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Post by stalybridgehatter on Jul 21, 2024 14:59:52 GMT
I would suggest it unlikely the French would ask for help and say “by the way you have to take any rescued” back home with you. The only part I have not been able to fathom is whether it's a "first time event" because there's never arisen a circumstance of a BORDER FORCE patrol boat being the one on hand to help rescue survivors (as opposed to the Coast Guard) to help. It could be a first because there's never been a Border Force boat in this situ, or it could be a first because previous Border Force rescues have not been allowed to return those rescued to French soil. Given that I read that this situation had to be negotiated then I'm assuming it's the latter. In which case it's a genuine first. But if someone were to come on here and show that it was the former then I'd accept that. Either way though it's technically the first time this precise situation arose. Again, without wanting to ride the horse too fast, why would right wing inclined newspapers report it as such otherwise? I hardly think the Telegraph and Mail are looking for, and spinning reasons to report good news from the current administration. If you are talking about BF Cutters/vessels 'rescuing' at sea, it's not the first time, although largely it's more BF intercepting small boats or meeting them to prevent an incident and accepting the inevitable. In terms of BF assisting the French and taking back to French shires, probably the first time that I know of.
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Post by Nik on Jul 21, 2024 15:05:29 GMT
It's also not phasing her out either, it's giving her the second-most important role in government. It really isn’t. deputy PM is often little more than a sinecure, in this case given to appease the party members who would like an actual left winger at the higher table. Her actual ministerial role in housing is a cabinet post, but it’s not one of the great offices of state, such as chancellor / foreign office / justice. Historically, it’s usually regarded as a lower post than health / education / defence etc. too (albeit I’d agree it seems like an early priority for this government) Fair enough, however it's still a high profile position within the government, even if only from an aesthetic perspective, so I wouldn't see it as her being 'phased out'.
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Post by vicar on Jul 21, 2024 15:15:05 GMT
She speaks with a northern council estate accent and that's what the chaps at the golf club don't like, Labour party policy is what it is and if it's nonsense it's nonsense in any accent. The Golf Club I am at is a broadchurch. It's an outdated view to suggest everyone there is of a certain profile. I wouldn't be let in for a a start if it had to meet your criteria. Admittedly I could be stereotyping.
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Post by nelly on Jul 21, 2024 15:18:35 GMT
The Golf Club I am at is a broadchurch. It's an outdated view to suggest everyone there is of a certain profile. I wouldn't be let in for a a start if it had to meet your criteria. Admittedly I could be stereotyping. FOUR !!!!
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Post by nelly on Jul 21, 2024 15:26:51 GMT
Boris Johnson embarrassed us immensely on the world stage. I didn't say he didn't. I'm politically neutral and take people, policies as they come etc. I vote for what I think is the best option on a local level and for a General election, factor the National landscape into it. I don't support a political party but voted for the Liberal Democrat candidate at the recent General Election if anybody cares. In that regard, I thought Willie Piccie Wragg would have been an OK MP even though I didn’t vote for him. And he was to begin with. Then he went all Brexity, which was acceptable enough because it was what people voted for. Then COVID happened and he went after Boris over Partygate even though he was anti-Lockdown himself. Hypocrisy is pretty unforgivable in my book - although he hardly showered himself in glory at the end by doxxing his mates rather than admitting he’d been sexting someone he met on a dating app. A Tory caught with their trousers down. Well I never.
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Post by atmosphere on Jul 21, 2024 15:27:04 GMT
The Golf Club I am at is a broadchurch. It's an outdated view to suggest everyone there is of a certain profile. I wouldn't be let in for a a start if it had to meet your criteria. Admittedly I could be stereotyping. I agree with you on the English obsessed with class thing, particularly those of an older generation. It's a thing and you're right that it baffles other countries.
The only thing I'd say is both sides of the "class" argument keep it alive as much as the other.
I play Golf because I enjoy it and have friends who got me into it so it's a good social. I don't care about class. Wouldn't be embarrassed to say I played it in any circle of people I met, likewise not embarrassed to say I'm a football supporter in any circle of people I met.
That's the way you diffuse the class obsession in this country and be more level in the eye with other countries.
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Post by desmond on Jul 21, 2024 15:33:02 GMT
Admittedly I could be stereotyping. I agree with you on the English obsessed with class thing, particularly those of an older generation. It's a thing and you're right that it baffles other countries.
The only thing I'd say is both sides of the "class" argument keep it alive as much as the other.
I play Golf because I enjoy it and have friends who got me into it so it's a good social. I don't care about class. Wouldn't be embarrassed to say I played it in any circle of people I met, likewise not embarrassed to say I'm a football supporter in any circle of people I met.
That's the way you diffuse the class obsession in this country and be more level in the eye with other countries.
