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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 19, 2021 11:47:20 GMT
I couldn’t give a monkeys why no-one else wants him,( even making the very big assumption that’s true), that’s their business, makes no odds to him being the best man to be managing County
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Post by m14hatter on Sept 19, 2021 11:48:13 GMT
And he needs that to fit in with his day job because nobody will offer him a full time job as a first team manager. . You should probably have read his NLP interview, it'd save a lot of embarrassing speculation. Missed that interview. What did he say?
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Post by leicesterhatter on Sept 19, 2021 11:50:11 GMT
Having a DOF is fine so long as his role is clearly defined. Manager says I need a left sided centre back, DOF says 'here's three options - which do you want'. Or starts lining up junior squad members to bring through over the next x years. That's grand. Now I don't know is whether that's what is happening, but if it is, Rusk doesn't seem able to build a properly balanced team / squad from that. In his previous role that wasn't necessarily his priority - so the imbalance in the squad may stem from that. At the same time, he doesn't know how to get the best out of players like those we have now - either tactically, or performance wise. The players we have should be turning out better performances than they are - there's no hiding from that. The system doesn't work, and we seemingly don't have anything else. Having a style of play seemingly centred completely around Quigley with no back up for him just seems bonkers. If things aren't happening as above, then you'd have to hope we'd bring in an experienced manager who makes clear from day one where the lines are drawn. Wilson has acheived some good off the pitch with the set up... but he shouldn't be someone we're even bothered about as a fanbase in my view. He should sit in the background, and be a tool for the manager. With the manager we have seemingly being so lost, and having come in when he did/ in the circumstances he did, Wilson is front and centre. Wilson says that what you describe in the first paragraph is how it works and like you seeing how awful Rusk is at seemingly every part of management at this level I can well imagine him not realising what we needed in terms of attributes and position this summer especially as he admits he still doesn’t know what’s wrong. Ultimately though Rusk was 100 per cent Wilson’s hire and to be convinced that he was right man after speaking with him at length is bewildering given we’ve all seen probably about 100 interviews with him since he’s arrived and he’s never convinced me in even one of them that he’s got a clue. Aye it is odd, although I'll admit I don't listen to any of his interviews really since early doors. Seems a nice bloke, but not really my thing. He was wanted elsewhere previously and chose not to take the role (Cambridge was it) so other people have seen something in him... I actually wonder if it played out something like this in respect of Rusk: Stott/Wilson look at the long term. They want to build the basis for us to have a good team in the league in a year or so, but also want a manager who will be part of a process of bringing through players over a longer period (Rydel, Pye, Earl etc). For whatever reason they don't want Jim (will leave that for others!). With that in mind big names/known quantities are brought in who will hopefully enable us to just plough through this league. Long contracts enable us to pick up people we wouldn't otherwise have been able to from leagues above. What actually transpires is that despite us bringing in those players to plug in to the team, we've actually ended up with a model where a) Rusk has not had enough say in who we bring in, with Wilson taking a more definitive role, or b) Rusk hasn't got the ability to actually deal with that part of the role. In either case, Rusk is seemingly incapable of getting a tune out of what he has been given, when in reality there is no reason he shouldn't. Not to the extent he hasn't this season anyway.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Sept 19, 2021 12:54:27 GMT
The first step is to move Rusk on. They can do that tomorrow. The sooner the better. Yes, I understand I’m saying a family man should lose his job. But he’ll get a big enough pay off to sort himself out. Stott should realise that every minute this guy stays we are pissing our future down a grid. I've started to believe Rusk's role is limited to preparing the team and being a fire guard for the DoF. The formation seems to be decided by Wilson and the man more important than any other, except for Wilson, the Statistician (who we understand comes up with the idea that teams with the majority of possession win more times and the corker that tackling opponents brings about fouls that lead to free kicks and subsequently goals). Should Rusk go tomorrow we will be seeking a replacement Manager with the same limited input into how the first team operates. No choice into who we sign, no opportunity to change the formation he wants without permission, essentially not his own man. Who will be prepared to leave their integrity at the door?. Nothing will change. Would anyone trust Wilson to make the right appointment? If Simon Wilson were to move on and take his statto with him. Rusk could stay to give a degree of continuity. He could give the players the opportunity to play like they can but would the players want that? It would put their heads above the parapet. If he did stay he would have to show more in his armoury and I don't know if he has anything? For me SW and SR and his assistants could go tomorrow but we will need some sort of continuity. Half of the players seem happy to play in a system that doesn't work playing turgid slow predictable crap and they could go as well. Dagenham, Yeovil and Halifax have taken us to the cleaners yet the manner of the defeats hasn't hit home - its just a case of "you win some you lose some" bollox.
