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Post by timberwolf on Jul 31, 2020 11:00:52 GMT
Not to mention it's far more likely to be those from the Lancashire side who are in denial - someone from Oldham, Bolton, Wigan, Rochdale can't wait to tell you they're from Lancashire. funny how people look into the past when it suites them. there will be so many who were born after the day greater manchester was born itself. was a great pity that postcodes were not changed with the end of non greater manchester area ones with just one for all areas. would have stopped the obvious post code snobbery and arguements on where your town exists.
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Post by scfc73 on Jul 31, 2020 11:17:09 GMT
sorry but these rules don't make any sense at all, It's ok for me to go to work and spend up to 12 hours indoors with people from a different household but it's not ok for me to have one person from a different household in my house or garden?
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Post by Philcounty on Jul 31, 2020 12:01:20 GMT
sorry but these rules don't make any sense at all, It's ok for me to go to work and spend up to 12 hours indoors with people from a different household but it's not ok for me to have one person from a different household in my house or garden? One is essential; the other isn't.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Jul 31, 2020 12:02:28 GMT
Who said how or if I voted ? And I was directly quoting what the local authority were saying about the latest situation, it wasn’t just my take on things. Cummings would be proud (you know that unelected bloke who wouldn't look out of place in Game of Thrones) as it gives the public a different, unspecific group of people to focus their derision on. They've spent 4 months successfully deflecting blame to such an extent that Tories like yourself have forgotten that we have the highest death toll in Europe and the 3rd in the world. Your bunch have done a shockingly bad job in comparison to other Countries. As Imposter says the 18-25 age group are more likely to work in areas that make Social Distancing nigh on impossible. Larger Companies who are happy with a working from home policy are more likely to support their more senior staff in doing so. The 18 to 25 age group haven't had the time to climb the greasy pole that older people have. Test Track and Trace isn't working properly. We've started wearing face masks (in some places) over the last week even though some older wearers seem to feel that it makes them impervious whilst the Johnson, Gove and others bang on incessantly about using non specifics ie Great British Common Sense!. We don't need rules, laws, guidelines just common sense and a section of society to take the blame (even better if blamed by another party). Straightforward regulations were needed from the outset not guidelines with get out clauses for friends, family and bosses (ie Cummings). It's not too late to put it right but do they want to? It sometimes gets lost with the "look over there" game that the media play, but this shower are some of the most incompetent politicians ever to hold power. You won't be surprised that I hated the Tories of the 80s, but when you consider them as competent politicians - even pursuing policies I loathed - they were absolute colossi compared to the current bunch. Even John Major - widely ridiculed at the time - is an infinitely better statesman than any of the current lot, including the hair-ruffling chancer at the top. Look at them: Raab, Patel, Shapps, Gove, Williamson - the list of mediocrity is endless. They're got no philosophy than first year undergraduate "free market capitalism is everything/steady as she goes" which makes it hardly surprising that when a genuine crisis arose they had f*ck all idea how to deal with it, panicked like rabbits in the headlights and oversaw a response which saw an island nation with the worst death toll in Europe. And the guy at the top coveted the job sooo badly - yet now he's got it, and all the trappings, he's happy to let his unelected minion run the show whilst he sits on his lazy fat arse trying to remember how many children he's got. Oh, and on the wider point - Tories always want to blame someone. It's how they operate. World banking crisis - Labour spent too much. Economic hardship - immigrants and welfare claimants. Covid spike - youngsters going out and doing exactly what we encouraged them to do. They're scum, and anyone who helped vote them in needs to own it.
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Post by desmond on Jul 31, 2020 12:04:26 GMT
Who said how or if I voted ? And I was directly quoting what the local authority were saying about the latest situation, it wasn’t just my take on things. Cummings would be proud (you know that unelected bloke who wouldn't look out of place in Game of Thrones) as it gives the public a different, unspecific group of people to focus their derision on. They've spent 4 months successfully deflecting blame to such an extent that Tories like yourself have forgotten that we have the highest death toll in Europe and the 3rd in the world. Your bunch have done a shockingly bad job in comparison to other Countries. As Imposter says the 18-25 age group are more likely to work in areas that make Social Distancing nigh on impossible. Larger Companies who are happy with a working from home policy are more likely to support their more senior staff in doing so. The 18 to 25 age group haven't had the time to climb the greasy pole that older people have. Test Track and Trace isn't working properly. We've started wearing face masks (in some places) over the last week even though some older wearers seem to feel that it makes them impervious whilst the Johnson, Gove and others bang on incessantly about using non specifics ie Great British Common Sense!. We don't need rules, laws, guidelines just common sense and a section of society to take the blame (even better if blamed by another party). Straightforward regulations were needed from the outset not guidelines with get out clauses for friends, family and bosses (ie Cummings). It's not too late to put it right but do they want to? Pointless really getting into a political debate as hardly anyone ever changes their view on things and I would point out that my post was around the data of the spike in cases around Stockport and not about the politics of it. Equally interesting is that though many on here dive in and defend the younger ones of the community who are not following the guidance that they are very comfortable in criticising the older age groups as you have done here. Ps. References to games of thrones are wasted on me, never seen an episode, is it as good as crossroads was back in my day 😀
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Post by suedehead on Jul 31, 2020 12:09:40 GMT
Bet The Sun will be itching to post a photo tomorrow of any area in North Lancs/West Yorks/Rusholme that shows people not complying with it tonight. Would put money on it.
