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Post by Henry Pratt on Mar 13, 2024 16:17:55 GMT
They've also been conned by successive governments into believing that you can have ever-decreasing taxes at the same time as excellent public services. But even Labour have now started telling the public that the nation's credit card has been maxed out and there's no magic money tree, so what can you do? Stop using household economic imagery to explain national debt would be a good start. Not aimed at you but lack of understanding on how and what national debt and government spending actually is hurts us so badly. We had 14 years of austerity thinking and it just lead to worse outcomes and more debt anyway. Yeah, that was my point - the Tories have conned people since the 2008 crash by pretending a government is like a household (see also Cameron brandishing the "there's no money left" joke note). What's depressing, though, is that rather than educate people, the current iteration of the Labour leadership are using exactly the same lies.
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Post by David Schofield on Mar 13, 2024 22:52:33 GMT
yep.
A service designed in the 1940s, when the majority of people died at 70ish from smoking / heart attacks / industrial diseases isn't what is needed for the 2020s where the majority of people live into their 80s, many of whom with ongoing health needs and/or some form of dementia.
Absolutely no easy solutions here, as the general public seem to think in binary terms of comparing the sainted NHS to the brutal US system as if those are the only two options available, meaning even broaching the subject is political suicide.
They've also been conned by successive governments into believing that you can have ever-decreasing taxes at the same time as excellent public services. But even Labour have now started telling the public that the nation's credit card has been maxed out and there's no magic money tree, so what can you do? Had a night of IASIP and as usual they have used their Time Machine to read Yellowboard and then go back in time and film a sketch about this thread and came up with this…
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 14, 2024 0:16:18 GMT
Stop using household economic imagery to explain national debt would be a good start. Not aimed at you but lack of understanding on how and what national debt and government spending actually is hurts us so badly. We had 14 years of austerity thinking and it just lead to worse outcomes and more debt anyway. Yeah, that was my point - the Tories have conned people since the 2008 crash by pretending a government is like a household (see also Cameron brandishing the "there's no money left" joke note). What's depressing, though, is that rather than educate people, the current iteration of the Labour leadership are using exactly the same lies. I did say not aimed at you 😁
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Post by mattyovrio on Mar 14, 2024 8:12:27 GMT
Someone’s going to have to grasp the nettle that the health services are going to need a lot more money, which one way or another we’re all going to have to pay for.
yep.
A service designed in the 1940s, when the majority of people died at 70ish from smoking / heart attacks / industrial diseases isn't what is needed for the 2020s where the majority of people live into their 80s, many of whom with ongoing health needs and/or some form of dementia.
Absolutely no easy solutions here, as the general public seem to think in binary terms of comparing the sainted NHS to the brutal US system as if those are the only two options available, meaning even broaching the subject is political suicide.
Prevention is better than cure but we have mostly been a country of muddling through. Given the dreadful state of affairs that sees far too many children going hungry/malnourished/obese - free school breakfast and lunch added to daily exercise and more education about looking after themselves would help an awful lot. Would save a lot of money spent on treating preventable diabetes and other diseases related to poor diet and physical inactivity.
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Post by HTC on Mar 14, 2024 9:42:08 GMT
yep.
A service designed in the 1940s, when the majority of people died at 70ish from smoking / heart attacks / industrial diseases isn't what is needed for the 2020s where the majority of people live into their 80s, many of whom with ongoing health needs and/or some form of dementia.
Absolutely no easy solutions here, as the general public seem to think in binary terms of comparing the sainted NHS to the brutal US system as if those are the only two options available, meaning even broaching the subject is political suicide.
Prevention is better than cure but we have mostly been a country of muddling through. Given the dreadful state of affairs that sees far too many children going hungry/malnourished/obese - free school breakfast and lunch added to daily exercise and more education about looking after themselves would help an awful lot. Would save a lot of money spent on treating preventable diabetes and other diseases related to poor diet and physical inactivity.
You're right, but it's again politically difficult though, and there are also lots of practical issues on top.
