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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 21, 2024 13:41:21 GMT
That wouldn't be phasing out though would it? That would be knocked out with a blunt instrument. Let's see what happens. I could see the merit in replacing her with somebody else and giving her a different role where she's proved she can be a huge asset. Why would any of these views wind anybody up? He's put her in charge of a flagship policy. If he was going to phase her out, he'd have bumped her down, not given her a high-profile job. Incidentally, it's unlikely the SoS for housing, communities and local government is going to embarrass us on the international stage any more than, say, Boris Johnson and some people thought he was a right laugh. Yeh but at least his accent was acceptable Plus he has a penis
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 13:43:05 GMT
I know you're 100% on the wind-up here, but if he was phasing her out, he wouldn't have appointed her as deputy Prime Minister by choice less than 3 weeks ago. He could habe picked someone else at that point. That wouldn't be phasing out though would it? That would be knocked out with a blunt instrument. Let's see what happens. I could see the merit in replacing her with somebody else and giving her a different role where she's proved she can be a huge asset. Why would any of these views wind anybody up? I’m sure I read she’s Deputy Leader because she was voted as such by grassroots Labour members? I don’t think Starmer has any say in her being his No. 2.
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 21, 2024 13:47:29 GMT
Boris Johnson embarrassed us immensely on the world stage. I didn't say he didn't.
I'm politically neutral and take people, policies as they come etc. I vote for what I think is the best option on a local level and for a General election, factor the National landscape into it. I don't support a political party but voted for the Liberal Democrat candidate at the recent General Election if anybody cares.
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Post by vicar on Jul 21, 2024 14:00:33 GMT
Why? What's she done? And, does he? I thought they got on really well. Curious. I'd be disappointed if so, not least because she upsets conservatives by doing controversial stuff like wearing trousers and stuff. What do you think is afoot? She'd embarass us on the world stage. I think she seems a decent girl but I think she'd suit a less prominent role. The lads at the Golf Club last night were saying the reports were that Starmer is phasing her out. I don't think it means they don't get on. She'd probably go down better on the International stage than the national stage as snobbery here is worse than in most places, this is why people like the Irish and mock the English, the Irish are seen as more down to earth while we're seen as stuck up because that's the face we keep presenting to the world.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 21, 2024 14:00:35 GMT
Boris Johnson embarrassed us immensely on the world stage. I didn't say he didn't. I'm politically neutral and take people, policies as they come etc. I vote for what I think is the best option on a local level and for a General election, factor the National landscape into it. I don't support a political party but voted for the Liberal Democrat candidate at the recent General Election if anybody cares. I don't support any one political party either and I've voted for three different parties in my time, for different reasons. My point about Johnson was a general one, primarily aimed at the sort of bedwetter who worries about what the Deputy PM wears or the fact she scares them because they're desperate inadequates. Those people tended to like being represented on the world stage by an amoral, lying narcissist who cultivated the bumbling oaf look as a deliberate attempt to court people. That's fine, if it's your thing, but don't pretend he didn't make this country look pathetic on the world stage.
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Post by HTC on Jul 21, 2024 14:02:13 GMT
That wouldn't be phasing out though would it? That would be knocked out with a blunt instrument. Let's see what happens. I could see the merit in replacing her with somebody else and giving her a different role where she's proved she can be a huge asset. Why would any of these views wind anybody up? It's also not phasing her out either, it's giving her the second-most important role in government. It really isn’t. deputy PM is often little more than a sinecure, in this case given to appease the party members who would like an actual left winger at the higher table. Her actual ministerial role in housing is a cabinet post, but it’s not one of the great offices of state, such as chancellor / foreign office / justice. Historically, it’s usually regarded as a lower post than health / education / defence etc. too (albeit I’d agree it seems like an early priority for this government)
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Post by redhatter on Jul 21, 2024 14:07:58 GMT
Following your comment, I had a look at the Sunday Express in the shop (not buying the far right rag, it's even worse than the Mail). It was screaming "THE GREAT BREXIT BETRAYAL", because Labour are looking to mirror EU product safety rules for manufacturers and we would become a "rule taker". I work in manufacturing and the last thing we need is two sets of rules. The EU is one of our largest markets and not having alignment is a major issue. Cameron and Osbourne warned we would become rule takers, if we left the EU, but that is exactly where we are. It's too late, those that advocated for Brexit and those that voted for it have already done the damage. What does the Express want? You cannot manufacture to two sets of regulations. They are deliberately trying to rile their elderly, gullible readership, because it's in the vested financial self interest of the Express' owners to ensure we don't go back in the EU. UK Manufacturing has been completely screwed over by Brexit. We may have a 'free trade deal', but we don't have free movement of goods. Parts get stuck in customs, we have to pay customs duties, which causes delays and damages competitiveness. It's a shit show. I don't understand why Labour has pledged to keep the UK out of the Customs Union in their manifesto? It makes no sense whatsoever. It's not the same a rejoining the Single Market, which would mean free movement of people, which I think is the main reason people voted Brexit. Most of them wouldn't have the first clue what the Customs Union is. I have a theory that Labour will do a lot of 'water testing' this Parliament but that if they get a second term they might then go into Referendum territory. Perhaps a referendum on how people think it's going? Whether it's working? Whether they still agree with their original vote? And so forth. I'm on a website called Prolific. Surveys, experiments and all sorts of stuff. For cash. Helps me sustain a bit of a spending pot for my ale trails, hobbies, kegs for my beer machine and so forth. Lots of very interesting exercises but I've noticed the odd one coming up about the EU. Usually sponsored by some political organisations or such. I wonder if these are the first tentacles being spread. I think it's sensible, if Labour did remain in power more long term, to check out fully the direction of travel first. Both for partisan political reasons but also for Democratic reasons. In the sense that I think there must be a significant will to head back towards membership of the EU before we do it. About 52% would seem fair to me. For me, it needs to Lib Dem's to lead on this, as the strongest pro-European party. In the general election they led with three themes; Health, Care and the Sewage Scandal. Europe wasn't mentioned. I think they need to look at making the political and economic case for rejoining the European Union, Single Market and Customs Union. Write holding a referendum into their manifesto for the next General Election. I was watching a political programme with George Osbourne a week ago and he was very clear that if the government wanted economic growth they would have to look at this. He said it was the biggest lever they could pull to boost the economy and create growth. Labour has a massive majority, but they only have 34% of the vote. They are very vulnerable on this. They could easily end up in hung parliament territory next time and will need the support of the Lib Dem's. It would be fantastic if the Lib Dem's could demand a referendum as a price for their support. Whether the Lib Dems would be willing to do so, I don't know, especially now that they have a lot of leave leaning seats in the South West.
