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Post by Mozzer on Jun 22, 2020 4:25:31 GMT
That tweet affords the dubious and tired pleasure of seeing the victims of racism being blamed for racism because they complain about racism. 'You make people racist by pointing out that there are still race issues in 21st Century Britain. If you hadn't said that, I wouldn't have had to make a thick-as-pigshit, racist remark on social media.' f*ck off, racist.
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Post by vicar on Jun 22, 2020 7:07:18 GMT
No need, they know they've got half the country and that's all they need as long as the other half don't get organised, this is where Cummings has got it right, May tried to appeal to the majority and that meant softening the message, Express readers don't want that. Cummings understands the power of shoring your base. So does Trump There's millions of them out there and it's like politicians didn't realise before Farage came along, last year I went in a shop and asked if they had some black mastic, tne bloke replied "can you say black these days" fully expecting me to join him in a little rant about PC, probably because I'm knocking on a bit but the fact he even said it shows that he probably usually gets his little moan. I just said course you can say black and he said 2nd aisle on the left, these people now have their leader and he could take some shifting, Europe's highest death toll won't be enough. |
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Post by redhatter on Jun 22, 2020 8:05:40 GMT
There's millions of them out there and it's like politicians didn't realise before Farage came along, last year I went in a shop and asked if they had some black mastic, tne bloke replied "can you say black these days" fully expecting me to join him in a little rant about PC, probably because I'm knocking on a bit but the fact he even said it shows that he probably usually gets his little moan. I just said course you can say black and he said 2nd aisle on the left, these people now have their leader and he could take some shifting, Europe's highest death toll won't be enough.
Should have just punched him vic! Firm, but fair!
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Post by heatonhatter on Jun 22, 2020 8:36:16 GMT
They don't even hide it anymore. Judging 14 million Conservative voters by a handful of tweets makes as much sense as judging all football fans by the actions of a handful of hooligans, or judging Muslims by the actions of a handful of extremists. |
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Post by bigmartin on Jun 22, 2020 8:43:13 GMT
They don't even hide it anymore. Judging 14 million Conservative voters by a handful of tweets makes as much sense as judging all football fans by the actions of a handful of hooligans, or judging Muslims by the actions of a handful of extremists. It's telling that you've jumped from me saying that which I said, to defending 14 million Conservative voters as an amorphous mass of people. It's almost like you're sensitive about the matter and feel that those 14 million Conservative voters who aren't all racist need a voice to represent them. Congratulations on your new appointment mate. |
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Post by heatonhatter on Jun 22, 2020 8:48:04 GMT
Judging 14 million Conservative voters by a handful of tweets makes as much sense as judging all football fans by the actions of a handful of hooligans, or judging Muslims by the actions of a handful of extremists. It's telling that you've jumped from me saying that which I said, to defending 14 million Conservative voters as an amorphous mass of people. It's almost like you're sensitive about the matter and feel that those 14 million Conservative voters who aren't all racist need a voice to represent them. Congratulations on your new appointment mate. Nope, I'm just calling out hypocrisy when I see it. |
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Post by bigmartin on Jun 22, 2020 9:17:58 GMT
It's telling that you've jumped from me saying that which I said, to defending 14 million Conservative voters as an amorphous mass of people. It's almost like you're sensitive about the matter and feel that those 14 million Conservative voters who aren't all racist need a voice to represent them. Congratulations on your new appointment mate. Nope, I'm just calling out hypocrisy when I see it. What hypocrisy are you calling out ? |
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Post by heatonhatter on Jun 22, 2020 9:26:35 GMT
Nope, I'm just calling out hypocrisy when I see it. What hypocrisy are you calling out ? Just re-read the original post and your response. Then rather than "Tory voters" and "racists", try "football fans" and "hooligans" or "Black people" and "criminals". I agree it's shit that some people have taken issue that they happen to have used a Black person on that tweet, and it exposes them for the nobheads that they are. What the original post and then your response do, is associate that behaviour with "tory voters" in general. Though I suspect you know all this, but are just being deliberately obtuse. |
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Post by BWScarf on Jun 22, 2020 10:17:35 GMT
