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Post by redhatter on Jul 22, 2024 21:42:57 GMT
And to reiterate, they threw the Election because they knew it wasn't going to work and that they'd be breaking (another) one of their key Manifesto pledges. Eye watering sums of money "spaffed" for absolutely nothing. Kagame is laughing at Britain. Pissing his sides. We're a joke. There has to be a mis-wire in your head to vote for that bunch of corrupt, opportunist, w*nkers. I can't think of any other explanation. Can someone on here who voted Conservative articulate as to why? On what basis? I actually understand the Reform voter far more than the Tory voter at this point. Who are these jokers who vote Conservative and why, because there are 6,828,925 of them out there?
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Post by redhatter on Jul 22, 2024 21:48:03 GMT
And how about this one, which is dwarfing all other Tory waste. She (Yvette Cooper) warned that the cost of the “indefinitely rising” asylum backlog in hotel and accommodation support bills was “astronomical”, telling MPs: “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” In her statement in the Commons, Cooper blasted the Conservative government’s “unworkable” Illegal Migration Act, which was introduced in March 2023 and cost the taxpayer billions by putting asylum seekers who arrived in the UK in a state of limbo. She said “legal contradictions” in the act created a situation akin to “Hotel California – people arrive in the asylum system and they never leave”, because no decisions could be taken on the cases of asylum seekers who arrived after March 2023 and met certain conditions. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooper
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 22, 2024 21:52:42 GMT
And how about this one, which is dwarfing all other Tory waste. She (Yvette Cooper) warned that the cost of the “indefinitely rising” asylum backlog in hotel and accommodation support bills was “astronomical”, telling MPs: “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” In her statement in the Commons, Cooper blasted the Conservative government’s “unworkable” Illegal Migration Act, which was introduced in March 2023 and cost the taxpayer billions by putting asylum seekers who arrived in the UK in a state of limbo. She said “legal contradictions” in the act created a situation akin to “Hotel California – people arrive in the asylum system and they never leave”, because no decisions could be taken on the cases of asylum seekers who arrived after March 2023 and met certain conditions. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooperA whole new level of incompetence + outright theft + dereliction of duty = Broken Britain
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 6:12:13 GMT
And how about this one, which is dwarfing all other Tory waste. She (Yvette Cooper) warned that the cost of the “indefinitely rising” asylum backlog in hotel and accommodation support bills was “astronomical”, telling MPs: “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” In her statement in the Commons, Cooper blasted the Conservative government’s “unworkable” Illegal Migration Act, which was introduced in March 2023 and cost the taxpayer billions by putting asylum seekers who arrived in the UK in a state of limbo. She said “legal contradictions” in the act created a situation akin to “Hotel California – people arrive in the asylum system and they never leave”, because no decisions could be taken on the cases of asylum seekers who arrived after March 2023 and met certain conditions. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooperStop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 6:27:54 GMT
I see today’s Times says we as a nation are now more dishonest and are less bothered about committing crimes like fraud.
Monkey see, monkey do I suppose? I wonder what pastime Boris will invent for himself to delete this particular stain on his legacy from the Internet record?
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 23, 2024 6:43:31 GMT
Agree on jail time on top of a return of the money. Hopefully, a few of the Tory cronies are sweating at this point in time and yes, I am looking at you and your husband Mone, though you are not alone.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 6:49:37 GMT
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 6:57:58 GMT
MPs being paid twice to basically do their job shouldn’t be allowed - whatever the hourly/daily rate is. “Second jobs” for MPs shouldn’t be allowed either. Unfortunately this is one situation where they are all it. (Or many of them are, anyway…)
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Post by Nik on Jul 23, 2024 7:08:02 GMT
And how about this one, which is dwarfing all other Tory waste. She (Yvette Cooper) warned that the cost of the “indefinitely rising” asylum backlog in hotel and accommodation support bills was “astronomical”, telling MPs: “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” In her statement in the Commons, Cooper blasted the Conservative government’s “unworkable” Illegal Migration Act, which was introduced in March 2023 and cost the taxpayer billions by putting asylum seekers who arrived in the UK in a state of limbo. She said “legal contradictions” in the act created a situation akin to “Hotel California – people arrive in the asylum system and they never leave”, because no decisions could be taken on the cases of asylum seekers who arrived after March 2023 and met certain conditions. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooperStop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. Fun fact: Asylum seekers in France receive a minimum of €47.60 per person per week and, if unable to be housed in France, receive €99.40 per person per week. Here they get £49.18 per person per week, housed or not. The difference in 'benefits' is negligible at the lowest level and is actually quite significantly 'better' in France if they cannot be housed there.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 7:26:56 GMT
