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Post by timberwolf on Sept 10, 2024 8:29:06 GMT
The mega rich don’t put into the system. Every penny they acquire and scurry away is money being taken out of the system. You and I are the ones who put in. With every hour we work and every penny we spend. and many of them will find there way into a honours list sometime in their lives. people need to realise that governments cannot take it all, and the more you do earn then the more tax you pay. is some system as simple as that so difficult for people to get their greedy heads around instead of doing their utmost to avoid paying anything.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 10, 2024 8:33:31 GMT
I don't really understand that tbh. If I wasn't paying the tax I owe each year I'm certain I'd be punished for it. If these figures are accurate then why I aren't they going after those businesses? If they aren't then how are they working it out? This all reads like those are sums of money HMRC knows they're owed but they don't receive. I don't understand how that can be the case. I'd be getting very angry letters very quickly and then (I assume) a court summons. The underlying narrative is that HMRC believes it’s been cut back so much over the years that it can’t collect the tax it’s owed. Much the same as the rest of the public sector that’s now no longer deemed to be mission-capable. It’s a different issue to tax policies that allow those with the most to keep the most, however. Exactly. They,d be happy to spend a tenner to get a fiver out of us but still have legal loopholes for the mega rich before they need to go down the illegal routes.
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Post by The Real Exile on Sept 10, 2024 8:40:33 GMT
It's not just Kebab shops, plenty of barbers and takeaways are doing the same.
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Post by Bilby on Sept 10, 2024 8:56:14 GMT
You've been fooled here by the standard millionaire bluff. A mere 27 years since Andrew Lloyd-Webber's pledge to leave the UK if Blair was elected, he's still not got round to it yet. Frank Bruno also insisted in 1997 he'd leave. Paul Daniels was definitely going to do it, but procrastinated for so long he died. And to his credit Jim Davidson actually did bugger off, although we still had to suffer him for seven more years.
People who parrot right wing think tanks would like you to believe rich Brits' lives are highly flexible, but that does not reconcile with reality. A network of friends and family, ties to the local community, kids settled in school, lifelong memories tied to the place you live, a spouse that doesn't want to live abroad, as a few examples where the financial savings are often not worth it when set against the opportunity cost of the things you realise are enriching your quality of life.
Loads of these divs avoid tax by setting up companies in places around the world with low tax rates anyway, they're all maggots.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Who wouldn't avoid paying tax? Evasion is the crime.The Australian (Labour) Government is creating waves by:1. Proposing to ban Social Media use by Under 16's with opposition support- yeh like that will work! 2. Banning Vapes unless with a prescription from a pharmacy!" From 1 July 2024, vapes will only be available at pharmacies to help people quit smoking or manage their nicotine dependence. It is illegal for retailers, such as tobacconists, vape shops and convenience stores, to sell any type of vape whether it has nicotine in it or not." If visiting Australia you can bring in up to 50 cigs in one open and one sealed pack and you all know the prices of cigs here hence a monster industry in illegal tobacco importation and local mass cultivation 1. Australia 29.99 $ 2. New Zealand 24.59 $ 3. United Kingdom 18.30 $ 4. Ireland 17.66 $ 5. Canada 14.10 $ 6. Norway 13.83 $ 7. Hong Kong (China) 13.08 $ 8. Singapore 12.87 $ 9. France 12.70 $ 10. Netherlands 11.04 $ 11. Finland 11.04 $ 12. Switzerland 10.61 $ 13. United States 10.00 $ 14. Israel 9.56 $ 15. Belgium 9.38 $ 16. Germany 9.05 $ 17. Sri Lanka 8.97 $ 18. Denmark 8.88 $ 19. Saudi Arabia 7.46 $ 20. Palestine 7.17 $ 21. Sweden 6.74 $ 22. Italy 6.62 $ 23. Austria 6.62 $ 24. Qatar 6.58 $ 25. Czech Republic 6.50 $ 26. Luxembourg 6.35 $ 27. Malta 6.29 $ 28. United Arab Emirates 6.26 $ 29. Hungary 6.12 $ 30. Portugal 6.07 $ 31. Estonia 6.07 $ 32. Ecuador 6.00 $ 33. Spain 5.91 $ 34. Mauritius 5.89 $ 35. Oman 5.71 $ 36. Slovenia 5.63 $ 37. Romania 