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Post by Nik on Jul 25, 2024 21:45:37 GMT
Mental that anyone can defend the actions of the copper there, no matter what came before it. Yes and also strange that someone has already called it a racist incident.No reason to? There are people of all political/social backgrounds who will try to make capital out of these incidents. Thankfully most people will calmly wait and see. Right now all we can see is a police officer kicking and stamping on the head of a prone and subdued man. We don't need to wait and see to condemn those actions.
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Post by ebbs on Jul 25, 2024 22:09:12 GMT
Whilst the footage of the kicking and stamping on a prone and defenceless individual is shocking and indefensible, from what I have read and heard, there is clearly other evidence and footage we haven't seen that may put the overall police response in a different light. We'll have to wait and see and have faith that those who deserve it get served justice whether wearing a uniform or not.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 25, 2024 22:09:48 GMT
Some of my best days were when I worked up on the 13th floor at CIS. Great place to be (back then, anyway…) Table tennis ? My working life’s never been that good! But a whole bunch of people all my age, straight out of the office into the middle of town after work, sneaky naps on the trollies down in the archives if you’d overdone it the night before, free lunches in the canteen, AND five pounds an hour paid weekly… What wasn’t to like?!?!
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Post by nelly on Jul 25, 2024 22:24:18 GMT
My working life’s never been that good! But a whole bunch of people all my age, straight out of the office into the middle of town after work, sneaky naps on the trollies down in the archives if you’d overdone it the night before, free lunches in the canteen, AND five pounds an hour paid weekly… What wasn’t to like?!?! Once the tallest building in Manchester too.
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Post by scfc29 on Jul 25, 2024 22:29:50 GMT
Whilst the footage of the kicking and stamping on a prone and defenceless individual is shocking and indefensible, from what I have read and heard, there is clearly other evidence and footage we haven't seen that may put the overall police response in a different light. We'll have to wait and see and have faith that those who deserve it get served justice whether wearing a uniform or not. There’s no footage that can put the response in a light where the policeman’s actions were justified. The guy was restrained on the ground, couldn’t move and was booted twice in the head. If the reports of him breaking the police lady’s nose are true, hopefully both he and the copper that booted him get to spend a couple of years inside each.
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Post by ebbs on Jul 25, 2024 22:45:11 GMT
Whilst the footage of the kicking and stamping on a prone and defenceless individual is shocking and indefensible, from what I have read and heard, there is clearly other evidence and footage we haven't seen that may put the overall police response in a different light. We'll have to wait and see and have faith that those who deserve it get served justice whether wearing a uniform or not. There’s no footage that can put the response in a light where the policeman’s actions were justified. The guy was restrained on the ground, couldn’t move and was booted twice in the head. If the reports of him breaking the police lady’s nose are true, hopefully both he and the copper that booted him get to spend a couple of years inside each. Agreed, that's why I referred to the overall police response not the individual who took it upon himself to carry out the assault on the person on the ground. Hopefully everyone stays calm until the investigation is concluded and everyone has been served what they deserve.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 25, 2024 23:20:00 GMT
Whilst the footage of the kicking and stamping on a prone and defenceless individual is shocking and indefensible, from what I have read and heard, there is clearly other evidence and footage we haven't seen that may put the overall police response in a different light. We'll have to wait and see and have faith that those who deserve it get served justice whether wearing a uniform or not. There is no different light. The suspect was detained there is zero justification for extra judicial action from the police officer. As has been said elsewhere the police are supposed to uphold the law they are not above it. Not only is there no justification but that sort of action on a detained man can backfire massively if any criminal charges are sought against the detained man in question.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 25, 2024 23:20:47 GMT
Whilst the footage of the kicking and stamping on a prone and defenceless individual is shocking and indefensible, from what I have read and heard, there is clearly other evidence and footage we haven't seen that may put the overall police response in a different light. We'll have to wait and see and have faith that those who deserve it get served justice whether wearing a uniform or not. There’s no footage that can put the response in a light where the policeman’s actions were justified. The guy was restrained on the ground, couldn’t move and was booted twice in the head. If the reports of him breaking the police lady’s nose are true, hopefully both he and the copper that booted him get to spend a couple of years inside each. 100% this.
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Post by tvor on Jul 26, 2024 6:38:17 GMT
There’s no footage that can put the response in a light where the policeman’s actions were justified. The guy was restrained on the ground, couldn’t move and was booted twice in the head. If the reports of him breaking the police lady’s nose are true, hopefully both he and the copper that booted him get to spend a couple of years inside each. Agreed, that's why I referred to the overall police response not the individual who took it upon himself to carry out the assault on the person on the ground. Hopefully everyone stays calm until the investigation is concluded and everyone has been served what they deserve. So, three armed police officers and a female police officer were attacked. The question that perhaps needs to be asked would there be this outcry had they used their weapons to stun them with shots to their ankles or knees to calm them down? Sadly there are people, indeed groups in the UK who appear to think they are above the law. Would you attack an armed policeman? I certainly wouldn't. I've worked over at Rochdale for almost twenty years. It's a shithole. There are certainly plenty of no go areas and the only good thing coming out of it is the M621. What the policeman did at Manchester Airport was wrong, however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope. Oh by the way, I speak from experience with a friend of ours being murdered over there four years ago by a gang of these out of control freaks.