What hypocrisy are you calling out ? Just re-read the original post and your response. Then rather than "Tory voters" and "racists", try "football fans" and "hooligans" or "Black people" and "criminals". I agree it's shit that some people have taken issue that they happen to have used a Black person on that tweet, and it exposes them for the nobheads that they are. What the original post and then your response do, is associate that behaviour with "tory voters" in general. Though I suspect you know all this, but are just being deliberately obtuse. Speaking of being deliberately obtuse: that’s not quite an analogy that works here, is it? |
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 22, 2020 10:21:02 GMT
He or Angel, his wife, have never mentioned any problems regarding their childrens' ethnicity so perhaps it could be perceived in some peoples mind. That could be true. But just because it doesn't noticeably happen to or effect them doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that they shouldn't be aware of it happening. I haven't been beaten up or thrown out of the family home for being gay but I know both of those things happen. could be a case of being tolerated, understood more or people not bothered one bit in a more conservative{big and small C] than in more inner city areas which could be discribed as socialist hotbeds. |
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Post by kennypowers on Jun 22, 2020 10:25:45 GMT
What hypocrisy are you calling out ? Just re-read the original post and your response. Then rather than "Tory voters" and "racists", try "football fans" and "hooligans" or "Black people" and "criminals". I agree it's shit that some people have taken issue that they happen to have used a Black person on that tweet, and it exposes them for the nobheads that they are. What the original post and then your response do, is associate that behaviour with "tory voters" in general. Though I suspect you know all this, but are just being deliberately obtuse. There’s been a strong xenophobic undercurrent in much of this government’s work, election campaign and the leave campaign that they steered too. It was plain to see. For me, if you are anti racism, you wouldn’t be able to bring yourself to vote for such a party. 14 million people did. |
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Post by HTC on Jun 22, 2020 10:41:32 GMT
And thus begins the purity spiral.
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Post by Mozzer on Jun 22, 2020 11:43:11 GMT
Yeah, I think we need to be careful here. Clearly I have little time for this government and its leader. They are by equal parts inept and nasty. I am reasonably convinced the PM is a shithouse of a man and a politician with very few redeeming qualities (and his diatribe about statues was either from someone who really doesn't understand what's going on or is happy to stir up shit). I also think that those who voted for them need to own the consequences of that decision - none of what I've said above was hidden from the public before last December.
But that does not mean that those who voted for them are inherently racist or not opposed to racism. Nor, it should be said, does the Left have a blemish free record on matters of race.
Call out racists for being racist. It's a matter that should be bigger than party politics.
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Post by bigmartin on Jun 22, 2020 11:55:43 GMT
What hypocrisy are you calling out ? What the original post and then your response do, is associate that behaviour with "tory voters" in general. The only person who actually did that here is you my friend. And, you can reference me obtuse. You're wrong. I harboured no such intentions that you state. Believe it or not I don't believe however many Tory voters are all racist. That's just absurd. But carry on making a fool of yourself. It's entertaining. |
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Post by Suffolk Hatter on Jun 22, 2020 12:54:40 GMT
I suppose it comes down to how people define racist. I know plenty of people who consider that they aren't but if you spent 10 minutes in their company it would become clear that they are.
Some look at the policies of the Tories and come to the conclusion that as they are heavily loaded in favour of the wealthier members of society and make the jump. It's an understandable conclusion. They clearly aren't a party of racists but i would expect that the bog standard racist would prefer to be identified as a Tory than a socialist.
We are no further forward in society than we were when i was a kid at school back in the 60s and 70s. Open racism was more common but the overriding "them and us" attitude remains. Johnson's announcement of yet another inquiry will go the same way as the one into the Sexual Abuse of Children. Another example of them "taking matters seriously". Ticking boxes. Nothing will change. Matt Hancock will continue to be proud to work with Sunak and Patel without asking himself why he said it.
If Johnson could stop being Prime Minister of the Tory Party and represent the interests of everyone it would be a start.
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