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Post by Nik on Jul 31, 2020 12:19:16 GMT
Cummings would be proud (you know that unelected bloke who wouldn't look out of place in Game of Thrones) as it gives the public a different, unspecific group of people to focus their derision on. They've spent 4 months successfully deflecting blame to such an extent that Tories like yourself have forgotten that we have the highest death toll in Europe and the 3rd in the world. Your bunch have done a shockingly bad job in comparison to other Countries. As Imposter says the 18-25 age group are more likely to work in areas that make Social Distancing nigh on impossible. Larger Companies who are happy with a working from home policy are more likely to support their more senior staff in doing so. The 18 to 25 age group haven't had the time to climb the greasy pole that older people have. Test Track and Trace isn't working properly. We've started wearing face masks (in some places) over the last week even though some older wearers seem to feel that it makes them impervious whilst the Johnson, Gove and others bang on incessantly about using non specifics ie Great British Common Sense!. We don't need rules, laws, guidelines just common sense and a section of society to take the blame (even better if blamed by another party). Straightforward regulations were needed from the outset not guidelines with get out clauses for friends, family and bosses (ie Cummings). It's not too late to put it right but do they want to? Pointless really getting into a political debate as hardly anyone ever changes their view on things and I would point out that my post was around the data of the spike in cases around Stockport and not about the politics of it. Equally interesting is that though many on here dive in and defend the younger ones of the community who are not following the guidance that they are very comfortable in criticising the older age groups as you have done here. Ps. References to games of thrones are wasted on me, never seen an episode, is it as good as crossroads was back in my day 😀 So, to confirm, you're blaming the region wide lockdown on 18-25 year olds in one of the 10 boroughs.
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Post by Nik on Jul 31, 2020 12:20:43 GMT
Bet The Sun will be itching to post a photo tomorrow of any area in North Lancs/West Yorks/Rusholme that shows people not complying with it tonight. Would put money on it. The Guardian have already been quite selective in their imagery:
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Post by vicar on Jul 31, 2020 12:22:42 GMT
Bet The Sun will be itching to post a photo tomorrow of any area in North Lancs/West Yorks/Rusholme that shows people not complying with it tonight. Would put money on it. Eid is purely coincidental.
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Post by bigmartin on Jul 31, 2020 12:23:18 GMT
Cummings would be proud (you know that unelected bloke who wouldn't look out of place in Game of Thrones) as it gives the public a different, unspecific group of people to focus their derision on. They've spent 4 months successfully deflecting blame to such an extent that Tories like yourself have forgotten that we have the highest death toll in Europe and the 3rd in the world. Your bunch have done a shockingly bad job in comparison to other Countries. As Imposter says the 18-25 age group are more likely to work in areas that make Social Distancing nigh on impossible. Larger Companies who are happy with a working from home policy are more likely to support their more senior staff in doing so. The 18 to 25 age group haven't had the time to climb the greasy pole that older people have. Test Track and Trace isn't working properly. We've started wearing face masks (in some places) over the last week even though some older wearers seem to feel that it makes them impervious whilst the Johnson, Gove and others bang on incessantly about using non specifics ie Great British Common Sense!. We don't need rules, laws, guidelines just common sense and a section of society to take the blame (even better if blamed by another party). Straightforward regulations were needed from the outset not guidelines with get out clauses for friends, family and bosses (ie Cummings). It's not too late to put it right but do they want to? It sometimes gets lost with the "look over there" game that the media play, but this shower are some of the most incompetent politicians ever to hold power. You won't be surprised that I hated the Tories of the 80s, but when you consider them as competent politicians - even pursuing policies I loathed - they were absolute colossi compared to the current bunch. Even John Major - widely ridiculed at the time - is an infinitely better statesman than any of the current lot, including the hair-ruffling chancer at the top. Look at them: Raab, Patel, Shapps, Gove, Williamson - the list of mediocrity is endless. They're got no philosophy than first year undergraduate "free market capitalism is everything/steady as she goes" which makes it hardly surprising that when a genuine crisis arose they had f*ck all idea how to deal with it, panicked like rabbits in the headlights and oversaw a response which saw an island nation with the worst death toll in Europe. And the guy at the top coveted the job sooo badly - yet now he's got it, and all the trappings, he's happy to let his unelected minion run the show whilst he sits on his lazy fat arse trying to remember how many children he's got. Oh, and on the wider point - Tories always want to blame someone. It's how they operate. World banking crisis - Labour spent too much. Economic hardship - immigrants and welfare claimants. Covid spike - youngsters going out and doing exactly what we encouraged them to do. They're scum, and anyone who helped vote them in needs to own it. Did you somehow steal my Facebook profile
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Post by desmond on Jul 31, 2020 12:29:11 GMT
Pointless really getting into a political debate as hardly anyone ever changes their view on things and I would point out that my post was around the data of the spike in cases around Stockport and not about the politics of it. Equally interesting is that though many on here dive in and defend the younger ones of the community who are not following the guidance that they are very comfortable in criticising the older age groups as you have done here. Ps. References to games of thrones are wasted on me, never seen an episode, is it as good as crossroads was back in my day 😀 So, to confirm, you're blaming the region wide lockdown on 18-25 year olds in one of the 10 boroughs. You’ll have to help me there as pretty sure I’ve restricted my comments to what had been communicated as one of the major causes of the spike in Stockport (You then dived in and said it was embarrassing for that to be suggested and others said I was wrong despite the council pointing it out all week). I haven’t mentioned the spikes elsewhere, no doubt there may be some connections across all areas but also likely that each area has its own major driving factor.
