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Post by Henry Pratt on Jul 31, 2020 21:15:08 GMT
Oh, so you would have preferred Lord Arthur Scargill would you? Or Lord Lineker of FBPE? Or Lord Hugo Chavez?
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Post by HTC on Jul 31, 2020 21:59:46 GMT
Don’t think there are any Tories posting here are there? The relentless left wing good / right wing bad narrative seems to have scared them off.
Obviously, I know I’m far worse than an actual Tory as a ‘Centrist Dad Red Tory Blairite Scumbag who should just f*ck off and vote Tory’ because despite never having voted Tory in my life I thought Corbyn was just as bad as the current dickhead in number 10 so voted for neither.
But the Lords - normal bunch of experienced / past-it (Delete according to taste) ex-politicians, party donors, and a random tabloid pleaser. Same as it ever was. I’d still rather they (or an alternate second chamber) had the ability to say ‘hang on a minute, have you really thought this through?’ than the HOC could pass legislation unchallenged though...
(And I know you were joking, but would you be surprised to see Lineker get offered a peerage at some point? I wouldn’t)
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Post by vicar on Aug 1, 2020 8:52:14 GMT
I'm also centrist and think Blair was the best PM in my lifetime until the obvious but this rewarding of brexiteers is rubbing salt in the wounds and as for scaring tories off? It's just discussion on a message board, anyway Desmond hasn't been scared off.
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Post by desmond on Aug 1, 2020 9:49:39 GMT
I'm also centrist and think Blair was the best PM in my lifetime until the obvious but this rewarding of brexiteers is rubbing salt in the wounds and as for scaring tories off? It's just discussion on a message board, anyway Desmond hasn't been scared off. To be honest I don’t reply as much as I could partly down to some of the “pile ons” we see on here from some.’even in this thread we’ve got people using terms like Tory scum and threads frequently descend into vitriolic abuse being thrown around. I find it sad really that people talk like that about other people purely based on having different political views. Do people who throw such insults not realise that they likely have friends and family who hold different views? Do they hold them in so much contempt or is this just the way they act on a message board. People of our age were brought up in a time when our elders would often say don’t talk about politics or religion, and there seems to be some merit to that. Ps. I’m more Tory than any other party but I come from a family of labour supporters, have voted labour in the distant past and was a member of NUPE for a while so am not politically naive.
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Post by vicar on Aug 1, 2020 9:58:54 GMT
I'm also centrist and think Blair was the best PM in my lifetime until the obvious but this rewarding of brexiteers is rubbing salt in the wounds and as for scaring tories off? It's just discussion on a message board, anyway Desmond hasn't been scared off. To be honest I don’t reply as much as I could partly down to some of the “pile ons” we see on here from some.’even in this thread we’ve got people using terms like Tory scum and threads frequently descend into vitriolic abuse being thrown around. I find it sad really that people talk like that about other people purely based on having different political views. Do people who throw such insults not realise that they likely have friends and family who hold different views? Do they hold them in so much contempt or is this just the way they act on a message board. People of our age were brought up in a time when our elders would often say don’t talk about politics or religion, and there seems to be some merit to that. Ps. I’m more Tory than any other party but I come from a family of labour supporters, have voted labour in the distant past and was a member of NUPE for a while so am not politically naive. Most of my mates share your views, I think it's an age thing and I do agree with you about the "pile ons" it shouldn't happen but politics is something I and others feel very strongly about, I dislike this govt more than Thatcher's and that's down to brexit but I'll not fall out with my mates over it.
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Post by hedleyverity on Aug 1, 2020 10:04:48 GMT
Peerages for Brexit supporters are par for the course, one for his brother is Johnson taking the piss but Lebedev is him pulling his pants down and mooning
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Post by desmond on Aug 1, 2020 10:21:32 GMT
Peerages for Brexit supporters are par for the course, one for his brother is Johnson taking the piss but Lebedev is him pulling his pants down and mooning And for the record, I don’t agree with the way that peerages are handed out and it’s been abused by all sides over the years to reward friends.