5.55 $ 38. Slovakia 5.52 $ 39. Lithuania 5.52 $ 40. Cyprus 5.52 $ 41. Panama 5.50 $ 42. Chile 5.30 $ 43. Croatia 5.30 $ 44. Latvia 5.29 $ 45. Peru 5.26 $ 46. Uruguay 5.20 $ 47. Greece 5.08 $ 48. Poland 4.91 $ 49. Costa Rica 4.75 $ 50. Thailand 4.26 $ 51. Japan 4.19 $ 52. India 4.17 $ 53. Malaysia 4.13 $ 54. Morocco 4.00 $ 55. Venezuela 4.00 $ 56. Montenegro 3.97 $ 57. Serbia 3.96 $ 58. Albania 3.87 $ 59. Mexico 3.81 $ 60. Taiwan 3.73 $ 61. Cuba 3.60 $ 62. Azerbaijan 3.53 $ 63. Jordan 3.53 $ 64. China 3.51 $ 65. Bosnia And Herzegovina 3.50 $ 66. Bulgaria 3.39 $ 67. South Korea 3.35 $ 68. Tunisia 3.27 $ 69. Kuwait 3.19 $ 70. Nepal 2.98 $ 71. Georgia 2.97 $ 72. South Africa 2.91 $ 73. Bolivia 2.89 $ 74. North Macedonia 2.87 $ 75. Philippines 2.76 $ 76. Kenya 2.72 $ 77. Bangladesh 2.68 $ 78. Algeria 2.65 $ 79. Armenia 2.58 $ 80. Indonesia 2.46 $ 81. Colombia 2.39 $ 82. Russia 2.32 $ 83. Ukraine 2.19 $ 84. Brazil 2.15 $ 85. Libya 2.10 $ 86. Uzbekistan 2.00 $ 87. Iraq 2.00 $ 88. Iran 2.00 $ 89. Argentina 2.00 $ 90. Pakistan 1.97 $ 91. Turkey 1.97 $ 92. Egypt 1.86 $ 93. Kazakhstan 1.77 $ 94. Belarus 1.53 $ 95. Vietnam 1.37 $ perhaps Mr Starmer/Ms Reeves could add a fiver to a pack of 20. That would help the economy
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 10, 2024 9:00:10 GMT
It's not just Kebab shops, plenty of barbers and takeaways are doing the same. How much of that has the Grey Economy rather than a desire to evade tax as the root cause, however? It’s all very well saying the most skilled and qualified immigrants will be welcomed with open arms under an Australia-style points-based immigration system, but then if native Brits don’t want to cut hair or deliver pizzas for a living and there isn’t the option of bringing someone in from abroad legally then of course those business are going to have to operate outside the bounds of the legitimate economy. I bet your average barber or Deliveroo rider would love to get paid holiday and be enrolled in a workplace pension, although I also appreciate there are people out there like builders who are doing it primarily to be “tax efficient”. When we had a new kitchen fitted, the guy would only accept cash-in-hand (the shop didn’t tell us this at the time otherwise we probably wouldn’t have got it from there). So we paid him in fifties - good luck spending them down Tesco’s…
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 10, 2024 9:04:20 GMT
It would help the black economy for a start with smokers finding from other smokers finding where you can get cheap ones from. Like the illegal drugs industry where users have the information for their habit but the country losing millions because they cannot be obtained legally. Question is would drug use increase or not if these drugs became legal.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 10, 2024 9:20:01 GMT
I don't really understand that tbh. If I wasn't paying the tax I owe each year I'm certain I'd be punished for it. If these figures are accurate then why I aren't they going after those businesses? If they aren't then how are they working it out? This all reads like those are sums of money HMRC knows they're owed but they don't receive. I don't understand how that can be the case. I'd be getting very angry letters very quickly and then (I assume) a court summons. The underlying narrative is that HMRC believes it’s been cut back so much over the years that it can’t collect the tax it’s owed. Much the same as the rest of the public sector that’s now no longer deemed to be mission-capable. It’s a different issue to tax policies that allow those with the most to keep the most, however. But surely the cutbacks means HMRC can’t investigate suspected underpaying, not fail in “collecting tax”. Nobody collects my tax I file my return and it automatically calculates what I owe, which I then pay. The amount of staff they have only comes into play when I am calling them for advice and information. Which I know is mentioned in the first article but cuts both ways - since people call that number to clarify if they can claim for certain things.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 10, 2024 9:22:02 GMT
It's not just Kebab shops, plenty of barbers and takeaways are doing the same. Just an aside but last time I went to Whitby I found it interesting that most shops were either card only or cash only. A lot would only take one or the other but not both. I get why in a way (only one form of banking fees required) but just thought it was interesting that both methods seemed to be thriving.
