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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2024 10:17:18 GMT
Those hated over 65,s are not seen rioting on the streets , involved in knife crime or murdering kids and teens. The bigger percentage of them might have voted for brexit which they did not really get but there has been much worse happening to the country and its population over the years than partly leaving the EU. If younger people had been the brexiteers, lurching to the right, would some be as keen on allowing them to vote. Confirmation bias is what you're guilty of here mate. See graphic below. No real effort put in by me. My request into Google - "how many old people commit crimes uk". This was the first response. I have looked no further and know the graph is limited. But it probably indicates that you may need to do some further research in making this claim. I could also mention people such as Harold Shipman. Jimmy Saville. Rolf Harris. Hugh Edwards... As high profile cases of old people committing heinous crimes. I won't even delve into the idea of older aged politicians and THEIR criminality globally over the past few years. I'll add one further comment. Why do old people who are physically capable commit less crime than young people in this country? Perhaps young people might have more to be upset about? I'll just throw that out there... Problem for a start the graph is flawed as it represents people between 50 and 65 and not over 65 that i said. The thing with age is young people have always had more to be upset about than when they get older. They expect a better life than those of the past without a good reason for it. Been there myself as most of us have. The facts are especially amongst the white population of this country that the old now are seen as worthless and their opinions less so. Chuck em in a care home or get as much out of em whilst we can seems the name of the game. We can learn from the immigrants a lot in how to care and listen to our older family members were they are cared for and thought more about in their communities even if they voted for brexit and have different views that may or not be set in the past.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2024 10:26:25 GMT
I guess in countries with large Muslim populations they don't have reports alluding to a person's religion if s/he was a non-Muslim. And so what if the Southport murderer was a Muslim? His religion is irrelevant. He might have mental health problems. I remember somebody telling me about a fight in a pub and that a black man had thrown a chair. Would one draw attention to a white man in a similar way? I believe not. There is a big difference whether a person is muslim or christian. Nobody knows whether they actually practise there religeon or not which is the important fact. Those who say we are a christian country are not taking into account those who do not follow the religeon in the same way not everyone from muslim countries follow there,s either. The one about a pub fight where the black man throws a chair is more to do with less black men about to throw a chair rather than a racist overtone about the fact. Possibly in a predominatly black country a white man throwing the chair would get the mention of colour.
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Post by bristolhatter on Jul 31, 2024 10:48:37 GMT
To be fair you could have done the same meme with those with a vested interest during the BLM protests. The city I live in had more damage (albeit less violence against the police) during a pandemic because of something that tragically happened to one individual on the other side of the world. Idiots on all sides hijack tragic events and stoke up public anger for their own agendas.
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2024 12:02:21 GMT
To be fair you could have done the same meme with those with a vested interest during the BLM protests. The city I live in had more damage (albeit less violence against the police) during a pandemic because of something that tragically happened to one individual on the other side of the world. Idiots on all sides hijack tragic events and stoke up public anger for their own agendas. More or less nobody is satisfied with their lot and expect far more from life even if they are getting more than their ancestors ever got. Thats either slavery for one or near slavery in the 19th century for the other.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 31, 2024 13:06:41 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election. Can't see anything other than a decisive Trump win (based on very little, in truth) but it really would be the funniest thing ever if Trump lost again. It's sort of all changed quite dramatically. He's losing lots of support (which switched to Harris as soon as she announced she was running). Suggesting they don't like Trump but preferred him over Biden (only). In the week following the assassination attempt (or random shooting) his polling went up by 0.2points only apparently. And he's began to come out swinging at media such as Fox because he believes they aren't supporting him enough and giving too much platform to his opponents. In recent interviews he's started going down the route of "get out and vote Christians, you won't ever have to again if I get in" and "if we win we'll get them" and "the only way we can lose is if we're cheated". It's losing him some support. He's scaring even Republicans with this stuff apparently. Yet...he can't help himself. And his running mate Vance has caused deep division on the right because a) he's weird and b) he's really, REALLY, crap. Meantime Harris is campaigning on a very positive basis. The US economy is doing pretty well on the global stage. Her popularity has soared and where there was a huge gap in polling in favour of Trump (v Biden) he's polling more or less identically to Harris now. Also (from an American) she's drawing absolutely gargantuan funding compared to Trump and this really matters in US Elections. Fingers crossed. I want to see him gone (not shot of course - although there's a huge question mark now (of course) over even that).
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 31, 2024 13:06:59 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election. There’s a lot more enthusiasm for her than I anticipated, which is a good thing. Very pleased that early signs are suggesting my pessimism on her was misguided.
