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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 31, 2024 7:28:50 GMT
Well would you look at that. Assuming that's true, is it really a surprise that a British man whose parents came from a country that is 98% non-Muslim turns out to not be Muslim? Especially so as it is the judgement of Parliament that the Republic of Rwanda is a safe country. (Slightly tangential and sarcastic, but I’m sure many people suggesting “they’re all like that over there” right now were also cheering on certain recent pieces of Conservative legislation.)
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2024 7:31:41 GMT
Labour had votes for 16 and 17 year olds as a manifesto commitment and they were elected on the basis of that, so I can't see how anyone can have any complaints. We've seen the Tories try to manipulate and gerrymander the voting process. Voter ID, accepting voter ID for 65+, but not the equivalent documentation for younger people. They've bribed elderly voters for years and weighted everything in their favour. It didn't work, but they did manage to disenfranchise around 3% of the population and reduce voter turnout, which is very bad for democracy. Meanwhile, like Ricky say, those older voters predominantly voted Brexit and it has absolutely screwed the country. The black hole is the public finances, the lack of investment in public services is all due to the lack of economic growth since 2016. If the UK economy had grown at the same rate of other OCED countries, our economy would be around £140bn bigger and there would have been £58bn for the government in revenues. I'm sorry but the Tories can go to hell. Labour has every right to bring in votes at 16 and they should make sure it is in place for the next election. Those hated over 65,s are not seen rioting on the streets , involved in knife crime or murdering kids and teens. The bigger percentage of them might have voted for brexit which they did not really get but there has been much worse happening to the country and its population over the years than partly leaving the EU. If younger people had been the brexiteers, lurching to the right, would some be as keen on allowing them to vote.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2024 7:38:54 GMT
Not sure I agree with that, just as the people of Rwanda shouldn't feel embarrassed by their heritage due to one dickhead's actions, we can condemn the idiots doing this tonight without feeling embarrassed of our heritage. Too many dickheads looking for any excuse to cause problems, kids in balaclavas ignoring the law and tearing around neighbourhoods on bikes/quads. Population uneasy about trusting the people who are there to protect us (not talking about the airport), politicians who just can't be trusted, a culture of self centred values, inherent racism etc etc etc. Loads to be proud of. You mean just like harehills. So many people just looking for any old excuse to cause as much trouble as possible across the board even if they are not affected personally with its original cause. Do not think there is a single part of all the different communities you can never blame.
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Post by hedleyverity on Jul 31, 2024 8:26:35 GMT
Labour had votes for 16 and 17 year olds as a manifesto commitment and they were elected on the basis of that, so I can't see how anyone can have any complaints. We've seen the Tories try to manipulate and gerrymander the voting process. Voter ID, accepting voter ID for 65+, but not the equivalent documentation for younger people. They've bribed elderly voters for years and weighted everything in their favour. It didn't work, but they did manage to disenfranchise around 3% of the population and reduce voter turnout, which is very bad for democracy. Meanwhile, like Ricky say, those older voters predominantly voted Brexit and it has absolutely screwed the country. The black hole is the public finances, the lack of investment in public services is all due to the lack of economic growth since 2016. If the UK economy had grown at the same rate of other OCED countries, our economy would be around £140bn bigger and there would have been £58bn for the government in revenues. I'm sorry but the Tories can go to hell. Labour has every right to bring in votes at 16 and they should make sure it is in place for the next election. Those hated over 65,s are not seen rioting on the streets , involved in knife crime or murdering kids . Some of them were when they were younger, none of these things are new
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 31, 2024 8:41:53 GMT
Labour had votes for 16 and 17 year olds as a manifesto commitment and they were elected on the basis of that, so I can't see how anyone can have any complaints. We've seen the Tories try to manipulate and gerrymander the voting process. Voter ID, accepting voter ID for 65+, but not the equivalent documentation for younger people. They've bribed elderly voters for years and weighted everything in their favour. It didn't work, but they did manage to disenfranchise around 3% of the population and reduce voter turnout, which is very bad for democracy. Meanwhile, like Ricky say, those older voters predominantly voted Brexit and it has absolutely screwed the country. The black hole is the public finances, the lack of investment in public services is all due to the lack of economic growth since 2016. If the UK economy had grown at