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Post by Nik on Jul 20, 2024 18:43:49 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. Yes, but what about the trousers Angela Rayner's wearing?!
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Post by redhatter on Jul 20, 2024 18:58:49 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. Yes, but what about the trousers Angela Rayner's wearing?! And she talks funny
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 20, 2024 21:05:13 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. But, but,but what about Rwanda ? In the words of many a Yorkshireman - How much?
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Post by mreckless on Jul 20, 2024 21:52:29 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. Positive movement but it’s not the first time it has happened, usually when there are too many for the french boat to carry safely. Oh and the uk sorted a deal with Albania about 18 months ago, thats why their numbers crossing dropped so drastically. I hope Starmer does a good job, sunak didn’t that’s for sure, I just have doubts
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Post by redhatter on Jul 20, 2024 23:02:47 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. Positive movement but it’s not the first time it has happened, usually when there are too many for the french boat to carry safely. Oh and the uk sorted a deal with Albania about 18 months ago, thats why their numbers crossing dropped so drastically. I hope Starmer does a good job, sunak didn’t that’s for sure, I just have doubts bigmartin, Labour have been in power less than two weeks, not a month! mreckless, we've seen some very positive moves in resetting the relationship with Europe. The Tories were always trying to fight a war with EU countries, but now we've got a grown up who is looking to work together as a partner. I think that has been recognised. I think setting up an asylum centre in Calais would be a good start. It would open up a safe and legal option for genuine asylum seekers, that we have a legal and moral obligation to help. It would also send a clear message to anyone that was looking to cross the channel in small boat, that they have no genuine need to take that route, no need to risk their life taking and illegal route - unless they are an economic migrant, who would have their claim rejected. I think this would enable the government to deal with claims made by anyone who crosses in a small boat in a completely different manner, allowing the claim to be processed much faster and most likely rejected. The long term solution is to re-join the EU and apply the Dublin Convention, so economic migrants could be returned to the first safe EU country, which is where they should be applying for asylum.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 20, 2024 23:34:46 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. Positive movement but it’s not the first time it has happened, usually when there are too many for the french boat to carry safely. Oh and the uk sorted a deal with Albania about 18 months ago, thats why their numbers crossing dropped so drastically. I hope Starmer does a good job, sunak didn’t that’s for sure, I just have doubts Michael Keohan & PA Media Political Reporter, BBC Kent @michaelkeohan Published 19 July 2024 The Home Office has confirmed that a British Border Force vessel which was assisting with a French search and rescue operation has returned migrants to France for the first time. Reported in the same words by the Telegraph and the Independent. They're all wrong?
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 20, 2024 23:36:53 GMT
bigmartin, Labour have been in power less than two weeks, not a month! True.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Jul 21, 2024 0:42:44 GMT
Positive movement but it’s not the first time it has happened, usually when there are too many for the french boat to carry safely. Oh and the uk sorted a deal with Albania about 18 months ago, thats why their numbers crossing dropped so drastically. I hope Starmer does a good job, sunak didn’t that’s for sure, I just have doubts bigmartin, Labour have been in power less than two weeks, not a month! mreckless, we've seen some very positive moves in resetting the relationship with Europe. The Tories were always trying to fight a war with EU countries, but now we've got a grown up who is looking to work together as a partner. I think that has been recognised. I think setting up an asylum centre in Calais would be a good start. It would open up a safe and legal option for genuine asylum seekers, that we have a legal and moral obligation to help. It would also send a clear message to anyone that was looking to cross the channel in small boat, that they have no genuine need to take that route, no need to risk their life taking and illegal route - unless they are an economic migrant, who would have their claim rejected. I think this would enable the government to deal with claims made by anyone who crosses in a small boat in a completely different manner, allowing the claim to be processed much faster and most likely rejected. The long term solution is to re-join the EU and apply the Dublin Convention, so economic migrants could be returned to the first safe EU country, which is where they should be applying for asylum. The Dublin II agreement was flawed, countries faffed about, ummin and ahing about taking people back for just long enough for the clock to run down and the application by the UK Gov to be out of time.Italy would refuse to take flights on Fridays or after certain times, because they knew that was when scheduled flights would arrive.Some countries wouldn't even bother to take fingerprints from those crossing the border illegally because they knew they weren't staying in their country and that if there was no fingerprints, there would be no returns.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 21, 2024 7:18:14 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. But, but,but what about Rwanda ? Rwanda was such a far fetched joke even bernard manning would have found it impossible to make a joke about it.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 21, 2024 7:27:10 GMT
Bit OTT comparing farage to a fascist dictator. Thing is with dictators or normal politicians people will accept anything from them as long as they fulfil their main ideal in life. Hitler got the trains running on time that suited many, somebody would stop the boats making some happy but are those two things worth it if everything else in their lives are cocked up due to doing sod all about bigger issues. Tell you one other thing. If Starmer went a long way towards sorting out the NHS and Social Care, public transport, the water companies, and came up with a solution for our immigration issues (eg. clearing the backlog and bringing things under control) he would still be excoriated by a significant group of our population were a few thousand people still coming in on dinghies. You know this right? You will always get that situation with people regarding politics. Many are only mainly interested in one part of what a government can and will do. If they sort that subject out to their satisfaction they they,ll be happy. That included the items you mentioned and the dinghies. At least labour are one up for me in a small HOL reform even if it is small as you have to start somewhere.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 21, 2024 7:35:26 GMT
I'm not a historian, but I think we're stretching to think Hitler's popularity derived from his ability to provide decent public transport. When he started to get a big following when the country was in a big mess it was either him to follow or the communist party. No wonder people turned a blind eye to him and not just millions of germans either. You could say that the west hate of communism in the 30,s actually caused as many deaths as adolph did indirectly and were happy to see the japanese as a miletary threat in the east.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 21, 2024 7:40:03 GMT
Blimey. Wasn’t expecting that!
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 8:38:31 GMT
I wonder if anyone at the Sunday Express has asked businesses whether they want to pay to have their products certified to two ever-so-slightly different sets of product safety standards or just one? Thought not. Christ, the ridiculousness of their indignation is like a four year old insisting repeatedly that it was the fairies who came in the night that left all the toys out…
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Post by redhatter on Jul 21, 2024 10:15:02 GMT
Four weeks we've had a Labour Government and this, for the first time ever apparently, happened on Wednesday following recent negotiations by Starmer and colleagues with France. link
Apparently absolutely impossible under a Tory Government. This country under a Labour Government (ie. with the adults in charge) has literally, within a month of attaining control, returned more migrants to France than the Conservatives managed since Brexit. Positive movement but it’s not the first time it has happened, usually when there are too many for the french boat to carry safely. Oh and the uk sorted a deal with Albania about 18 months ago, thats why their numbers crossing dropped so drastically. I hope Starmer does a good job, sunak didn’t that’s for sure, I just have doubts First time according to the Daily Heil; On Tuesday night, one person drowned after a boat carrying 72 people was shipwrecked. A joint operation between French and British authorities saw the surviving 71 people rescued and returned to Calais. This was the first time since small boat crossings began that a British Border Force boat returned migrants to France, rather than the UK. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13655827/Labour-goes-war-nail-bars-car-washes-fight-against-illegal-immigration-Rwanda.html
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 10:31:46 GMT
”Sorry, Jacinta: you’re going to have to do your own nails from now on. We might need to sell the Velar too - no way I’m washing it myself twice a week.”
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