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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 9:16:30 GMT
Fun fact: Asylum seekers in France receive a minimum of €47.60 per person per week and, if unable to bw housed in France, receive €99.40 per person per week. Here they get £49.18 per person per week, housed or not. The difference in 'benefits' is neglible at the lowest level and is actually quite significantly 'better' in France if they cannot be housed there. Yes, but if they come over here, bosses of companies acting as accommodation brokers can increase their salaries tenfold: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234That potential conflict of interest isn’t an issue at all. Ooh no. Not at all. EH? You man that if someone offered Jason here who runs our campsite £150/£300/£350 per night per pitch (camping/pod/static) that he'd take it rather than £50/£100/£150? Noooooo.....you're joking right?
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Post by vicar on Jul 23, 2024 9:19:37 GMT
Edit: The money received by Barry Gardner was used to employ extra staff carrying out reserach, there was never any question of personal gain, Christine Lee also received an award from number 10 while Theresa May was in office for her work in the community, I know it's not that long ago but relations with China were much better then.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 9:25:06 GMT
MPs being paid twice to basically do their job shouldn’t be allowed - whatever the hourly/daily rate is. “Second jobs” for MPs shouldn’t be allowed either. Unfortunately this is one situation where they are all it. (Or many of them are, anyway…) Or, for those MPs who CAN and do cope with other important jobs, perhaps some form of 'contract with their Constituency and Parliament' whereby minimum attendance and performance records are kept, and properly enforced such that if MPs are derelict they can be more easily axed from their position by someone in overall control such as the Speaker. In terms of funding then it should all be axed. All of it, in regards to MPs of all colours. Our Parliamentarians should not be funded by shady outsiders be they big oil, big tobacco, Green Energy, China, the EU, US, wherever and whatever. They're there to represent their constituents not feed from the tit of privileged position. I'd happily see them paid more if it tidied/cleaned everything up provided the clean up came first of course.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 10:00:07 GMT
Stop handing benefits to them, check them out of three and four star hotels and book them into camp sites. Turn their wi-fi off. They will soon be looking for cheap ferries back to France. Out of interest, why didn't your side do this with 14 years at the steering wheel, if it's as easy as you suggest? I'll answer. It's not possible and they couldn't do it. They couldn't even get flights off to Rwanda and they threw between half and three quarters of a billion quid trying. On a practical note. If you "book them into campsites" all that you'd then be doing is displacing people whom the only holiday they can afford is a holiday on a campsite. Not to mention the people who actually just really enjoy camping. I myself, for example, site my home from home on a campsite in the Lakes. I wouldn't have an issue with migrants on the site (I've housed desperate people throughout my life so I've somewhat walked the walk - albeit different circumstances as they were not migrants per-se). But what you seem to be espousing is a form of 'migration within a migration' where we shove migrants onto campsites to free up the good hotels for more deserving people to holiday at? That's not a solution it's just a displacement. How can you turn someone's wi-fi off? It's not the migrants who 'own' the Wi-Fi. They just own the means of connecting to the Wi-Fi. If you're suggesting we "punish" migrants into returning to France. A dangerous thing to do. A bit 'thin end of the wedge'. Yet again, I find myself comparing this with the early policy of a somewhat despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century who came up with the idea of making life so uncomfortable for people of a certain religious disposition that they would "Verpiss dich zurück nach Palästina" and/or "Madagaskar" or just simply "verschwunden sein". A better solution might be to get them processed and get them working, paying taxes and stuff like that such that OAPs like yourself can continue to benefit from things like the NHS, State Pensions, and so forth. Problem with solutions from people like yourselves. They're not solutions. They're just soundbites. Complete knee-jerk reactions with no substance, no practical executability, and absolutely zero likelihood of ever actually happening. One might say you're just wasting time and effort espousing them online which you'd be best spending with your three year old grandchild. You are overthinking this once again. Are you trying to wrestle the Yellowboard Wendy nom de plum off Nik ? By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. As for wi-fi supply, try walking in the Derbyshire hills and turning your wi-fi on. Correct there will be none available because there isn't a supply there. Same goes for any three or four star hotel. You simply flip the on/off switch and there you go. The wi-fi will be on or off. Come on, this is not rocket science. Anyway, get back to work.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 10:01:47 GMT
Yes, but if they come over here, bosses of companies acting as accommodation brokers can increase their salaries tenfold: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234That potential conflict of interest isn’t an issue at all. Ooh no. Not at all. EH? You man that if someone offered Jason here who runs our campsite £150/£300/£350 per night per pitch (camping/pod/static) that he'd take it rather than £50/£100/£150? Noooooo.....you're joking right? I doubt very much Jason would be offered much more than the going rate. The middle-man/woman, however…
