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Post by timberwolf on Jul 26, 2024 7:30:44 GMT
So, three armed police officers and a female police officer were attacked. The question that perhaps needs to be asked would there be this outcry had they used their weapons to stun them with shots to their ankles or knees to calm them down? Sadly there are people, indeed groups in the UK who appear to think they are above the law. Would you attack an armed policeman? I certainly wouldn't. I've worked over at Rochdale for almost twenty years. It's a shithole. There are certainly plenty of no go areas and the only good thing coming out of it is the M621. What the policeman did at Manchester Airport was wrong, however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope. Oh by the way, I speak from experience with a friend of ours being murdered over there four years ago by a gang of these out of control freaks. Who actually created these so called no go areas. Who are unable to enter these, the general public or the police who have made them that way. Once they were called rough areas of a town or city and it does not matter who lives in them and tries to control the streets. They were never easy to police but they were unlike today they have just been left to rot and allowed the gangs to control. Do fear the idea of there is a two tier police system around is correct and its not all the fault of the police in this where minorities seem to be ruling the majority in most subjects we have talked about on here recently.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 26, 2024 7:35:07 GMT
The most accurate thing in yet more obvious bait material was that the M621 is the best thing to come out of Rochdale. Fact fans: The M621 comes out of Leeds. Correct. I apologise for that mistake. it is the A627M. The M621 does indeed give a reasonable exit from the other shithole known as Leeds. Both roads via the M62 give em quick transportation links between both crap places. There has been a few offences committed where someone from one of those places committed crimes in the other.
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Post by Nik on Jul 26, 2024 7:36:13 GMT
If the 'more power' they're given involves them being allowed to kick and stamp on people's heads, it's a hard no from me I'm afraid. " however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope." If you remove the microscope, you remove the responsibility to not act like that copper did.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 26, 2024 7:38:57 GMT
Exactly, a good summing up Stranded. If their had been footage of what kicked it off the usual suspects would have been all over it. What happened to the words reasonable force. If it had been the other way round the bloke would be serving the maximum possible sentance for his actions and rightly so. If found guilty so should this cop and if he does not another george floyed situation could easily turn up. people have been killed with one punch never mind two kicks in the head and both are lucky, the prison who could be dead and the copper on a manslaughter charge at least. Bottom line is, whatever happened before that should be dealt with by the legal system, and what happened in that footage won't be excused by that and should also be dealt with by the legal system and any relevant internal police procedures. At this stage, if anyone is trying to make it about where people come from or about racism on the part of the police, they are engaged either in over-reach, given the paucity of information at present, or they are deliberately engaging in shit-stirring. I do not say this is a storm in a teacup, because of that paucity of information, but I do think it's best left at 'Behaviour of copper is disgraceful, let the law take its cause on all fronts' until more is known on all elements of what happened. Reform MPs still behaving like they're on their own GBNews slot is disgraceful but not at all surprising. They wish to drag our country down and will take every opportunity to do so.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 26, 2024 7:45:26 GMT
There won’t be any manual he has seen that shows that move. There isn’t. I’ve linked the applicable guidance already (not that I expected anybody supporting the police’s actions to read it… ) admittedly alongside a sarcastic comment. It also says suspects shouldn’t be restrained face down any longer than absolutely necessary, but heigh-ho… Oh, and there isn’t really any such thing as a ‘stun’ shot from a traditional firearm (as opposed to a taser). Many gunshot wounds can be treated given prompt and effective first aid, but without that, being shot pretty much anywhere can lead to fatal blood loss surprisingly quickly. AFOs aren’t trained to fire warning shots or go for extremities like you sometimes see in the movies because of the likelihood of missing and therefore (a) failing to stop the individual suspected of posing an imminent threat to life, and (b) potentially hitting someone else. As already indicated, this is why AFOs can often be seen with a taser and a pistol or rifle, on a sort of <IF><THEN><ELSE> basis.
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Post by tvor on Jul 26, 2024 7:48:34 GMT
There won’t be any manual he has seen that shows that move. There isn’t. I’ve linked the applicable guidance already (not that I expected anybody supporting the police’s actions to read it… ) admittedly alongside a sarcastic comment. It also says suspects shouldn’t be restrained face down any longer than absolutely necessary, but heigh-ho… Oh, and there isn’t really any such thing as a ‘stun’ shot from a traditional firearm (as opposed to a taser). Many gunshot wounds can be treated given prompt and effective first aid, but without that, being shot pretty much anywhere can lead to fatal blood loss surprisingly quickly. AFOs aren’t trained to fire warning shots or go for extremities like you sometimes see in the movies because of the likelihood of missing and therefore (a) failing to stop the individual suspected of posing an imminent threat to life, and (b) potentially hitting someone else. As already indicated, this is why AFOs can often be seen with a taser and a pistol or rifle, on a sort of <IF><THEN><ELSE> basis. Maybe a shot/clip to the lug hole then which appeared to be acceptable by many on here a couple of weeks ago
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Post by Nik on Jul 26, 2024 7:52:18 GMT
There isn’t. I’ve linked the applicable guidance already (not that I expected anybody supporting the police’s actions to read it… ) admittedly alongside a sarcastic comment. It also says suspects shouldn’t be restrained face down any longer than absolutely necessary, but heigh-ho… Oh, and there isn’t really any such thing as a ‘stun’ shot from a traditional firearm (as opposed to a taser). Many gunshot wounds can be treated given prompt and effective first aid, but without that, being shot pretty much anywhere can lead to fatal blood loss surprisingly quickly. AFOs aren’t trained to fire warning shots or go for extremities like you sometimes see in the movies because of the likelihood of missing and therefore (a) failing to stop the individual suspected of posing an imminent threat to life, and (b) potentially hitting someone else. As already indicated, this is why AFOs can often be seen with a taser and a pistol or rifle, on a sort of <IF><THEN><ELSE> basis. Maybe a shot/clip to the lug hole then which appeared to be acceptable by many on here a couple of weeks ago That's just not true, is it.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 26, 2024 7:57:36 GMT
Truth is whatever you want it to be. I think that's critical to the modern age. It will also be its downfall.