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Post by vicar on Aug 1, 2020 12:41:40 GMT
Or alternatively, both systems are democratic. Having said that, I have to say it seems very odd to be able to simultaneously hold the position that the U.K. is not democratic (due to FPTP, and an unelected second chamber with no power to propose laws) , whereas the EU is utterly democratic (where most positions of power come nowhere near a public vote) FPTP is not democracy and no amount of whataboutery changes that.
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Post by BWScarf on Aug 1, 2020 12:59:17 GMT
Don’t think there are any Tories posting here are there? The relentless left wing good / right wing bad narrative seems to have scared them off. Obviously, I know I’m far worse than an actual Tory as a ‘Centrist Dad Red Tory Blairite Scumbag who should just f*ck off and vote Tory’ because despite never having voted Tory in my life I thought Corbyn was just as bad as the current dickhead in number 10 so voted for neither. But the Lords - normal bunch of experienced / past-it (Delete according to taste) ex-politicians, party donors, and a random tabloid pleaser. Same as it ever was. I’d still rather they (or an alternate second chamber) had the ability to say ‘hang on a minute, have you really thought this through?’ than the HOC could pass legislation unchallenged though... (And I know you were joking, but would you be surprised to see Lineker get offered a peerage at some point? I wouldn’t) The slight irony of the Corbynistas who screeched ‘f*ck off and join the Tories’ for four or five years was, many were then indignant when many people did indeed f*ck off, and join (or at least vote for) the Tories. As for the Lords... people have been talking about Lords reform for decades. Even Blair with a 3-figure majority didn’t get massive change through. I’m all for an alternative, but people who want an elected second chamber would be disappointed by what the makeup of that chamber might look like.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 16:30:18 GMT
Peerages for Brexit supporters are par for the course, one for his brother is Johnson taking the piss but Lebedev is him pulling his pants down and mooning Shami Chakrabarti life peerage. Enough said.
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Post by vicar on Aug 4, 2020 9:11:52 GMT
The government has now given a 3 million pound contract to Topham Guering, the PR company who helped them win the election and there was no competetive tendering process, it's okay spending tory party money but this is tax payers money, there's far too much of our money going to their friends.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 10, 2020 17:55:50 GMT
Still, good to take back control after Brexit, hey? Eh? Oh.
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Post by Nik on Aug 10, 2020 18:16:24 GMT
This whole refugee 'invasion' is such bullshit. No-one in their right mind comes here for the benefits, to which they're not entitled anyway, except £37 a week on a pre-paid card.
The only time they're entitled to actual benefits like you or I is if they're granted asylum, at which point they've been determined to be genuinely in need of asylum.
And I know it's been done to death, but it is pretty funny seeing the 'All Lives Matter' brigade all of a sudden deciding that all lives don't matter anymore.
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Post by vicar on Aug 10, 2020 21:54:51 GMT
This whole refugee 'invasion' is such bullshit. No-one in their right mind comes here for the benefits, to which they're not entitled anyway, except £37 a week on a pre-paid card. The only time they're entitled to actual benefits like you or I is if they're granted asylum, at which point they've been determined to be genuinely in need of asylum. And I know it's been done to death, but it is pretty funny seeing the 'All Lives Matter' brigade all of a sudden deciding that all lives don't matter anymore. A report on the news suggested brexit could actually make it more difficult for us to remove these people.
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Post by Nik on Aug 11, 2020 6:19:18 GMT
This whole refugee 'invasion' is such bullshit. No-one in their right mind comes here for the benefits, to which they're not entitled anyway, except £37 a week on a pre-paid card. The only time they're entitled to actual benefits like you or I is if they're granted asylum, at which point they've been determined to be genuinely in need of asylum. And I know it's been done to death, but it is pretty funny seeing the 'All Lives Matter' brigade all of a sudden deciding that all lives don't matter anymore. A report on the news suggested brexit could actually make it more difficult for us to remove these people. Yeah it will. The tweet that suedehead posted explains it. The agreement that allows us to send refugees back to another EU country where they've previously claimed asylum will end at the end of the transition period and we'll also no longer by allowed to enter French waters without permissions, so once the boats reach UK waters we'll be obliged by law to assist in bringing it to the shore. There's a wonderful irony in that.
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