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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 13:27:20 GMT
You're still bothering. Stop bothering. Getting there. But not given up hope yet...
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 23, 2024 13:34:23 GMT
You're still bothering. Stop bothering. Back in my car nut days, I used to be admin on a site which had a “Don’t Feed the Troll” emoji. Good times…
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Post by redhatter on Jul 23, 2024 13:39:27 GMT
I really don't think you grasp or understand issues TVOR? Reform and Nigel Farage spout populist nonsense. Easy solutions to complex issues.... Migrants don't come to the UK for £49.18 per person per week in benefit, whether that includes a house or not. They come to work or for family, most will speak English, they will want a better life for themselves. That isn't accessed via our benefits system. I've already posted an article explaining the problem. The Illegal Migration Act doesn't work, asylum seekers are in legal limbo due to bad legislation, cannot be deported and are effectively being given amnesty to remain, as great expense in the form of hotel accommodation. These are the problems: 1. There are no legal routes to claiming asylum in the UK 2. Legislation is badly written and migrants cannot be deported 3. Cases aren't being processed quickly enough, there is a massive back log 4. The criminal network of gangs are allowed to freely bring people to the UK, almost unchallenged How about this as a solution? 1. Set up asylum centres in France, so people who are genuine asylum seekers can apply in Calais. This removes the need for them to risk lives in small boats. We can then make a legal assumption that migrants choosing to ignore this legal route might be not be genuine asylum seekers and are more likely to be economic migrants 2. Rewrite legislation, so we can swiftly offer asylum to people in genuine need and to enable case workers to process claims quicker and deport economic migrants 3. Ensure the civil service has sufficient resource to quickly clear the back log of claims 4. Use the money that the Tories spaffed up the wall on the failed Rwanda scheme to target and break up the criminal network of people smugglers (Labour have already proposed they will do this)I have no issue with the ones that really do want to work and pay their way. What I don't understand is why benefits are paid to illegal immigrants, who also get accommodation, food, heating with no questions asked whilst so many Brits and indeed people who have fought for this country who remain homeless get very little support. It's OK saying that Labour will sort it. That, along with about twenty other grand plans. Where's all the money coming from ? Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in. Again, you are missing the point. Asylum seekers cannot work whilst they are in the UK by law. They are sitting in hotels or temporary accommodation for months or years in limbo, waiting for their application to be decided. We cannot simply not pay them benefits or give them accommodation, whilst we review their case. Where does the money come from? It comes from savings on the cost of hotels and accommodation. It costs billions to house asylum seekers, this is from the Guardian. “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” We need to process asylum claims quickly. Allow genuine asylum seekers to stay and allow them to work. Deport economic migrants. It's a simple as that. The failure to act (as the Tories have done), leaving people in hotels for years is absolutely astronomical.
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Post by hedleyverity on Jul 23, 2024 13:44:57 GMT
I have no issue with the ones that really do want to work and pay their way. What I don't understand is why benefits are paid to illegal immigrants, who also get accommodation, food, heating with no questions asked whilst so many Brits and indeed people who have fought for this country who remain homeless get very little support. It's OK saying that Labour will sort it. That, along with about twenty other grand plans. Where's all the money coming from ? Remember Gordon Brown took us to the brink of bankruptcy when Labour were last in. Again, you are missing the point. Asylum seekers cannot work whilst they are in the UK by law. They are sitting in hotels or temporary accommodation for months or years in limbo, waiting for their application to be decided. We cannot simply not pay them benefits or give them accommodation, whilst we review their case. Where does the money come from? It comes from savings on the cost of hotels and accommodation. It costs billions to house asylum seekers, this is from the Guardian. “The potential costs of asylum support over the next four years, if we continue down this track, could be an eye-watering £30bn to £40bn – that is double the annual police budget for England and Wales.” We need to process asylum claims quickly. Allow genuine asylum seekers to stay and allow them to work. Deport economic migrants. It's a simple as that. The failure to act (as the Tories have done), leaving people in hotels for years is absolutely astronomical. Leaving people in hotels for years paid for by the taxpayer makes some people very rich though, spot the pattern
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 14:14:31 GMT
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner Martin. There was no Wi-Fi in Torkington Park ;-) What can a I say, I didn't realise that there could be so many self-proclaimed political and legal experts in one location. Stockport ROCKS ! Remarkable. The clique are certainly blowing smoke in the direction of each other clique members backsides and at such remarkable speed. Time for a beer in the sunshine to celebrate
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 14:17:59 GMT
View AttachmentSorry for not getting back to you sooner Martin. There was no Wi-Fi in Torkington Park ;-) What can a I say, I didn't realise that there could be so many self-proclaimed political and legal experts in one location. Stockport ROCKS ! Remarkable. The clique are certainly blowing smoke in the direction of each other clique members backsides and at such remarkable speed. Time for a beer in the sunshine to celebrate You wouldn't be here espousing your views and opinions if it was a clique. Wrong word. Enjoy. I don't drink in the week. But I am out in the sunshine...
