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Post by timberwolf on Aug 6, 2020 9:13:19 GMT
, it only records the actual cause of death and not previous illnesses, I tend to believe the latter. even if the previous illness was terminal cancer. actually know of two cases of this happening and if you can believe others there has been plenty more the same. funny how the media seem to have gone now from only reporting cases of positive testing and not deaths anymore.
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 6, 2020 10:40:23 GMT
, it only records the actual cause of death and not previous illnesses, I tend to believe the latter. even if the previous illness was terminal cancer. actually know of two cases of this happening and if you can believe others there has been plenty more the same. funny how the media seem to have gone now from only reporting cases of positive testing and not deaths anymore. Err. Colour me confused (doesn't take much). If I have terminal cancer. But I catch Covid and die of it. Then Covid killed me. Not terminal cancer. This may be what you are saying and I may be missing the point...
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Post by ebbs on Aug 6, 2020 13:06:26 GMT
However if you have terminal cancer and are under palliative care, catch covid but to all extents you appear to have recovered from it, then 2 months later die from cancer then its the cancer that killed you. It's also more complicated than that e.g. if Covid kills you, how much was the terminal cancer an influence on that death, and similarly if the cancer kills you, even if you have recovered from the virus, did it weaken you to the extent that the cancer got you earlier than it should. I know that in care homes patients have been assigned dying from covid without any test, purely because the doctor thought that it might have been present. It should be remembered that other winter viruses sadly account for masses of elderly in care homes every year. When my Mother in law was in a home we used to chat and joke with all the residents. A couple of years ago a chest infection did the rounds, and literally within a week wiped out most of the people we used to chat to. It was devastating. Cause of death would have been recorded as upper respiratory chest infection or something but now would be ascribed to covid, symptoms would have been roughly the same.
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 7, 2020 9:03:50 GMT
even if the previous illness was terminal cancer. actually know of two cases of this happening and if you can believe others there has been plenty more the same. funny how the media seem to have gone now from only reporting cases of positive testing and not deaths anymore. Err. Colour me confused (doesn't take much). If I have terminal cancer. But I catch Covid and die of it. Then Covid killed me. Not terminal cancer. This may be what you are saying and I may be missing the point... yes it is.
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Post by Nik on Aug 7, 2020 10:26:44 GMT
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Aug 7, 2020 11:43:34 GMT
Probably all celebrating Eid.
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Post by leicesterhatter on Aug 7, 2020 12:43:03 GMT
Made this point when the restrictions came back in. The areas in Trafford with the most severe spikes show that this is not isolated to any sort of group.
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Aug 8, 2020 10:09:01 GMT
I rezd that if someone had covid and recovered but got hit by a bus it would be recorded as a covid death, then I read that's rubbish as the death certificate wouldn't even mention it, it only records the actual cause of death and not previous illnesses, I tend to believe the latter. As an experienced Bereavement Manager I can confirm that the cause of death along with underlying/ contributory causes have to be and are recorded. In the example given covid wouldn't be classed as a cause or contributory cause. I get it was an extreme example to make your point though. 👍
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 8, 2020 10:33:51 GMT
I rezd that if someone had covid and recovered but got hit by a bus it would be recorded as a covid death, then I read that's rubbish as the death certificate wouldn't even mention it, it only records the actual cause of death and not previous illnesses, I tend to believe the latter. As an experienced Bereavement Manager I can confirm that the cause of death along with underlying/ contributory causes have to be and are recorded. In the example given covid wouldn't be classed as a cause or contributory cause. I get it was an extreme example to make your point though. 👍 Absolutely sincere question mate. What's a 'Bereavement Manager'?
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Post by houldsworthhatter on Aug 8, 2020 10:42:54 GMT
As an experienced Bereavement Manager I can confirm that the cause of death along with underlying/ contributory causes have to be and are recorded. In the example given covid wouldn't be classed as a cause or contributory cause. I get it was an extreme example to make your point though. 👍 Absolutely sincere question mate. What's a 'Bereavement Manager'? No worries. I'm a Senior Manager for a funeral company mate. I've worked in the industry for 29 years. Managed at a junor level and also been the MD of a Crematorium. All this followed 8 years working as a Funeral Director. Hope this helps!