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Post by scfc29 on Sept 19, 2021 13:01:47 GMT
I’m no fan of Wilson, but let’s not use him as an excuse for Rusk’s dire management of the most expensive side ever assembled at this level.
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Post by wnm on Sept 19, 2021 13:06:14 GMT
The first step is to move Rusk on. They can do that tomorrow. The sooner the better. Yes, I understand I’m saying a family man should lose his job. But he’ll get a big enough pay off to sort himself out. Stott should realise that every minute this guy stays we are pissing our future down a grid. I've started to believe Rusk's role is limited to preparing the team and being a fire guard for the DoF. The formation seems to be decided by Wilson and the man more important than any other, except for Wilson, the Statistician (who we understand comes up with the idea that teams with the majority of possession win more times and the corker that tackling opponents brings about fouls that lead to free kicks and subsequently goals). Should Rusk go tomorrow we will be seeking a replacement Manager with the same limited input into how the first team operates. No choice into who we sign, no opportunity to change the formation he wants without permission, essentially not his own man. Who will be prepared to leave their integrity at the door?. Nothing will change. Would anyone trust Wilson to make the right appointment? If Simon Wilson were to move on and take his statto with him. Rusk could stay to give a degree of continuity. He could give the players the opportunity to play like they can but would the players want that? It would put their heads above the parapet. If he did stay he would have to show more in his armoury and I don't know if he has anything? For me SW and SR and his assistants could go tomorrow but we will need some sort of continuity. Half of the players seem happy to play in a system that doesn't work playing turgid slow predictable crap and they could go as well. Dagenham, Yeovil and Halifax have taken us to the cleaners yet the manner of the defeats hasn't hit home - its just a case of "you win some you lose some" bollox. You’ve made most of that up about Wilson’s role based on nothing. Wilson deserves his share of the blame for his part in this but it’s extremely obvious from his post match interviews that Rusk is rigidly sticking to the same tactics and formation because he thinks it worked last season and his plan, for want of a better word, is to do the same again and pray it works even though we know it won’t.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Sept 19, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
I've started to believe Rusk's role is limited to preparing the team and being a fire guard for the DoF. The formation seems to be decided by Wilson and the man more important than any other, except for Wilson, the Statistician (who we understand comes up with the idea that teams with the majority of possession win more times and the corker that tackling opponents brings about fouls that lead to free kicks and subsequently goals). Should Rusk go tomorrow we will be seeking a replacement Manager with the same limited input into how the first team operates. No choice into who we sign, no opportunity to change the formation he wants without permission, essentially not his own man. Who will be prepared to leave their integrity at the door?. Nothing will change. Would anyone trust Wilson to make the right appointment? If Simon Wilson were to move on and take his statto with him. Rusk could stay to give a degree of continuity. He could give the players the opportunity to play like they can but would the players want that? It would put their heads above the parapet. If he did stay he would have to show more in his armoury and I don't know if he has anything? For me SW and SR and his assistants could go tomorrow but we will need some sort of continuity. Half of the players seem happy to play in a system that doesn't work playing turgid slow predictable crap and they could go as well. Dagenham, Yeovil and Halifax have taken us to the cleaners yet the manner of the defeats hasn't hit home - its just a case of "you win some you lose some" bollox. You’ve made most of that up about Wilson’s role based on nothing. Wilson deserves his share of the blame for his part in this but it’s extremely obvious from his post match interviews that Rusk is rigidly sticking to the same tactics and formation because he thinks it worked last season and his plan, for want of a better word, is to do the same again and pray it works even though we know it won’t. Wilson appointed the statistician with statistics being the basis for our game plan / formation. Are we saying that he would employ someone to come up with a way of playing that was statistically proven to bring about success and do nothing to implement it? It will be interesting to see what the strategy / formation looks like once Rusk goes as he surely will unless he turns things round massively.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Sept 19, 2021 14:53:16 GMT
I’m no fan of Wilson, but let’s not use him as an excuse for Rusk’s dire management of the most expensive side ever assembled at this level. Time will tell. I've always felt that Rusk got the job because he was willing to do his masters bidding whilst his predecessor wasn't. I hope you're right and the next man comes in and is given the opportunity to manager the team without any interference.