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Post by Mozzer on Jul 31, 2024 13:09:41 GMT
Maybe 'not a ludicrous old bloke' is a good thing.
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Post by ricky on Jul 31, 2024 13:13:03 GMT
I wonder when people will wake up to the fact that huge swathes of memes, created to cause division, come from Russia, as do many comments on social media accounts such as the MEN. No anti Putin memes of course, funny that. He’s a far bigger threat to our way of life than any poor sod coming over here on a dinghy. It’s been going on for years, including Brexit influence. They’ll be going all out in Harris. The leaked false name of the Southport murderer came from a Russian bot.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 31, 2024 13:16:22 GMT
Confirmation bias is what you're guilty of here mate. See graphic below. No real effort put in by me. My request into Google - "how many old people commit crimes uk". This was the first response. I have looked no further and know the graph is limited. But it probably indicates that you may need to do some further research in making this claim. I could also mention people such as Harold Shipman. Jimmy Saville. Rolf Harris. Hugh Edwards... As high profile cases of old people committing heinous crimes. I won't even delve into the idea of older aged politicians and THEIR criminality globally over the past few years. I'll add one further comment. Why do old people who are physically capable commit less crime than young people in this country? Perhaps young people might have more to be upset about? I'll just throw that out there... Problem for a start the graph is flawed as it represents people between 50 and 65 and not over 65 that i said. The thing with age is young people have always had more to be upset about than when they get older. They expect a better life than those of the past without a good reason for it. Been there myself as most of us have. The facts are especially amongst the white population of this country that the old now are seen as worthless and their opinions less so. Chuck em in a care home or get as much out of em whilst we can seems the name of the game. We can learn from the immigrants a lot in how to care and listen to our older family members were they are cared for and thought more about in their communities even if they voted for brexit and have different views that may or not be set in the past. Hence my comment "the graph is limited" but it still indicates trend. I do get the impression that the young(er) are tired of hearing them bellyache and also a little tired of seeing Government fall over themselves to give them more of everything whilst giving the opposite end of the spectrum less of everything. In terms of society's general attitude towards care for our old people on a holistic rather than individual level. We're a very selfish, self-centred, society. Who's to blame for that. Ummm...now let me think. Given the manner in which the older demographic with their property, their triple lock Pensions and healthy Private Pensions, their generally good standard of living, and longer life expectancies, said "f*ck off kids. We've had ours. Screw you lot" to the younger generations during the Brexit vote I don't think negative attitudes towards them/us will change I'm afraid.
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Post by nelly on Jul 31, 2024 14:13:03 GMT
Problem for a start the graph is flawed as it represents people between 50 and 65 and not over 65 that i said. The thing with age is young people have always had more to be upset about than when they get older. They expect a better life than those of the past without a good reason for it. Been there myself as most of us have. The facts are especially amongst the white population of this country that the old now are seen as worthless and their opinions less so. Chuck em in a care home or get as much out of em whilst we can seems the name of the game. We can learn from the immigrants a lot in how to care and listen to our older family members were they are cared for and thought more about in their communities even if they voted for brexit and have different views that may or not be set in the past. Hence my comment "the graph is limited" but it still indicates trend. I do get the impression that the young(er) are tired of hearing them bellyache and also a little tired of seeing Government fall over themselves to give them more of everything whilst giving the opposite end of the spectrum less of everything. In terms of society's general attitude towards care for our old people on a holistic rather than individual level. We're a very selfish, self-centred, society. Who's to blame for that. Ummm...now let me think. Given the manner in which the older demographic with their property, their triple lock Pensions and healthy Private Pensions, their generally good standard of living, and longer life expectancies, said "f*ck off kids. We've had ours. Screw you lot" to the younger generations during the Brexit vote I don't think negative attitudes towards them/us will change I'm afraid. Thatcher started the me,me,me selfish attitude.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Jul 31, 2024 14:17:51 GMT
