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Post by bigmartin on Jul 20, 2024 11:47:00 GMT
Farage believed that people should give up their freedoms and rights. But not him. He kept his. Not someone I'd want to be next to in a trench. He seems to attract a lot of bigots, hypocrites, scumbags, and people who really struggle to think critically and objectively. There's probably a reason for it. But before anyone says it they're right. We're a democracy and people can vote for whom they choose. Are you suggesting there’s an ulterior motive for him not divorcing his German wife now he’s with his new girlfriend?* *His new girlfriend is French, but I’m presuming a similar system to what we have would apply these days so he’d have to go and live in France for three years, which would be a bit inconvenient now he’s an MP. I remember reading about the glorious days of our British past when our grandfathers travelled on ships and trains across Europe to deal with right wing populist c*nts like Farage and when his far right missus would have been walking around with a bald head courtesy of the Maquis. Now the bloody snowflakes here vote for these hypocrites and liars in droves. The good old days shrug. Imagine if Hitler arrived on the scene now? He'd be shoving people into gas chambers whilst people like TVOR clapped, chuntering "he stopped the boats". What a country. What a time to be alive. Mind you, it improved markedly recently.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 20, 2024 11:51:54 GMT
Both of you are correct which is why so many of us want PR. Over my life i have been involved with trade unions as a shop steward and branch secretary who has been on numerous picket lines and organised and collected money for strikers in other jobs. However for the last 27 years i would not dream of voting labour but once was considered to be far left. Even now i,d be far happier in the company of farage, galloway and corbyn than any of today’s middle of the road politicians. I see the connection, but do you not think it’s a bit tenuous? I’m twisting Sinek’s ideas a bit, but can you start with why you find such a disparate group of politicians appealing? Because i find all three more interesting than middle of the road grey politicians we have had for 20 years where many i feel could cross the house and be at home with new found friends. Know one personally who has just been elected for labour and found it hard wehn talking politics which side of the fence they were on until i was told they were standing for parliament. At least on the politics thread you have a fair idea which party contributers are not voting for a t least.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 20, 2024 11:56:54 GMT
I see the connection, but do you not think it’s a bit tenuous? I’m twisting Sinek’s ideas a bit, but can you start with why you find such a disparate group of politicians appealing? Because i find all three more interesting than middle of the road grey politicians we have had for 20 years where many i feel could cross the house and be at home with new found friends. Know one personally who has just been elected for labour and found it hard wehn talking politics which side of the fence they were on until i was told they were standing for parliament. At least on the politics thread you have a fair idea which party contributers are not voting for a t least. And you don’t think 2019-22 gives a flavour of what it’s like to have someone who’s probably a good laugh down the pub in charge? FWIW, I don’t think Corbyn would be good company at all, mind!