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Post by The Real Exile on Sept 10, 2024 9:30:26 GMT
It's not just Kebab shops, plenty of barbers and takeaways are doing the same. Just an aside but last time I went to Whitby I found it interesting that most shops were either card only or cash only. A lot would only take one or the other but not both. I get why in a way (only one form of banking fees required) but just thought it was interesting that both methods seemed to be thriving. A lot of it is down to costs, hence some shops still operate a minimum transaction value for cards. Was similar in Scarborough with a mix of cash and card only places.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 10, 2024 9:34:59 GMT
Loads of these divs avoid tax by setting up companies in places around the world with low tax rates anyway, they're all maggots.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Who wouldn't avoid paying tax? Evasion is the crime.The Australian (Labour) Government is creating waves by:1. Proposing to ban Social Media use by Under 16's with opposition support- yeh like that will work! 2. Banning Vapes unless with a prescription from a pharmacy!" From 1 July 2024, vapes will only be available at pharmacies to help people quit smoking or manage their nicotine dependence. It is illegal for retailers, such as tobacconists, vape shops and convenience stores, to sell any type of vape whether it has nicotine in it or not." If visiting Australia you can bring in up to 50 cigs in one open and one sealed pack and you all know the prices of cigs here hence a monster industry in illegal tobacco importation and local mass cultivation 1. Australia 29.99 $ 2. New Zealand 24.59 $ 3. United Kingdom 18.30 $ 4. Ireland 17.66 $ 5. Canada 14.10 $ 6. Norway 13.83 $ 7. Hong Kong (China) 13.08 $ 8. Singapore 12.87 $ 9. France 12.70 $ 10. Netherlands 11.04 $ 11. Finland 11.04 $ 12. Switzerland 10.61 $ 13. United States 10.00 $ 14. Israel 9.56 $ 15. Belgium 9.38 $ 16. Germany 9.05 $ 17. Sri Lanka 8.97 $ 18. Denmark 8.88 $ 19. Saudi Arabia 7.46 $ 20. Palestine 7.17 $ 21. Sweden 6.74 $ 22. Italy 6.62 $ 23. Austria 6.62 $ 24. Qatar 6.58 $ 25. Czech Republic 6.50 $ 26. Luxembourg 6.35 $ 27. Malta 6.29 $ 28. United Arab Emirates 6.26 $ 29. Hungary 6.12 $ 30. Portugal 6.07 $ 31. Estonia 6.07 $ 32. Ecuador 6.00 $ 33. Spain 5.91 $ 34. Mauritius 5.89 $ 35. Oman 5.71 $ 36. Slovenia 5.63 $ 37. Romania 5.55 $ 38. Slovakia 5.52 $ 39. Lithuania 5.52 $ 40. Cyprus 5.52 $ 41. Panama 5.50 $ 42. Chile 5.30 $ 43. Croatia 5.30 $ 44. Latvia 5.29 $ 45. Peru 5.26 $ 46. Uruguay 5.20 $ 47. Greece 5.08 $ 48. Poland 4.91 $ 49. Costa Rica 4.75 $ 50. Thailand 4.26 $ 51. Japan 4.19 $ 52. India 4.17 $ 53. Malaysia 4.13 $ 54. Morocco 4.00 $ 55. Venezuela 4.00 $ 56. Montenegro 3.97 $ 57. Serbia 3.96 $ 58. Albania 3.87 $ 59. Mexico 3.81 $ 60. Taiwan 3.73 $ 61. Cuba 3.60 $ 62. Azerbaijan 3.53 $ 63. Jordan 3.53 $ 64. China 3.51 $ 65. Bosnia And Herzegovina 3.50 $ 66. Bulgaria 3.39 $ 67. South Korea 3.35 $ 68. Tunisia 3.27 $ 69. Kuwait 3.19 $ 70. Nepal 2.98 $ 71. Georgia 2.97 $ 72. South Africa 2.91 $ 73. Bolivia 2.89 $ 74. North Macedonia 2.87 $ 75. Philippines 2.76 $ 76. Kenya 2.72 $ 77. Bangladesh 2.68 $ 78. Algeria 2.65 $ 79. Armenia 2.58 $ 80. Indonesia 2.46 $ 81. Colombia 2.39 $ 82. Russia 2.32 $ 83. Ukraine 2.19 $ 84. Brazil 2.15 $ 85. Libya 2.10 $ 86. Uzbekistan 2.00 $ 87. Iraq 2.00 $ 88. Iran 2.00 $ 89. Argentina 2.00 $ 90. Pakistan 1.97 $ 91. Turkey 1.97 $ 92. Egypt 1.86 $ 93. Kazakhstan 1.77 $ 94. Belarus 1.53 $ 95. Vietnam 1.37 $ perhaps Mr Starmer/Ms Reeves could add a fiver to a pack of 20. That would help the economy I am an enormous advocate for vaping. I kicked a 20-40 a day habit (such a wide range because it depended on what I was doing that day) through vaping and haven’t touched a cigarette since. But that’s because I treated vaping as a tool to quit smoking. Not as a new habit. I set myself rules and boundaries on it and cut my nicotine intake over time. Eventually after reaching zero nicotine I found myself initially vaping more, but then slowly and unconsciously stopping. Despite what every smoker, or moreso social smoker, seems to claim kicking the nicotine is the most brutal part of the process. Vaping works as a method of going to no nicotine because the drug going is the only thing that changes at the end. I’ve had people, who knew how much I smoked before and who witnessed how I kicked it with vaping, come to me for advice. I even had a friend who I took to a vape shop to pick out a device for him and told him all the rules I set myself to follow. Years later he now vapes more than he ever smoked, and all the time. In his house, in pubs when he thinks he can get away with it. He’s quit smoking but now has a worse habit overall (and while we know the fluid that produces the haze is harmless we don’t know the impact inhaling the flavourings will have long term on people’s lungs. Chuck in that kids and young adults who have never smoked are picking up vaping is why I have a degree of sympathy for the argument about it being heavily regulated and potentially made prescription only. Or even something you require a licence to purchase from recognised stores. I’m opposed to banning flavours and shrinking the size of tanks and things like that as it won’t do anything to prevent people abusing it but will make it less appealing as a smoking cessation tool. The flavourings were part of the appeal on first making the switch. But leaving it in the hands of the free market is creating more problems than it will solve.