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 21, 2024 14:08:53 GMT
She'd embarass us on the world stage. I think she seems a decent girl but I think she'd suit a less prominent role. The lads at the Golf Club last night were saying the reports were that Starmer is phasing her out. I don't think it means they don't get on. She'd probably go down better on the International stage than the national stage as snobbery here is worse than in most places, this is why people like the Irish and mock the English, the Irish are seen as more down to earth while we're seen as stuck up because that's the face we keep presenting to the world. Nothing to with what I'm saying to be honest, Vicar.
She would embarrass us because she talks nonsense. That is not a particularly well regarded trait in any country I've ever been to.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 14:17:33 GMT
Boris Johnson embarrassed us immensely on the world stage. I didn't say he didn't. I'm politically neutral and take people, policies as they come etc. I vote for what I think is the best option on a local level and for a General election, factor the National landscape into it. I don't support a political party but voted for the Liberal Democrat candidate at the recent General Election if anybody cares. In that regard, I thought Willie Piccie Wragg would have been an OK MP even though I didn’t vote for him. And he was to begin with. Then he went all Brexity, which was acceptable enough because it was what people voted for. Then COVID happened and he went after Boris over Partygate even though he was anti-Lockdown himself. Hypocrisy is pretty unforgivable in my book - although he hardly showered himself in glory at the end by doxxing his mates rather than admitting he’d been sexting someone he met on a dating app.
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Post by redhatter on Jul 21, 2024 14:18:20 GMT
Rare species of wildlife…(reply to Timberwolf comment in Friendlies thread). Combined votes cast in the three Stockport constituencies in the general election July 2024 (five largest parties). Lib Dem’s 44,733 Labour 40,554 Conservative 25,424 Reform 18,621 Green 8,258 Starkly at odds with the 81 voters in the poll at the top of this thread, and the general tone of this place. Since when was this thread obliged to be proportionately representative of how the people of Stockport voted? If you don’t like the thread, don’t read it! Or contribute an alternative opinion!
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Post by voodooray on Jul 21, 2024 14:18:40 GMT
That wouldn't be phasing out though would it? That would be knocked out with a blunt instrument. Let's see what happens. I could see the merit in replacing her with somebody else and giving her a different role where she's proved she can be a huge asset. Why would any of these views wind anybody up? I’m sure I read she’s Deputy Leader because she was voted as such by grassroots Labour members? I don’t think Starmer has any say in her being his No. 2. That's my understanding too - Deputy Leader of the Labour Party is an elected position. The leader can't simply remove her from that position. Of course, I'm sure there are other ways she could be sidelined or undermined.
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Post by redhatter on Jul 21, 2024 14:19:58 GMT
She'd probably go down better on the International stage than the national stage as snobbery here is worse than in most places, this is why people like the Irish and mock the English, the Irish are seen as more down to earth while we're seen as stuck up because that's the face we keep presenting to the world. Nothing to with what I'm saying to be honest, Vicar.
She would embarrass us because she talks nonsense. That is not a particularly well regarded trait in any country I've ever been to.
How does Angela Rayner talk nonsense?
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Post by vicar on Jul 21, 2024 14:32:44 GMT
Nothing to with what I'm saying to be honest, Vicar.
She would embarrass us because she talks nonsense. That is not a particularly well regarded trait in any country I've ever been to.
How does Angela Rayner talk nonsense? She speaks with a northern council estate accent and that's what the chaps at the golf club don't like, Labour party policy is what it is and if it's nonsense it's nonsense in any accent.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 14:37:44 GMT
Nothing to with what I'm saying to be honest, Vicar.
She would embarrass us because she talks nonsense. That is not a particularly well regarded trait in any country I've ever been to.
How does Angela Rayner talk nonsense? She got rid of the words “Levelling Up” from the title of her department, to begin with. How is Westminster ever going to be able to gaslight the populace north of the Watford Gap if they don’t embed childish language into government policy? /s
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 21, 2024 14:48:58 GMT
How does Angela Rayner talk nonsense? She speaks with a northern council estate accent and that's what the chaps at the golf club don't like, Labour party policy is what it is and if it's nonsense it's nonsense in any accent. The Golf Club I am at is a broadchurch. It's an outdated view to suggest everyone there is of a certain profile. I wouldn't be let in for a a start if it had to meet your criteria.
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