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Post by vicar on Jul 26, 2024 8:22:27 GMT
So, three armed police officers and a female police officer were attacked. The question that perhaps needs to be asked would there be this outcry had they used their weapons to stun them with shots to their ankles or knees to calm them down? Sadly there are people, indeed groups in the UK who appear to think they are above the law. Would you attack an armed policeman? I certainly wouldn't. I've worked over at Rochdale for almost twenty years. It's a shithole. There are certainly plenty of no go areas and the only good thing coming out of it is the M621. What the policeman did at Manchester Airport was wrong, however it's probably time for the police to be given more power to go about their daily jobs without their action constantly being put under the microscope. Oh by the way, I speak from experience with a friend of ours being murdered over there four years ago by a gang of these out of control freaks. No go areas in Rochdale? Not in the sense that you are in danger if you go there. More like you wouldn’t want to go there. Who’d want to go to Richdale if a county aren’t playing anyway?🤣 the police have all the power they can handle. They don’t need to be given any more. Anyone who attended football games in the 80s or witnessed what they did in the various strikes at the time can tell you they did exactly as they wished and the have only been given more since not less. i am ambivalent towards what happened at the airport based on what has come to light so far. If the lad that got stomped on did what they say he did, quite frankly anything coming his way he was asking for. However, the police are paid and trained and told to act in a certain way. They are given powers and weapons the rest of us (quite rightly) don’t possess. Whilst it is a difficult job, they need to be able to show control of their behaviour at all time. This police officer clearly didn’t have that. He had lost it completely and for someone who is armed, that is a very dangerous thing, even if entirely understandable. I can’t see him remaining in the police. There won’t be any manual he has seen that shows that move. The difference between this incident and what happened with football fans in the 80s is everything is filmed, I've been kicked and punched by the old Bill and probably deserved it, I can't believe anyone would be so stupid to do that now with everyone carrying a camera, he's basically just thrown his career away.
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Post by palmersears on Jul 26, 2024 8:37:37 GMT
There are times when the use of reasonable force by the police is necessary. What constitutes 'reasonable' is of course very difficult to define, will vary on a case-by-case basis, and should be the absolute last resort for the officer(s) involved. However, stamping on the head a defenceless individual, regardless of what they have done to necessitate being restrained in the first place, is perhaps as far removed from 'reasonable' as it's possible to get. I'm not sure how anybody can condone it.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 26, 2024 8:39:53 GMT
Truth is whatever you want it to be. I think that's critical to the modern age. It will also be its downfall. It hasn’t necessarily aged well in the intervening eight years, and I don’t always agreed with Curtis’s points and opinions, but this is worth a watch all the same if you haven’t already seen it:
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 26, 2024 9:08:03 GMT
There are times when the use of reasonable force by the police is necessary. What constitutes 'reasonable' is of course very difficult to define, will vary on a case-by-case basis, and should be the absolute last resort for the officer(s) involved. However, stamping on the head a defenceless individual, regardless of what they have done to necessitate being restrained in the first place, is perhaps as far removed from 'reasonable' as it's possible to get. I'm not sure how anybody can condone it. Once the police could police by word of mouth because of respect. Did they lose the respect or is it the general public who refuse to obey laws and orders they do not agree with now. Feel its a mixture of both but some sections will never obey even if what they are asked to do is a reasonable request for others. Its just the attitude of i,m a copper and you do what i say most will not agree with and react now and thats possible the type of person employed now doing the job.
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Post by desmond on Jul 26, 2024 9:15:12 GMT
Obviously some more video evidence of this attack to come out as the family lawyer has apparently been across various media stating it was an attempted assassination ! A quick google of said lawyer suggests he has a slightly contentious view on certain things.
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Post by Nik on Jul 26, 2024 9:22:44 GMT
Obviously some more video evidence of this attack to come out as the family lawyer has apparently been across various media stating it was an attempted assassination ! A quick google of said lawyer suggests he has a slightly contentious view on certain things. Yeah, they've made a mistake hiring that idiot haven't they; proper ambulance-chasing fodder.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 26, 2024 9:23:36 GMT
The most accurate thing in yet more obvious bait material was that the M621 is the best thing to come out of Rochdale. Fact fans: The M621 comes out of Leeds. Correct. I apologise for that mistake. it is the A627M. The M621 does indeed give a reasonable exit from the other shithole known as Leeds. Why is Leeds a shithole? I work there, it's a great city.
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