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 10, 2024 9:36:08 GMT
Just an aside but last time I went to Whitby I found it interesting that most shops were either card only or cash only. A lot would only take one or the other but not both. I get why in a way (only one form of banking fees required) but just thought it was interesting that both methods seemed to be thriving. A lot of it is down to costs, hence some shops still operate a minimum transaction value for cards. Was similar in Scarborough with a mix of cash and card only places. I did mention that in my post. If you go card only you don’t have to pay to bank cash (or worse have it collected). Nor do you have the same security risk. If you go cash only you don’t have to deal with the card fees. Doing both leaves you with two sets of fees.
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Post by Waldorf on Sept 10, 2024 9:44:57 GMT
The more money people have, the more tight they seem to get.
A mate of mine (a good, decent person) once told me that he'd asked for his final qtr sales bonus to go into the next financial year as the bonus meant he'd creep over £100K for the year, meaning he'd have to pay nursery fees. The year after his kid started school so it didn't matter what bonus he got then.
I remember at the time wondering whether I'd be the same and it was a sensible thing to do, or whether it was peevish.
I'm still not sure in truth.
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Post by desmond on Sept 10, 2024 9:48:09 GMT
The more money people have, the more tight they seem to get. A mate of mine (a good, decent person) once told me that he'd asked for his final qtr sales bonus to go into the next financial year as the bonus meant he'd creep over £100K for the year, meaning he'd have to pay nursery fees. The year after his kid started school so it didn't matter what bonus he got then. I remember at the time wondering whether I'd be the same and it was a sensible thing to do, or whether it was peevish. I'm still not sure in truth. If you go over £100k you pay another higher rate of tax on it until it levels out again once you reach £125k.
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Post by timberwolf on Sept 10, 2024 9:48:27 GMT
A lot of it is down to costs, hence some shops still operate a minimum transaction value for cards. Was similar in Scarborough with a mix of cash and card only places. I did mention that in my post. If you go card only you don’t have to pay to bank cash (or worse have it collected). Nor do you have the same security risk. If you go cash only you don’t have to deal with the card fees. Doing both leaves you with two sets of fees. At times you would think businesses are set up for the owner rather than the conveniance of customers. Cash and card payments have gone along together without many problems for years now but only recently it seems to have become problem. It will always be horses for courses for me. Small transactions cash larger ones card. It always brings a smile to my face when i see someone paying a quid or less car parking fee by phone but would equally find it odd someone paying £5,000 in cash for a second hand car as i did once.
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Post by Waldorf on Sept 10, 2024 9:52:34 GMT
The more money people have, the more tight they seem to get. A mate of mine (a good, decent person) once told me that he'd asked for his final qtr sales bonus to go into the next financial year as the bonus meant he'd creep over £100K for the year, meaning he'd have to pay nursery fees. The year after his kid started school so it didn't matter what bonus he got then. I remember at the time wondering whether I'd be the same and it was a sensible thing to do, or whether it was peevish. I'm still not sure in truth. If you go over £100k you pay another higher rate of tax on it until it levels out again once you reach £125k. I know, but this was about the 30 (i think) hours free childcare you get when your kid is at a certain age. If you earn a penny over £100k, you don't get the hours.
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