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Post by rreckless on Jul 23, 2024 14:20:20 GMT
View AttachmentSorry for not getting back to you sooner Martin. There was no Wi-Fi in Torkington Park ;-) What can a I say, I didn't realise that there could be so many self-proclaimed political and legal experts in one location. Stockport ROCKS ! Remarkable. The clique are certainly blowing smoke in the direction of each other clique members backsides and at such remarkable speed. Time for a beer in the sunshine to celebrate When the argument has been lost, revert to sarcasm.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 14:21:53 GMT
View AttachmentSorry for not getting back to you sooner Martin. There was no Wi-Fi in Torkington Park ;-) What can a I say, I didn't realise that there could be so many self-proclaimed political and legal experts in one location. Stockport ROCKS ! Remarkable. The clique are certainly blowing smoke in the direction of each other clique members backsides and at such remarkable speed. Time for a beer in the sunshine to celebrate Enjoy. I don't drink in the week. But I am out in the sunshine. You wouldn't be here espousing your views and opinions if it was a clique. Wrong word. For the record........ clique noun [ C, + sing/pl verb ] disapproving A small group of people who spend their time together and do not welcome other people into that group.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 23, 2024 14:23:11 GMT
Enjoy. I don't drink in the week. But I am out in the sunshine. You wouldn't be here espousing your views and opinions if it was a clique. Wrong word. For the record........ clique noun [ C, + sing/pl verb ] disapproving A small group of people who spend their time together and do not welcome other people into that group. You've literally self-owned there. It's not a small group. We don't spend time together. And we do welcome other people into the group. For example you. You're here. And you're welcomed (ish). If you were not, you would not be here. "Circle" is probably a better explanation. If I were a right winger I'd probably call it a bit of an echo chamber. It isn't of course. But it's definitely majority evil leftie. And the view of the world that you and your fellow small cabal of people on here have will always get challenged. If you don't like, or want, that then you're probably best staying 'across'.
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Post by mustafapoint on Jul 23, 2024 14:33:19 GMT
I say, TVOR, Old Bean. You put There have also been the co-ordinated strikes up and down the country organised and supported by the Labour party. The sight of Labour MP's on picket lines was ridiculous.Wot, Labour MPs supporting strikes? Has this come as a shock to you? I thought that you would know that the history of the Labour Movement tells us that unions and the Labour party have always been closely aligned? You're not one of these anti-union people that yearns for pre-union times when we had to do long hours on a six day week and no minimum wage? Maybe you read the paper belonging to this chap: www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10169209757940121&set=gm.1282278482736897&idorvanity=417063522591735
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 23, 2024 14:37:46 GMT
Enjoy. I don't drink in the week. But I am out in the sunshine. You wouldn't be here espousing your views and opinions if it was a clique. Wrong word. For the record........ clique noun [ C, + sing/pl verb ] disapproving A small group of people who spend their time together and do not welcome other people into that group. You're literally part of this group you senile cuck
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Post by hedleyverity on Jul 23, 2024 14:44:50 GMT
The thread could definitely benefit from right wing posters capable of factual, rational argument, so could Parliament, there don’t seem to many in the country, never mind on here.
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Post by tvor on Jul 23, 2024 14:46:36 GMT
For the record........ clique noun [ C, + sing/pl verb ] disapproving A small group of people who spend their time together and do not welcome other people into that group. You're literally part of this group you senile cuck LMAO. You can't see it can you Count. If posters don't tow the Labour/Commie party line then clique kicks into action. Try posting what you really think and not what you think the clique would like you to post. Thankfully I was warned a few weeks back.
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Post by Nik on Jul 23, 2024 14:59:46 GMT
You're literally part of this group you senile cuck LMAO. You can't see it can you Count. If posters don't tow the Labour/Commie party line then clique kicks into action. Try posting what you really think and not what you think the clique would like you to post. Thankfully I was warned a few weeks back. You've barely posted a single thing you really think since you've been here.
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Post by Lee on Jul 23, 2024 15:02:16 GMT
You're literally part of this group you senile cuck LMAO. You can't see it can you Count. If posters don't tow the Labour/Commie party line then clique kicks into action. Try posting what you really think and not what you think the clique would like you to post. Thankfully I was warned a few weeks back. Talking of being warned I saw the 4 letter abbreviation crop up on here* and feared the worst. Turns out I was right.
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