the same rate of other OCED countries, our economy would be around £140bn bigger and there would have been £58bn for the government in revenues. I'm sorry but the Tories can go to hell. Labour has every right to bring in votes at 16 and they should make sure it is in place for the next election. Those hated over 65,s are not seen rioting on the streets , involved in knife crime or murdering kids and teens. The bigger percentage of them might have voted for brexit which they did not really get but there has been much worse happening to the country and its population over the years than partly leaving the EU. If younger people had been the brexiteers, lurching to the right, would some be as keen on allowing them to vote. Confirmation bias is what you're guilty of here mate. See graphic below. No real effort put in by me. My request into Google - "how many old people commit crimes uk". This was the first response. I have looked no further and know the graph is limited. But it probably indicates that you may need to do some further research in making this claim. I could also mention people such as Harold Shipman. Jimmy Saville. Rolf Harris. Hugh Edwards... As high profile cases of old people committing heinous crimes. I won't even delve into the idea of older aged politicians and THEIR criminality globally over the past few years. I'll add one further comment. Why do old people who are physically capable commit less crime than young people in this country? Perhaps young people might have more to be upset about? I'll just throw that out there...
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 31, 2024 8:56:16 GMT
Labour had votes for 16 and 17 year olds as a manifesto commitment and they were elected on the basis of that, so I can't see how anyone can have any complaints. We've seen the Tories try to manipulate and gerrymander the voting process. Voter ID, accepting voter ID for 65+, but not the equivalent documentation for younger people. They've bribed elderly voters for years and weighted everything in their favour. It didn't work, but they did manage to disenfranchise around 3% of the population and reduce voter turnout, which is very bad for democracy. Meanwhile, like Ricky say, those older voters predominantly voted Brexit and it has absolutely screwed the country. The black hole is the public finances, the lack of investment in public services is all due to the lack of economic growth since 2016. If the UK economy had grown at the same rate of other OCED countries, our economy would be around £140bn bigger and there would have been £58bn for the government in revenues. I'm sorry but the Tories can go to hell. Labour has every right to bring in votes at 16 and they should make sure it is in place for the next election. Those hated over 65,s are not seen rioting on the streets , involved in knife crime or murdering kids and teens. The bigger percentage of them might have voted for brexit which they did not really get but there has been much worse happening to the country and its population over the years than partly leaving the EU. If younger people had been the brexiteers, lurching to the right, would some be as keen on allowing them to vote. Thomas Hamilton was closer to 65 than 17 FWIW.
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Post by Nik on Jul 31, 2024 9:15:07 GMT
This is what coming together in support of a grieving community looks like, not the shite that caused last night's scenes.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 31, 2024 9:16:53 GMT
This is what coming together in support of a grieving community looks like, not the shite that caused last night's scenes. Good people.
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Post by Waldorf on Jul 31, 2024 9:20:46 GMT
FFS just looked at this . Not for the first time I am embarrassed by my British Anglo Saxon heritage. What is wrong with people. I'm not embarrassed. They're f-all to do with me. I'm sad though. Incredibly sad about too much in this world.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 31, 2024 9:23:26 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 31, 2024 9:26:00 GMT
Those people are to be opposed. They represent nothing good. If that's what the best of our country looks like, we're f*cked. Fortunately, they're not the best we've got. There's loads better out there and those better people will ultimately prevail.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 31, 2024 9:27:04 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election. We can hope…
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Post by Nik on Jul 31, 2024 9:32:35 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election. Can't see anything other than a decisive Trump win (based on very little, in truth) but it really would be the funniest thing ever if Trump lost again.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 31, 2024 9:44:29 GMT
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Post by mustafapoint on Jul 31, 2024 10:05:18 GMT
I guess in countries with large Muslim populations they don't have reports alluding to a person's religion if s/he was a non-Muslim.
And so what if the Southport murderer was a Muslim? His religion is irrelevant. He might have mental health problems.
I remember somebody telling me about a fight in a pub and that a black man had thrown a chair. Would one draw attention to a white man in a similar way? I believe not.
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