:32:49 GMT
Which people want the country to fail? Other than those backed by Russian money, obviously? I think you’ll find that’s also known as “The Conservative and Unionist Party”. Nigel Farage is of course also not averse to payment in roubles. Or payment in any other currency really, he’ll pocket owt
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Post by vicar on Aug 29, 2024 9:05:33 GMT
They've been in power a matter of weeks, you just can't get this stuff up and running in that time, I honestly think it's going to take at least a year to see any change. I'm not asking them to do this in a few weeks, what I'm asking is they outline their plan and vision for the country. Labour talked about creating safe and legal routes before the election, but now there is absolutely no mention of it, even as an objective. They clearly want to pin the blame for the £22 billion black hole on the Tories and provide cover for what will be a harsh budget in October and I totally get that, but the approach Starmer is taking is so negative and depressing. It won't work much longer, people voted for Change, we want hope, but all we are getting is more of the same and people will become sick of it very quickly. Tony Blair and New Labour outlined a very optimistic outlook for the country and set about delivering. We saw a very ambitious programme in the first 100 days. It would be good to see some positivity from Starmer. This is where time comes into it you have to do the ground work, today he's meeting Macron and I'm absolutely sure he'll discuss the channel crossings and put his ideas to him, it's all part of building trust and convincing our neighbours that we've changed.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Aug 29, 2024 10:09:24 GMT
I'm not asking them to do this in a few weeks, what I'm asking is they outline their plan and vision for the country. Labour talked about creating safe and legal routes before the election, but now there is absolutely no mention of it, even as an objective. They clearly want to pin the blame for the £22 billion black hole on the Tories and provide cover for what will be a harsh budget in October and I totally get that, but the approach Starmer is taking is so negative and depressing. It won't work much longer, people voted for Change, we want hope, but all we are getting is more of the same and people will become sick of it very quickly. Tony Blair and New Labour outlined a very optimistic outlook for the country and set about delivering. We saw a very ambitious programme in the first 100 days. It would be good to see some positivity from Starmer. Spot on Red Hatter. Unlike some people in the UK who want to see Starmer and the country fail, there are tens of thousands of middle of the road punters even wild extreme right wing Conservatives (LOL) who want to see the country prosper irrespective of which political party is in power. Somebody said on the radio the other day that Starmers speech was the most downbeat one since the announcement that we were going to war back in the 1940's When a party inherits a Country so broken that they cannot lock up their criminals it asks the question what else is hiding behind the curtain. KS isn't a Blair of thankfully a Johnson and he doesn't have a box of hats like Truss has / had. Positivity will come about when Starmer knows exactly what he has in front of him. If he goes laugh a minute Johnson he will get hammered in the press (though he probably will regardless of whatever he does). I expected some form of financial shortfall and the usual lie lie deny afterwards. It was always in the pipeline with the Tories certain that Labour would end up increasing taxes (at the moment they are confident that they won't have to) and rely on recouping the shortfall from elsewhere (unless more comes to light). Good coming from a party that has seen Taxation rise to its highest level since 1948. Also which war in the 1940s was announced in the most downbeat fashion prior to (presumably) KS's statement in the Rose Garden?.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Aug 29, 2024 10:16:37 GMT
Spot on Red Hatter. Unlike some people in the UK who want to see Starmer and the country fail, there are tens of thousands of middle of the road punters even wild extreme right wing Conservatives (LOL) who want to see the country prosper irrespective of which political party is in power. Somebody said on the radio the other day that Starmers speech was the most downbeat one since the announcement that we were going to war back in the 1940's When a party inherits a Country so broken that they cannot lock up their criminals it asks the question what else is hiding behind the curtain. KS isn't a Blair of thankfully a Johnson and he doesn't have a box of hats like Truss has / had. Positivity will come about when Starmer knows exactly what he has in front of him. If he goes laugh a minute Johnson he will get hammered in the press (though he probably will regardless of whatever he does). I expected some form of financial shortfall and the usual lie lie deny afterwards. It was always in the pipeline with the Tories certain that Labour would end up increasing taxes (at the moment they are confident that they won't have to) and rely on recouping the shortfall from elsewhere (unless more comes to light). Good coming from a party that has seen Taxation rise to its highest level since 1948. Also which war in the 1940s was announced in the most downbeat fashion prior to (presumably) KS's statement in the Rose Garden?. Operation Masterdom?
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