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Post by wnm on Sept 19, 2021 15:16:20 GMT
You’ve made most of that up about Wilson’s role based on nothing. Wilson deserves his share of the blame for his part in this but it’s extremely obvious from his post match interviews that Rusk is rigidly sticking to the same tactics and formation because he thinks it worked last season and his plan, for want of a better word, is to do the same again and pray it works even though we know it won’t. Wilson appointed the statistician with statistics being the basis for our game plan / formation. Are we saying that he would employ someone to come up with a way of playing that was statistically proven to bring about success and do nothing to implement it? It will be interesting to see what the strategy / formation looks like once Rusk goes as he surely will unless he turns things round massively. I’m saying that most professional clubs will have that backroom member that doesn’t mean our whole ethos is based on that and Wilson himself has said that simply isn’t the case. Wilson has done a very poor job so I won’t defend him in that regard but you’re just making things up with absolutely no evidence.
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Sept 19, 2021 15:31:38 GMT
. You should probably have read his NLP interview, it'd save a lot of embarrassing speculation. Missed that interview. What did he say? County was his dream job and if he can't be a FT manager with us he has no desire to be FT. Hence him taking the youth job at Oldham and (at the time) looking for a PT management job.
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Post by Cale Green Hatter on Sept 19, 2021 15:44:05 GMT
Wilson appointed the statistician with statistics being the basis for our game plan / formation. Are we saying that he would employ someone to come up with a way of playing that was statistically proven to bring about success and do nothing to implement it? It will be interesting to see what the strategy / formation looks like once Rusk goes as he surely will unless he turns things round massively. I’m saying that most professional clubs will have that backroom member that doesn’t mean our whole ethos is based on that - whose and Wilson himself has said that simply isn’t the case. Wilson has done a very poor job so I won’t defend him in that regard but you’re just making things up with absolutely no evidence. So Wilson has done a very poor job. What has he done that is very poor. What am I making up? That Wilson appointed the statistician? That the inflexible formation is the idea of Rusk and Rusk alone and that Wilson - whose success depends on the team being successful - is happy to see things slide.
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Post by wnm on Sept 19, 2021 15:49:27 GMT
I’m saying that most professional clubs will have that backroom member that doesn’t mean our whole ethos is based on that - whose and Wilson himself has said that simply isn’t the case. Wilson has done a very poor job so I won’t defend him in that regard but you’re just making things up with absolutely no evidence. So Wilson has done a very poor job. What has he done that is very poor. What am I making up? That Wilson appointed the statistician? That the inflexible formation is the idea of Rusk and Rusk alone and that Wilson - whose success depends on the team being successful - is happy to see things slide. You said Rusk was playing this way because Wilson was forcing him to and there is no evidence that is the case - in fact there is a lot of evidence that everything on that field is down to Rusk. You’ve made out that our whole ethos on the pitch is based on statistics whereas this isn’t at all the case. And have we even got a statistician? Can you point me to who that is? As for what Wilson has done that is poor - replaced a very good manager with a extremely bad one is by far and away his biggest mistake. He also alongside Rusk and recruitment team have done a terrible job in terms of the balance of the squad.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Sept 19, 2021 16:01:38 GMT
Depends how semantic you want to be about job titles, I suppose. I’d say that was what Joppe Meulensteen does. I gather there was someone in-post before him too but couldn’t tell you their name.
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Post by wnm on Sept 19, 2021 16:10:45 GMT
Depends how semantic you want to be about job titles, I suppose. I’d say that was what Joppe Meulensteen does. I gather there was someone in-post before him too but couldn’t tell you their name. So he’s analyst something most professional clubs have and I believe Jim very much wanted.
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Post by 57hattersyears on Sept 19, 2021 16:19:09 GMT
I’d love that but i just can’t see it happening under Stott and Wilson. There are other managers who will be able to bring us success. Just find the right one. ..... that for all the good they’ve done, they’re still miles away from getting us and understanding what makes us tick. A shiny new Cheadle End is great and welcome but it doesn’t mean a thing without understanding the heart and soul of County. Absolutely. This post articulates exactly why I came to the decision to step away. I hope that my absence will be temporary but it certainly won't end while Wilson is there. He is the problem ... all else is noise off
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