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Post by nelly on Jul 23, 2024 10:17:41 GMT
Out of interest, why didn't your side do this with 14 years at the steering wheel, if it's as easy as you suggest? I'll answer. It's not possible and they couldn't do it. They couldn't even get flights off to Rwanda and they threw between half and three quarters of a billion quid trying. On a practical note. If you "book them into campsites" all that you'd then be doing is displacing people whom the only holiday they can afford is a holiday on a campsite. Not to mention the people who actually just really enjoy camping. I myself, for example, site my home from home on a campsite in the Lakes. I wouldn't have an issue with migrants on the site (I've housed desperate people throughout my life so I've somewhat walked the walk - albeit different circumstances as they were not migrants per-se). But what you seem to be espousing is a form of 'migration within a migration' where we shove migrants onto campsites to free up the good hotels for more deserving people to holiday at? That's not a solution it's just a displacement. How can you turn someone's wi-fi off? It's not the migrants who 'own' the Wi-Fi. They just own the means of connecting to the Wi-Fi. If you're suggesting we "punish" migrants into returning to France. A dangerous thing to do. A bit 'thin end of the wedge'. Yet again, I find myself comparing this with the early policy of a somewhat despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century who came up with the idea of making life so uncomfortable for people of a certain religious disposition that they would "Verpiss dich zurück nach Palästina" and/or "Madagaskar" or just simply "verschwunden sein". A better solution might be to get them processed and get them working, paying taxes and stuff like that such that OAPs like yourself can continue to benefit from things like the NHS, State Pensions, and so forth. Problem with solutions from people like yourselves. They're not solutions. They're just soundbites. Complete knee-jerk reactions with no substance, no practical executability, and absolutely zero likelihood of ever actually happening. One might say you're just wasting time and effort espousing them online which you'd be best spending with your three year old grandchild. You are overthinking this once again. Are you trying to wrestle the Yellowboard Wendy nom de plum off Nik ? By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. As for wi-fi supply, try walking in the Derbyshire hills and turning your wi-fi on. Correct there will be none available because there isn't a supply there. Same goes for any three or four star hotel. You simply flip the on/off switch and there you go. The wi-fi will be on or off. Come on, this is not rocket science. Anyway, get back to work. despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century. Poor Charlie Chaplin. What did he do wrong ? 🤣
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 10:20:49 GMT
You are overthinking this once again. Are you trying to wrestle the Yellowboard Wendy nom de plum off Nik ? By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. As for wi-fi supply, try walking in the Derbyshire hills and turning your wi-fi on. Correct there will be none available because there isn't a supply there. Same goes for any three or four star hotel. You simply flip the on/off switch and there you go. The wi-fi will be on or off. Come on, this is not rocket science. Anyway, get back to work. despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century. Poor Charlie Chaplin. What did he do wrong ? 🤣 I thought we were talking about Ming the Merciless from the original Flash Gordon comics…
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 10:21:52 GMT
Out of interest, why didn't your side do this with 14 years at the steering wheel, if it's as easy as you suggest? I'll answer. It's not possible and they couldn't do it. They couldn't even get flights off to Rwanda and they threw between half and three quarters of a billion quid trying. On a practical note. If you "book them into campsites" all that you'd then be doing is displacing people whom the only holiday they can afford is a holiday on a campsite. Not to mention the people who actually just really enjoy camping. I myself, for example, site my home from home on a campsite in the Lakes. I wouldn't have an issue with migrants on the site (I've housed desperate people throughout my life so I've somewhat walked the walk - albeit different circumstances as they were not migrants per-se). But what you seem to be espousing is a form of 'migration within a migration' where we shove migrants onto campsites to free up the good hotels for more deserving people to holiday at? That's not a solution it's just a displacement. How can you turn someone's wi-fi off? It's not the migrants who 'own' the Wi-Fi. They just own the means of connecting to the Wi-Fi. If you're suggesting we "punish" migrants into returning to France. A dangerous thing to do. A bit 'thin end of the wedge'. Yet again, I find myself comparing this with the early policy of a somewhat despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century who came up with the idea of making life so uncomfortable for people of a certain religious disposition that they would "Verpiss dich zurück nach Palästina" and/or "Madagaskar" or just simply "verschwunden sein". A better solution might be to get them processed and get them working, paying taxes and stuff like that such that OAPs like yourself can continue to benefit from things like the NHS, State Pensions, and so forth. Problem with solutions from people like yourselves. They're not solutions. They're just soundbites. Complete knee-jerk reactions with no