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Post by bigmartin on Aug 8, 2020 10:59:02 GMT
Absolutely sincere question mate. What's a 'Bereavement Manager'? No worries. I'm a Senior Manager for a funeral company mate. I've worked in the industry for 29 years. Managed at a junor level and also been the MD of a Crematorium. All this followed 8 years working as a Funeral Director. Hope this helps! Pretty amazing. I'm really interested in people's interesting and quirky careers. I think largely because mine's been a bit dull and I wish I'd taken a different direction at school/college. Coincidentally a good friend of mine is the 'Son' in Frank Duffy and Son up here in Whitworth. In his spare time he's a drummer, sound tech, and hires out as a sound engineer and Sound System manager. Also runs a recording/rehearsal studio. If you took one look at him, his main job would be the last job on the planet that you guessed
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Post by CB1883 on Aug 8, 2020 13:17:43 GMT
However if you have terminal cancer and are under palliative care, catch covid but to all extents you appear to have recovered from it, then 2 months later die from cancer then its the cancer that killed you. It's also more complicated than that e.g. if Covid kills you, how much was the terminal cancer an influence on that death, and similarly if the cancer kills you, even if you have recovered from the virus, did it weaken you to the extent that the cancer got you earlier than it should. I know that in care homes patients have been assigned dying from covid without any test, purely because the doctor thought that it might have been present. It should be remembered that other winter viruses sadly account for masses of elderly in care homes every year. When my Mother in law was in a home we used to chat and joke with all the residents. A couple of years ago a chest infection did the rounds, and literally within a week wiped out most of the people we used to chat to. It was devastating. Cause of death would have been recorded as upper respiratory chest infection or something but now would be ascribed to covid, symptoms would have been roughly the same. Yep, I saw somewhere online that other respiratory related deaths are down massively. I'll try and dig out the link to see if it was somewhere reputable or not. Seeing people with the opinion of 'Well they were going to die anyway so how can it be put down to COVID' makes my blood boil. If someone is terminally ill and only has a limited time left and COVID further reduces that time then it should most definitely be classed as a contributing factor to their death.
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Post by desmond on Aug 8, 2020 14:53:35 GMT
No worries. I'm a Senior Manager for a funeral company mate. I've worked in the industry for 29 years. Managed at a junor level and also been the MD of a Crematorium. All this followed 8 years working as a Funeral Director. Hope this helps! Pretty amazing. I'm really interested in people's interesting and quirky careers. I think largely because mine's been a bit dull and I wish I'd taken a different direction at school/college. Coincidentally a good friend of mine is the 'Son' in Frank Duffy and Son up here in Whitworth. In his spare time he's a drummer, sound tech, and hires out as a sound engineer and Sound System manager. Also runs a recording/rehearsal studio. If you took one look at him, his main job would be the last job on the planet that you guessed On a slight jobs tangent many years ago I was a humble light bulb sales rep and when meeting other reps in cash and carries etc always claimed to have the most boring product to sell......then I met the guy who sold the paper bags for sweets 😀
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Post by The Real Exile on Aug 8, 2020 15:00:40 GMT
I sold some right rubbish as a student trying to earn a crust- alarms,windows even BK's Conservatories he personally gave me the sack
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 15:01:12 GMT
Absolutely sincere question mate. What's a 'Bereavement Manager'? No worries. I'm a Senior Manager for a funeral company mate. I've worked in the industry for 29 years. Managed at a junor level and also been the MD of a Crematorium. All this followed 8 years working as a Funeral Director. Hope this helps! One of my neighbours over here does exactly the same thing. Well paid managerial job. She just quit after many years to be a 911 police dispatcher working night shifts. Can’t get my head around it. Think she’s avoiding her husband to be honest.
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