On one hand, you've the right wing dislike of any sort of nanny state telling people what to do / and grumbling about paid roles like the (never sure if it was an urban myth or not?) 5 a day co-ordinators etc
On the left, ideas like that just descend into fairly unproductive discussions about people not having the time to cook because they're so poor and working 3 jobs meaning it's not even worth trying - basic poverty of low expectations stuff.
In more practical terms, and speaking for diabetes in particular, you've also got some fairly stark differences in how it affects people relating to ethnicity and sex, with the groups most vulnerable particularly hard to target effectively in public health messaging terms.
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Post by suedehead on Mar 16, 2024 9:52:11 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Mar 16, 2024 10:16:20 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue Bl**Dy hell Sue, hope you are on the mend soon!
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Post by HTC on Mar 16, 2024 10:24:06 GMT
Hope you’re feeling better soon
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Post by Nik on Mar 16, 2024 10:56:51 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue Christ! Hope you're on the mend ASAP!
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Post by bigmartin on Mar 16, 2024 12:17:29 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue Jesus. Look after yourself.
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Post by Imposter on Mar 16, 2024 12:19:14 GMT
Me with pneumonia in November.
Suedehead in March, "hold my drink"
😅
In all seriousness though hope that's not as bad as it can be, and you're up and well again soon 🙂
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 16, 2024 12:22:21 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue Get well soon suedehead.
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Post by edjelley on Mar 16, 2024 12:25:15 GMT
Stop using household economic imagery to explain national debt would be a good start. Not aimed at you but lack of understanding on how and what national debt and government spending actually is hurts us so badly. We had 14 years of austerity thinking and it just lead to worse outcomes and more debt anyway. Yeah, that was my point - the Tories have conned people since the 2008 crash by pretending a government is like a household (see also Cameron brandishing the "there's no money left" joke note). What's depressing, though, is that rather than educate people, the current iteration of the Labour leadership are using exactly the same lies. You're right what you say and agree about the tory con. They've basically come up with a situation whereby they promote austerity as the norm,particularly for the general public. They can still find money suddenly for their own class,eg royal family. But anything that isn't profitable has to be cut back. Health the obvious example but also the cutbacks in social care,including for the young in inner cities, such as youth clubs. The other thing is they're incompetent at what they do and so constantly waste money anyway. With regards to labour I'd cut them a bit of slack as they need to get elected and have to be seen as economically stable and prudent. I'd bet my house that if they're in power we'll notice a much fairer society, even if not perfect.
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Post by Mozzer on Mar 16, 2024 14:33:23 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue f*cking hell. I go away from the board for a few weeks and come back to this. Hope everything works out and that you're fighting fit soon.
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Post by David Schofield on Mar 16, 2024 16:35:54 GMT
Home now. As I was walking out through the bit where they bring people in from ambulances there were probably 10-12 poor sods on trolleys in the corridor, some in obvious distress. Some lad was sat cross legged on a trolley eating a plate of gruel they’d served him. Would rather go hungry. Anyway got to go back tomorrow for an MRI, exciting times. Update on this. Came back to hospital not long after this post, which is where I remain. They did a CT scan on Tuesday afternoon which spotted something unusual on my brain. But said I was fine to go home, but to come back if my symptoms got worse, which they were doing as I was told that. Turns out I had/have meningitis. Great scenes. My head was pulsing/rushing like I’d never felt since Saturday and I was getting more unstable on my feet, couldn’t really get my words out. First concern was a stroke, thankfully not that. Viral meningitis rather than bacterial, thankfully. But it’s absolutely wiped me out. Still nowhere near right now. Takes all my energy just to sit up. Still can’t really stand properly, more weakness rather than unsteadiness now, but still having the occasional head rush (whereas previously they were constant, and had been since the weekend). Not had the MRI yet but going today or tomorrow to rule out anything properly sinister, but the doctor does reckon there’s been a small bleed on the brain too. Dont think that’s particularly worrying, just sounds a lot worse than it is, depending on the extent of it. #prayforsue Frightening! Glad you are you are dealing with Viral and not Bacterial but don’t underestimate it💙
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