substance, no practical executability, and absolutely zero likelihood of ever actually happening. One might say you're just wasting time and effort espousing them online which you'd be best spending with your three year old grandchild. You are overthinking this once again. Are you trying to wrestle the Yellowboard Wendy nom de plum off Nik ? By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. As for wi-fi supply, try walking in the Derbyshire hills and turning your wi-fi on. Correct there will be none available because there isn't a supply there. Same goes for any three or four star hotel. You simply flip the on/off switch and there you go. The wi-fi will be on or off. Come on, this is not rocket science. Anyway, get back to work. If there was that easy solution available that was also executable do you not think your guys, with 14 years experience, and a huge mandate with an eighty seat majority, would have spotted it and somehow managed to monetize it? There's no simple answer. If there was your guys would not have spaffed the best part of a billion quid on a complex, and inconclusive solution. Alternative line of thought. If there WAS a simple answer as you're outlining, and your side instead opted to spaff all that money on the complex, but no less unachievable, policy. Do you never stop to think why, or question/challenge your guys on what the hell they are up to/doing. Regards turning wi-fi off. Again, this is something that is easy to say but actually has practical problems. Do you need me to explain what those problems might be? Or can you actually think it through and work it out for yourself? Jesus, have you forgotten that your guys took down children's pictures aimed at giving young people coming across some comfort (bet you were jumping up and down like an inebriated adolescent when that happened eh?). Do you not think that they'd have also turned the wi-fi off if they could do it? Or indeed, if it would have made any practical difference/had any remarked impact? I'm a) not in work, b) when I am, I'm responsible for my own time and c) it's not really any of your business or concern what I do and when I choose to do it.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 10:26:55 GMT
EH? You man that if someone offered Jason here who runs our campsite £150/£300/£350 per night per pitch (camping/pod/static) that he'd take it rather than £50/£100/£150? Noooooo.....you're joking right? I doubt very much Jason would be offered much more than the going rate. The middle-man/woman, however…They'd all get snouts in the trough else Jason wouldn't do it. And believe you me...he'd do it...for a price (kidding. He's a really good bloke. Alfie Best, next door on the big holiday park on the other hand...)
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century. Poor Charlie Chaplin. What did he do wrong ? 🤣 I thought we were talking about Ming the Merciless from the original Flash Gordon comics… Ahhh come on you funny guys. Everyone knows I was talking about my hero Stalin...
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Post by Nik on Jul 23, 2024 10:40:33 GMT
Out of interest, why didn't your side do this with 14 years at the steering wheel, if it's as easy as you suggest? I'll answer. It's not possible and they couldn't do it. They couldn't even get flights off to Rwanda and they threw between half and three quarters of a billion quid trying. On a practical note. If you "book them into campsites" all that you'd then be doing is displacing people whom the only holiday they can afford is a holiday on a campsite. Not to mention the people who actually just really enjoy camping. I myself, for example, site my home from home on a campsite in the Lakes. I wouldn't have an issue with migrants on the site (I've housed desperate people throughout my life so I've somewhat walked the walk - albeit different circumstances as they were not migrants per-se). But what you seem to be espousing is a form of 'migration within a migration' where we shove migrants onto campsites to free up the good hotels for more deserving people to holiday at? That's not a solution it's just a displacement. How can you turn someone's wi-fi off? It's not the migrants who 'own' the Wi-Fi. They just own the means of connecting to the Wi-Fi. If you're suggesting we "punish" migrants into returning to France. A dangerous thing to do. A bit 'thin end of the wedge'. Yet again, I find myself comparing this with the early policy of a somewhat despotic, moustachioed character of the early to mid 20th century who came up with the idea of making life so uncomfortable for people of a certain religious disposition that they would "Verpiss dich zurück nach Palästina" and/or "Madagaskar" or just simply "verschwunden sein". A better solution might be to get them processed and get them working, paying taxes and stuff like that such that OAPs like yourself can continue to benefit from things like the NHS, State Pensions, and so forth. Problem with solutions from people like yourselves. They're not solutions. They're just soundbites. Complete knee-jerk reactions with no substance, no practical executability, and absolutely zero likelihood of ever actually happening. One might say you're just wasting time and effort espousing them online which you'd be best spending with your three year old grandchild. You are overthinking this once again. Are you trying to wrestle the Yellowboard Wendy nom de plum off Nik ? By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. As for wi-fi supply, try walking in the Derbyshire hills and turning your wi-fi on. Correct there will be none available because there isn't a supply there. Same goes for any three or four star hotel. You simply flip the on/off switch and there you go. The wi-fi will be on or off. Come on, this is not rocket science. Anyway, get back to work. You don't know the difference between 'Wi-Fi' and a cellular network, do you.