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 20, 2024 11:57:41 GMT
I see the connection, but do you not think it’s a bit tenuous? I’m twisting Sinek’s ideas a bit, but can you start with why you find such a disparate group of politicians appealing? Because i find all three more interesting than middle of the road grey politicians we have had for 20 years where many i feel could cross the house and be at home with new found friends. Know one personally who has just been elected for labour and found it hard wehn talking politics which side of the fence they were on until i was told they were standing for parliament. At least on the politics thread you have a fair idea which party contributers are not voting for a t least. You're worrying me slightly that you'd rather "be in the company" of extremists (either on the right or left - and I exclude Corbyn from that) because they are "interesting". That said, I acknowledge that they are interesting of course.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 20, 2024 11:58:15 GMT
Are you suggesting there’s an ulterior motive for him not divorcing his German wife now he’s with his new girlfriend?* *His new girlfriend is French, but I’m presuming a similar system to what we have would apply these days so he’d have to go and live in France for three years, which would be a bit inconvenient now he’s an MP. I remember reading about the glorious days of our British past when our grandfathers travelled on ships and trains across Europe to deal with right wing populist c*nts like Farage and when his far right missus would have been walking around with a bald head courtesy of the Maquis. Now the bloody snowflakes here vote for these hypocrites and liars in droves. The good old days shrug. Imagine if Hitler arrived on the scene now? He'd be shoving people into gas chambers whilst people like TVOR clapped, chuntering "he stopped the boats". What a country. What a time to be alive. Mind you, it improved markedly recently. Bit OTT comparing farage to a fascist dictator. Thing is with dictators or normal politicians people will accept anything from them as long as they fulfil their main ideal in life. Hitler got the trains running on time that suited many, somebody would stop the boats making some happy but are those two things worth it if everything else in their lives are cocked up due to doing sod all about bigger issues.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 20, 2024 11:59:21 GMT
Because i find all three more interesting than middle of the road grey politicians we have had for 20 years where many i feel could cross the house and be at home with new found friends. Know one personally who has just been elected for labour and found it hard wehn talking politics which side of the fence they were on until i was told they were standing for parliament. At least on the politics thread you have a fair idea which party contributers are not voting for a t least. And you don’t think 2019-22 gives a flavour of what it’s like to have someone who’s probably a good laugh down the pub in charge? FWIW, I don’t think Corbyn would be good company at all, mind! Corbyn would be boringly "nice" I reckon. I had a mate who once brought a bag of apples with him on the Transpennine Ale Trail (seriously). I reckon Corbyn would do that kind of shit.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 20, 2024 12:02:17 GMT
Because i find all three more interesting than middle of the road grey politicians we have had for 20 years where many i feel could cross the house and be at home with new found friends. Know one personally who has just been elected for labour and found it hard wehn talking politics which side of the fence they were on until i was told they were standing for parliament. At least on the politics thread you have a fair idea which party contributers are not voting for a t least. And you don’t think 2019-22 gives a flavour of what it’s like to have someone who’s probably a good laugh down the pub in charge? FWIW, I don’t think Corbyn would be good company at all, mind! Didn,t mention him as i,d rather have a night on the piss with anne widdecombe and a grope down a dark lane than a single minute wasted with him. Like everyone in life because they might not be good at a job does not make em bad company.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 20, 2024 12:04:07 GMT
I remember reading about the glorious days of our British past when our grandfathers travelled on ships and trains across Europe to deal with right wing populist c*nts like Farage and when his far right missus would have been walking around with a bald head courtesy of the Maquis. Now the bloody snowflakes here vote for these hypocrites and liars in droves. The good old days shrug. Imagine if Hitler arrived on the scene now? He'd be shoving people into gas chambers whilst people like TVOR clapped, chuntering "he stopped the boats". What a country. What a time to be alive. Mind you, it improved markedly recently. Bit OTT comparing farage to a fascist dictator. Thing is with dictators or normal politicians people will accept anything from them as long as they fulfil their main ideal in life. Hitler got the trains running on time that suited many, somebody would stop the boats making some happy but are those two things worth it if everything else in their lives are cocked up due to doing sod all about bigger issues. More a comparison of right wing populists now and then. Go back in time for example, Farage is the modern equivalent of Oswald Mosely isn't he? Only less active on the streets because he's a bone idle tw*t and always off on foreign trips to cosy up with his far right mates. Tell you one other thing. If Starmer went a long way towards sorting out the NHS and Social Care, public transport, the water companies, and came up with a solution for our immigration issues (eg. clearing the backlog and bringing things under control) he would still be excoriated by a significant group of our population were a few thousand people still coming in on dinghies. You know this right? This is the complete opposite of the Tories of course who a similarly significant group of our population were willing to give a pass to for achieving entirely the opposite of ALL of the above, and also killing a good few thousand of our population to. It's bizarre. Like, even the old demographic who the Tories were actively killing vote for them. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 20, 2024 12:25:53 GMT