Problem for a start the graph is flawed as it represents people between 50 and 65 and not over 65 that i said. The thing with age is young people have always had more to be upset about than when they get older. They expect a better life than those of the past without a good reason for it. Been there myself as most of us have. The facts are especially amongst the white population of this country that the old now are seen as worthless and their opinions less so. Chuck em in a care home or get as much out of em whilst we can seems the name of the game. We can learn from the immigrants a lot in how to care and listen to our older family members were they are cared for and thought more about in their communities even if they voted for brexit and have different views that may or not be set in the past. Hence my comment "the graph is limited" but it still indicates trend. I do get the impression that the young(er) are tired of hearing them bellyache and also a little tired of seeing Government fall over themselves to give them more of everything whilst giving the opposite end of the spectrum less of everything. In terms of society's general attitude towards care for our old people on a holistic rather than individual level. We're a very selfish, self-centred, society. Who's to blame for that. Ummm...now let me think. Given the manner in which the older demographic with their property, their triple lock Pensions and healthy Private Pensions, their generally good standard of living, and longer life expectancies, said "f*ck off kids. We've had ours. Screw you lot" to the younger generations during the Brexit vote I don't think negative attitudes towards them/us will change I'm afraid. I just really really hope my generation (millennial) don't then go 'Well it happened to us so suck it up, buttercup' to their kids
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Post by Fez on Jul 31, 2024 14:37:29 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election. Can't see anything other than a decisive Trump win (based on very little, in truth) but it really would be the funniest thing ever if Trump lost again. It would be; but it might also be the salvation of American democracy, so any laughter would have to be secondary to a massive sigh of relief. Not that Republicans would let that quietly slide by - expect a repeat of or worse than the January 6th attack, plus all kinds of legal challenges. In fact, the process has already started, with, for just one example, a few states trying to get Harris removed from the ballot. The president of the Heritage Foundation, meanwhile, is threatening "bloodshed and violence" if their "second American revolution" is challenged and people do not "submit" to it. And he has openly alluded in a recent speech to behind-the-scenes manoeuvers to manipulate the election. If Trump were to prevail I doubt that it would be "decisively". And I doubt that he would carry the popular vote, as indeed he did not in 2016. It will, as so frequently in recent elections, come down to a handful of swing states; and potentially swayed by voter suppression, fraud, Russian interference, decades of gerrymandering and a corrupt and partisan Supreme Court.
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Post by Fez on Jul 31, 2024 14:50:08 GMT
Switching over to the US. Kamala seems to be blowing Trump out of the water from what I've been reading this morning. Interesting. Looks like Biden stepping down could have been very transformative in this Election. There’s a lot more enthusiasm for her than I anticipated, which is a good thing. Very pleased that early signs are suggesting my pessimism on her was misguided. It's the re-invigoration that I'd hoped for. Biden's advantage until recently had been that he could beat Trump (again), but that platform began to wobble too much. The Democrats had to take a swing, and the timing was spot on. Mrs. Fez has an idea that this had been planned for a while, and Biden's insistence in the past month or so that he would continue as candidate was a smokescreen. They were waiting until after the Republican National Conference and installation of the lunatic JD Vance as VP candidate. Nothing against old dudes - well, plenty against Trump, but you know what I mean - but the American public has become wearied with a gerontocratic slugfest at the top. Harris is a tonic but faces a vitriolic opposition.
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Post by Philcounty on Jul 31, 2024 16:35:18 GMT
State of these absolute idiots
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Jul 31, 2024 16:55:32 GMT
There’s a lot more enthusiasm for her than I anticipated, which is a good thing. Very pleased that early signs are suggesting my pessimism on her was misguided. It's the re-invigoration that I'd hoped for. Biden's advantage until recently had been that he could beat Trump (again), but that platform began to wobble too much. The Democrats had to take a swing, and the timing was spot on. Mrs. Fez has an idea that this had been planned for a while, and Biden's insistence in the past month or so that he would continue as candidate was a smokescreen. They were waiting until after the Republican National Conference and installation of the lunatic JD Vance as VP candidate. Nothing against old dudes - well, plenty against Trump, but you know what I mean - but the American public has become wearied with a gerontocratic slugfest at the top. Harris is a tonic but faces a vitriolic opposition. Most of this is true but my concern with Harris was she was a bit too “Hilary”, more than any of the stuff going on around it. I was very unimpressed with her when she ran for the candidacy in 2020 and her legal background never seemed to come through in debates or on the stump. My fear was it felt too much like Hilary Clinton in 2016 with it being “her turn”. However, the noises from her camp have given me cause for cautious optimism, the types of political commentators in America I usually see as an accurate barometer on these matters are fully behind her and even early (very early) polling is promising. Harris does align more with the Democratic base (and even a lot of their Congresspeople) than Biden does while being enough of a centrist to not scare the swing voters (whoever is left). The idea that it was the plan all along is a nice one, but credible sources have spoken on Biden feeling betrayed by Obama and Pelosi and that he was forced into this position. He even moved to endorse Harris to prevent them installing one of their preferred candidates - who have mostly said they weren’t interested. I would also say that to say that platform (that Biden could beat Trump) had begun to wobble is an understatement. Biden was going to lose and it’s been clear for a couple of months now. Harris could win. I hope she does.
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