Stop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. Fun fact: Asylum seekers in France receive a minimum of €47.60 per person per week and, if unable to bw housed in France, receive €99.40 per person per week. Here they get £49.18 per person per week, housed or not. The difference in 'benefits' is neglible at the lowest level and is actually quite significantly 'better' in France if they cannot be housed there. Yes, but if they come over here, bosses of companies acting as accommodation brokers can increase their salaries tenfold: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234That potential conflict of interest isn’t an issue at all. Ooh no. Not at all.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 23, 2024 7:55:56 GMT
Stop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. Fun fact: Asylum seekers in France receive a minimum of €47.60 per person per week and, if unable to be housed in France, receive €99.40 per person per week. Here they get £49.18 per person per week, housed or not. The difference in 'benefits' is negligible at the lowest level and is actually quite significantly 'better' in France if they cannot be housed there. Plus per square miles of france and the UK i, guess there are more of these there than in this country. Its where they are housed here that winds so many people up about them. It will never go down well with many that they are housed in places they could not afford to go in normal times. One thing that all voters and non voters will agree on in the rwanda non policy. Nobody could seriously have thought that up.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 23, 2024 8:18:58 GMT
MPs being paid twice to basically do their job shouldn’t be allowed - whatever the hourly/daily rate is. “Second jobs” for MPs shouldn’t be allowed either. Unfortunately this is one situation where they are all it. (Or many of them are, anyway…) Agreed with the exception of health professionals who may want to keep licences.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 8:46:25 GMT
MPs being paid twice to basically do their job shouldn’t be allowed - whatever the hourly/daily rate is. “Second jobs” for MPs shouldn’t be allowed either. Unfortunately this is one situation where they are all it. (Or many of them are, anyway…) Agreed with the exception of health professionals who may want to keep licences. I’d flip that around though, and say medicine/healthcare is a profession where you probably shouldn’t be taking on a second job either. Not when the main complaint of medics/HCPs is overwork. Stand for election with that as a platform, by all means. But don’t pretend you can do it alongside your regular job.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 9:06:52 GMT
And how about this one, which is dwarfing all other Tory waste. She (Yvette Cooper) warned that the cost of the “indefinitely rising” asylum backlog in hotel and accommodation support bills was “astronomical”, telling MPs: “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” In her statement in the Commons, Cooper blasted the Conservative government’s “unworkable” Illegal Migration Act, which was introduced in March 2023 and cost the taxpayer billions by putting asylum seekers who arrived in the UK in a state of limbo. She said “legal contradictions” in the act created a situation akin to “Hotel California – people arrive in the asylum system and they never leave”, because no decisions could be taken on the cases of asylum seekers who arrived after March 2023 and met certain conditions. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/failed-rwanda-deportation-scheme-cost-700m-says-yvette-cooperStop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. Out of interest, why didn't your side do this with 14 years at the steering wheel, if it's as easy as you suggest? I'll answer. It's not possible and they couldn't do it. They couldn't even get flights off to Rwanda and they threw between half and three quarters of a billion quid trying. On a practical note. If you "book them into campsites" all that you'd then be doing is displacing people whom the only holiday they can afford is a holiday on a campsite. Not to mention the people who actually just really enjoy camping. I myself, for example, site my home from home on a campsite in the Lakes. I wouldn't have an issue with migrants on the site (I've housed desperate people throughout my life so I've somewhat walked the walk - albeit different circumstances as they were not migrants per-se). But what you seem to be espousing is a form of 'migration within a migration' where we shove migrants onto campsites to free up the good hotels for more deserving people to holiday at? That's not a solution it's just a displacement. How can you turn someone's wi-fi off? It's not the migrants who 'own' the Wi-Fi. They just own the means of connecting to the Wi-Fi. If you're suggesting we "punish" migrants into returning to France. A dangerous thing to do. A bit 'thin end of the wedge'. Yet again, I find myself comparing this with the early policy of a somewhat despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century who came up with the idea of making life so uncomfortable for people of a certain religious disposition that they would "Verpiss dich zurück nach Palästina" and/or "Madagaskar" or just simply "verschwunden sein". A better solution might be to get them processed and get them working, paying taxes and stuff like that such that OAPs like yourself can continue to benefit from things like the NHS, State Pensions, and so forth. Problem with solutions from people like yourselves. They're not solutions. They're just soundbites. Complete knee-jerk reactions with no substance, no practical executability, and absolutely zero likelihood of ever actually happening. One might say you're just wasting time and effort espousing them online which you'd be best spending with your three year old grandchild.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 9:13:41 GMT
Stop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. Fun fact: Asylum seekers in France receive a minimum of €47.60 per person per week and, if unable to be housed in France, receive €99.40 per person per week. Here they get £49.18 per person per week, housed or not. The difference in 'benefits' is negligible at the lowest level and is actually quite significantly 'better' in France if they cannot be housed there. You and your bloody facts. Anyhow, you've not been paying attention, he won't read your post. Definitely not.
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