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Post by scfc73 on Jul 31, 2020 12:42:42 GMT
sorry but these rules don't make any sense at all, It's ok for me to go to work and spend up to 12 hours indoors with people from a different household but it's not ok for me to have one person from a different household in my house or garden? One is essential; the other isn't. Does covid differentiate between essential & non essential? I work in a crew of 3 operating a machine, i'm in close proximity with my crew all day, yet those other two lads i work closely with aren't allowed to sit in my garden & have a beer? sorry but once again the rules are mixed,muddy, & unenforcable. I'm not down playing the seriousness of covid at all but annoyed at the mixed messages we get. Also Stockport has had one of the lowest rates of infection in the region, granted a small spike of infections was reported last week atrributed to a care home & a small number of 16-26 year olds, (i think the number of infections was 15?) does this warrant a local lockdown?
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Post by Philcounty on Jul 31, 2020 13:10:43 GMT
One is essential; the other isn't. Does covid differentiate between essential & non essential? I work in a crew of 3 operating a machine, i'm in close proximity with my crew all day, yet those other two lads i work closely with aren't allowed to sit in my garden & have a beer? sorry but once again the rules are mixed,muddy, & unenforcable. I'm not down playing the seriousness of covid at all but annoyed at the mixed messages we get. Also Stockport has had one of the lowest rates of infection in the region, granted a small spike of infections was reported last week atrributed to a care home & a small number of 16-26 year olds, (i think the number of infections was 15?) does this warrant a local lockdown? I get what you're saying. Of course Covid doesn't discriminate, but the point is to limit the amount of time people spend with others. Working, shopping etc. are essential to the economy, sitting in the garden with mates isn't so it makes sense to limit those first. It's no longer a case of limiting the highest risk activities, but more a case of limiting the activities we can afford to limit. With regards to the in and outs of local lockdowns. I've not looked at the statistics enough to defend or vilify the decisions.
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Post by Nik on Jul 31, 2020 13:10:56 GMT
So, to confirm, you're blaming the region wide lockdown on 18-25 year olds in one of the 10 boroughs. You’ll have to help me there as pretty sure I’ve restricted my comments to what had been communicated as one of the major causes of the spike in Stockport (You then dived in and said it was embarrassing for that to be suggested and others said I was wrong despite the council pointing it out all week). I haven’t mentioned the spikes elsewhere, no doubt there may be some connections across all areas but also likely that each area has its own major driving factor. You blamed this action, which has been taken across the entirety of Greater Manchester as a whole as well as other areas, on 18-25 year olds in Stockport on your first post in this thread. No meetings of more than 1 household banned from midnight tonight in all of Greater Manchester due to increase in cases. Well done all of those in the 18-25 age group who have driven this in Stockport. The action taken isn't specific to Stockport nor is it directly attributed to the issue the council highlighted. Had it been specifically Stockport then you might have had an argument for blame, but there's nothing that even suggests that the council-highlighted issue played even a small role in the decision; moreso when you consider a Tory MP earlier actually blamed BAME communities for the new restrictions.
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Post by desmond on Jul 31, 2020 13:16:34 GMT
You’ll have to help me there as pretty sure I’ve restricted my comments to what had been communicated as one of the major causes of the spike in Stockport (You then dived in and said it was embarrassing for that to be suggested and others said I was wrong despite the council pointing it out all week). I haven’t mentioned the spikes elsewhere, no doubt there may be some connections across all areas but also likely that each area has its own major driving factor. You blamed this action, which has been taken across the entirety of Greater Manchester as a whole as well as other areas, on 18-25 year olds in Stockport on your first post in this thread. No meetings of more than 1 household banned from midnight tonight in all of Greater Manchester due to increase in cases. Well done all of those in the 18-25 age group who have driven this in Stockport. The action taken isn't specific to Stockport nor is it directly attributed to the issue the council highlighted. Had it been specifically Stockport then you might have had an argument for blame, but there's nothing that even suggests that the council-highlighted issue played even a small role in the decision; moreso when you consider a Tory MP earlier actually blamed BAME communities for the new restrictions. I mentioned the wider region because that’s how it was announced but I also pecifically said “those who drove this in Stockport” but you continue to interpret to fit your own agenda.
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