Don’t get many toffs at Crown Green Bowling 😀
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Post by mreckless on Jul 21, 2024 16:35:18 GMT
Fake news Red, not like you to believe the Mail 😂 See my reply to Big M above , it has the details of the same last August The fact that it was specifically a Border Force boat, rather than an immediate emergency rescue by the Coastguard, might matter. It might be THAT particular fact that's important. There might be subtleties that you are missing (that possibly matter as the missions of the two may be very different). My understanding from reading at least 10 articles on this is that Border Force were able to do this because the French/EU are more open to negotiations with Starmer than they were with Sunak/Conservatives. Which isn't far fetched. After all, who would you rather negotiate with in business? Someone who basically maligns you at every turn, or someone who you actually can do business with. I recall Sunak going after Starmer like a child that had has it's Milky Bar snatched from him at the mere suggestion that Starmer intended to try to renegotiate better agreements than the Tories had managed to. "They're not going to give you anything that they wouldn't give us" he stated. Quite ridiculous, very arrogant (of course) I thought at the time. And here we are. In two weeks, relations are improving. Business is being done. There's also that obvious possibility that everyone else is wrong, including the entirety of the UK press of all colours. But not you. You're right. i can only state facts as I see them Martin, nothing more nothing less, and I probably trust the french official over most newspapers. I doubt that any negotiations that Kier has had with sunak would bear fruition so fast, couple of hours together, that would be impressive. What I can say is that I won’t resort to shitty remarks about you or anybody else, I thought I could have a conversation over here and quote what I had found, simple as that.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 16:49:33 GMT
Jeremy Hunt has admitted in an interview with the BBC that the Tax cuts that the Tories promised in their manifesto would not have happened immediately as promised but "in time".
Traditionally you'd call that a lie.
Who'd have ever imagined it?
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 16:55:31 GMT
The fact that it was specifically a Border Force boat, rather than an immediate emergency rescue by the Coastguard, might matter. It might be THAT particular fact that's important. There might be subtleties that you are missing (that possibly matter as the missions of the two may be very different). My understanding from reading at least 10 articles on this is that Border Force were able to do this because the French/EU are more open to negotiations with Starmer than they were with Sunak/Conservatives. Which isn't far fetched. After all, who would you rather negotiate with in business? Someone who basically maligns you at every turn, or someone who you actually can do business with. I recall Sunak going after Starmer like a child that had has it's Milky Bar snatched from him at the mere suggestion that Starmer intended to try to renegotiate better agreements than the Tories had managed to. "They're not going to give you anything that they wouldn't give us" he stated. Quite ridiculous, very arrogant (of course) I thought at the time. And here we are. In two weeks, relations are improving. Business is being done. There's also that obvious possibility that everyone else is wrong, including the entirety of the UK press of all colours. But not you. You're right. i can only state facts as I see them Martin, nothing more nothing less, and I probably trust the french official over most newspapers. I doubt that any negotiations that Kier has had with sunak would bear fruition so fast, couple of hours together, that would be impressive. What I can say is that I won’t resort to shitty remarks about you or anybody else, I thought I could have a conversation over here and quote what I had found, simple as that. Keir. Kier are a construction company. I won't respond to the shitty remarks comment other than to say you've a long history of being quite capable of the same. Because you wrap them in a veneer of passive aggressive snootiness doesn't make remarks in the past any less shitty. You tried to refute facts based on a misunderstanding of the statements made in the various press articles. We can leave it there.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 21, 2024 16:58:46 GMT
Jeremy Hunt has admitted in an interview with the BBC that the Tax cuts that the Tories promised in their manifesto would not have happened immediately as promised but "in time". Traditionally you'd call that a lie. Who'd have ever imagined it? ”They’re all at it, though.”
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 16:59:07 GMT
I agree with you on the English obsessed with class thing, particularly those of an older generation. It's a thing and you're right that it baffles other countries.
The only thing I'd say is both sides of the "class" argument keep it alive as much as the other.
I play Golf because I enjoy it and have friends who got me into it so it's a good social. I don't care about class. Wouldn't be embarrassed to say I played it in any circle of people I met, likewise not embarrassed to say I'm a football supporter in any circle of people I met.
That's the way you diffuse the class obsession in this country and be more level in the eye with other countries.
Don’t get many toffs at Crown Green Bowling 😀 Crown green bowling is a great game to play. They have clubs at the two clubs in Heywood that accommodate all ages including even the very young children. It's fantastic I think.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 21, 2024 17:01:10 GMT
Jeremy Hunt has admitted in an interview with the BBC that the Tax cuts that the Tories promised in their manifesto would not have happened immediately as promised but "in time". Traditionally you'd call that a lie. Who'd have ever imagined it? ”They’re all at it, though.” Aye. It's becoming clear as day to anyone with eyes and ears that they threw that Election because they were about to get found out on a number of things. Imagine all those people wasting their vote on that clown ship. How embarrassing.
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Post by stevie57 on Jul 21, 2024 17:08:12 GMT
Since when was this thread obliged to be proportionately representative of how the people of Stockport voted? If you don’t like the thread, don’t read it! Or contribute an alternative opinion! Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly).
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Post by nelly on Jul 21, 2024 17:13:11 GMT
Or contribute an alternative opinion! Compare the voting figures for the three Stockport constituencies that I listed to the poll at the top of this thread, then you will discover that I have contributed an opinion, namely that this place with its pro-Labour bias (comically redefined as ‘progressive’ by one contributor) is not representative, either of the people of Stockport, nor nationally - that is an alternative opinion I think. And for the avoidance of doubt, I voted neither Conservative nor Reform (nor any other crackpot fringe group), and in spite of some of the slurs on here, and at risk of causing further dissension in our leftist happy valley, we saw one of the great benefits of the first-past-the-post system whereby with an abysmal percentage of the popular vote (c.two thirds said ‘No thank you’ to Labour), the people were able to deliver a spectacular coup de grace to a government as inept and incompetent as it was unpopular and ineffective. The thread does not have to be representative, but it needs sometimes to acknowledge that fact; and as regards my comments, if you don’t like them, then don’t respond (or at least read them properly). Fascist.
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