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Post by palmersears on Jul 23, 2024 11:11:27 GMT
By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. Lordy, my irony meter just exploded.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 23, 2024 11:18:03 GMT
You are overthinking this once again. Are you trying to wrestle the Yellowboard Wendy nom de plum off Nik ? By the way loved you childish graphic yesterday, and yes my 3 year old granddaughter could have done something far more creative. As for wi-fi supply, try walking in the Derbyshire hills and turning your wi-fi on. Correct there will be none available because there isn't a supply there. Same goes for any three or four star hotel. You simply flip the on/off switch and there you go. The wi-fi will be on or off. Come on, this is not rocket science. Anyway, get back to work. If there was that easy solution available that was also executable do you not think your guys, with 14 years experience, and a huge mandate with an eighty seat majority, would have spotted it and somehow managed to monetize it? There's no simple answer. If there was your guys would not have spaffed the best part of a billion quid on a complex, and inconclusive solution. Alternative line of thought. If there WAS a simple answer as you're outlining, and your side instead opted to spaff all that money on the complex, but no less unachievable, policy. Do you never stop to think why, or question/challenge your guys on what the hell they are up to/doing. Regards turning wi-fi off. Again, this is something that is easy to say but actually has practical problems. Do you need me to explain what those problems might be? Or can you actually think it through and work it out for yourself? Jesus, have you forgotten that your guys took down children's pictures aimed at giving young people coming across some comfort (bet you were jumping up and down like an inebriated adolescent when that happened eh?). Do you not think that they'd have also turned the wi-fi off if they could do it? Or indeed, if it would have made any practical difference/had any remarked impact? I'm a) not in work, b) when I am, I'm responsible for my own time and c) it's not really any of your business or concern what I do and when I choose to do it. Imagine trying to book onto a ferry with no money, no internet access, and no transport to the docks
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Post by Nik on Jul 23, 2024 11:20:11 GMT
If there was that easy solution available that was also executable do you not think your guys, with 14 years experience, and a huge mandate with an eighty seat majority, would have spotted it and somehow managed to monetize it? There's no simple answer. If there was your guys would not have spaffed the best part of a billion quid on a complex, and inconclusive solution. Alternative line of thought. If there WAS a simple answer as you're outlining, and your side instead opted to spaff all that money on the complex, but no less unachievable, policy. Do you never stop to think why, or question/challenge your guys on what the hell they are up to/doing. Regards turning wi-fi off. Again, this is something that is easy to say but actually has practical problems. Do you need me to explain what those problems might be? Or can you actually think it through and work it out for yourself? Jesus, have you forgotten that your guys took down children's pictures aimed at giving young people coming across some comfort (bet you were jumping up and down like an inebriated adolescent when that happened eh?). Do you not think that they'd have also turned the wi-fi off if they could do it? Or indeed, if it would have made any practical difference/had any remarked impact? I'm a) not in work, b) when I am, I'm responsible for my own time and c) it's not really any of your business or concern what I do and when I choose to do it. Imagine trying to book onto a ferry with no money, no internet access, and no transport to the docks Or receiving the decision on your asylum claim to know whether you need to leave in the first place.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 23, 2024 11:21:06 GMT
Just get a small boat back across. Don't overthink it.
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