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Post by mattyovrio on Jul 26, 2024 7:01:23 GMT
Agreed, that's why I referred to the overall police response not the individual who took it upon himself to carry out the assault on the person on the ground. Hopefully everyone stays calm until the investigation is concluded and everyone has been served what they deserve. So, three armed police officers and a female police officer were attacked. The question that perhaps needs to be asked would there be this outcry had they used their weapons to stun them with shots to their ankles or knees to calm them down? Sadly there are people, indeed groups in the UK who appear to think they are above the law. Would you attack an armed policeman? I certainly wouldn't. I've worked over at Rochdale for almost twenty years. It's a shithole. There are certainly plenty of no go areas and the only good thing coming out of it is the M621. What the policeman did at Manchester Airport was wrong, however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope. Oh by the way, I speak from experience with a friend of ours being murdered over there four years ago by a gang of these out of control freaks. No go areas in Rochdale? Not in the sense that you are in danger if you go there. More like you wouldn’t want to go there. Who’d want to go to Richdale if a county aren’t playing anyway?🤣 the police have all the power they can handle. They don’t need to be given any more. Anyone who attended football games in the 80s or witnessed what they did in the various strikes at the time can tell you they did exactly as they wished and the have only been given more since not less. i am ambivalent towards what happened at the airport based on what has come to light so far. If the lad that got stomped on did what they say he did, quite frankly anything coming his way he was asking for. However, the police are paid and trained and told to act in a certain way. They are given powers and weapons the rest of us (quite rightly) don’t possess. Whilst it is a difficult job, they need to be able to show control of their behaviour at all time. This police officer clearly didn’t have that. He had lost it completely and for someone who is armed, that is a very dangerous thing, even if entirely understandable. I can’t see him remaining in the police. There won’t be any manual he has seen that shows that move.
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Post by Nik on Jul 26, 2024 7:02:47 GMT
Agreed, that's why I referred to the overall police response not the individual who took it upon himself to carry out the assault on the person on the ground. Hopefully everyone stays calm until the investigation is concluded and everyone has been served what they deserve. So, three armed police officers and a female police officer were attacked. The question that perhaps needs to be asked would there be this outcry had they used their weapons to stun them with shots to their ankles or knees to calm them down? Sadly there are people, indeed groups in the UK who appear to think they are above the law. Would you attack an armed policeman? I certainly wouldn't. I've worked over at Rochdale for almost twenty years. It's a shithole. There are certainly plenty of no go areas and the only good thing coming out of it is the M621. What the policeman did at Manchester Airport was wrong, however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope. Oh by the way, I speak from experience with a friend of ours being murdered over there four years ago by a gang of these out of control freaks. If the 'more power' they're given involves them being allowed to kick and stamp on people's heads, it's a hard no from me I'm afraid.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 26, 2024 7:11:29 GMT
The most accurate thing in yet more obvious bait material was that the M621 is the best thing to come out of Rochdale.
Fact fans: The M621 comes out of Leeds.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 26, 2024 7:20:34 GMT
There’s no footage that can put the response in a light where the policeman’s actions were justified. The guy was restrained on the ground, couldn’t move and was booted twice in the head. If the reports of him breaking the police lady’s nose are true, hopefully both he and the copper that booted him get to spend a couple of years inside each. 100% this. Exactly, a good summing up Stranded. If their had been footage of what kicked it off the usual suspects would have been all over it. What happened to the words reasonable force. If it had been the other way round the bloke would be serving the maximum possible sentance for his actions and rightly so. If found guilty so should this cop and if he does not another george floyed situation could easily turn up. people have been killed with one punch never mind two kicks in the head and both are lucky, the prison who could be dead and the copper on a manslaughter charge at least.
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Post by tvor on Jul 26, 2024 7:27:20 GMT
So, three armed police officers and a female police officer were attacked. The question that perhaps needs to be asked would there be this outcry had they used their weapons to stun them with shots to their ankles or knees to calm them down? Sadly there are people, indeed groups in the UK who appear to think they are above the law. Would you attack an armed policeman? I certainly wouldn't. I've worked over at Rochdale for almost twenty years. It's a shithole. There are certainly plenty of no go areas and the only good thing coming out of it is the M621. What the policeman did at Manchester Airport was wrong, however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope. Oh by the way, I speak from experience with a friend of ours being murdered over there four years ago by a gang of these out of control freaks. If the 'more power' they're given involves them being allowed to kick and stamp on people's heads, it's a hard no from me I'm afraid.
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Post by tvor on Jul 26, 2024 7:29:51 GMT
The most accurate thing in yet more obvious bait material was that the M621 is the best thing to come out of Rochdale. Fact fans: The M621 comes out of Leeds. Correct. I apologise for that mistake. it is the A627M. The M621 does indeed give a reasonable exit from the other shithole known as Leeds.
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