And you don’t think 2019-22 gives a flavour of what it’s like to have someone who’s probably a good laugh down the pub in charge? FWIW, I don’t think Corbyn would be good company at all, mind! Didn,t mention him as i,d rather have a night on the piss with anne widdecombe and a grope down a dark lane than a single minute wasted with him. Like everyone in life because they might not be good at a job does not make em bad company. People do conflate the two things all the time, though. Hence why there are literally hundreds of images of Johnson and Farage, supping away in the pub, floating round the Internet: I can relate to this guy. I’m gonna vote for him. “They tell it like it is” is another one, of course. Why are they telling it like it is? Because they’re not telling you what they’re going to do to make it better. Why aren’t they telling you what they’re going to do? Because they know that what it would take would make them unpopular. Why would it make them unpopular? Because most people’s complaints relate to public policy or public services and changing these things cost the Exchequer money. Why is that, though? Because they generally promise to cut people’s taxes, and they don’t won’t to admit that’s probably not possible without serious compromises elsewhere. Why don’t they want to admit that? Because then people won’t vote for them. *nod to Takichi Toyoda*
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 20, 2024 13:04:50 GMT
Because i find all three more interesting than middle of the road grey politicians we have had for 20 years where many i feel could cross the house and be at home with new found friends. Know one personally who has just been elected for labour and found it hard wehn talking politics which side of the fence they were on until i was told they were standing for parliament. At least on the politics thread you have a fair idea which party contributers are not voting for a t least. And you don’t think 2019-22 gives a flavour of what it’s like to have someone who’s probably a good laugh down the pub in charge? FWIW, I don’t think Corbyn would be good company at all, mind! Jeremy Corbyn would be excellent company. For all his political naivety and ideological dreaming he’s a really nice bloke. Cheap to be in a round with too as he’s tee total.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 20, 2024 13:07:14 GMT
And you don’t think 2019-22 gives a flavour of what it’s like to have someone who’s probably a good laugh down the pub in charge? FWIW, I don’t think Corbyn would be good company at all, mind! Corbyn would be boringly "nice" I reckon. I had a mate who once brought a bag of apples with him on the Transpennine Ale Trail (seriously). I reckon Corbyn would do that kind of shit. Yeah that’s probably a fair assumption 😂 One of the theatres I worked at regularly is in his constituency. He was regularly in holding informal constituency surgeries (pre pandemic anyway, when the building was open all day) and was always friendly and respectful towards everyone. Very amenable and it never felt like anything about him was fake, just very genuine. I think history will look kindly on people like Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 20, 2024 13:08:35 GMT
I remember reading about the glorious days of our British past when our grandfathers travelled on ships and trains across Europe to deal with right wing populist c*nts like Farage and when his far right missus would have been walking around with a bald head courtesy of the Maquis. Now the bloody snowflakes here vote for these hypocrites and liars in droves. The good old days shrug. Imagine if Hitler arrived on the scene now? He'd be shoving people into gas chambers whilst people like TVOR clapped, chuntering "he stopped the boats". What a country. What a time to be alive. Mind you, it improved markedly recently. Bit OTT comparing farage to a fascist dictator. Thing is with dictators or normal politicians people will accept anything from them as long as they fulfil their main ideal in life. Hitler got the trains running on time that suited many, somebody would stop the boats making some happy but are those two things worth it if everything else in their lives are cocked up due to doing sod all about bigger issues. It was Mussolini who “got the trains running on time” and fun fact - he didn’t. Italy’s rail network was as much of a shambles under El Duce as it was beforehand.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 20, 2024 13:23:06 GMT
I'm not a historian, but I think we're stretching to think Hitler's popularity derived from his ability to provide decent public transport.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 20, 2024 13:36:19 GMT
I'm not a historian, but I think we're stretching to think Hitler's popularity derived from his ability to provide decent public transport. I’m told pinning what ailed Germany at the time on “others” might have have something to do with it too.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 20, 2024 13:40:22 GMT
Ah, yeah. Rightist tropes: dividing people and enhancing self-selecting filth for generations.
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