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Post by bristolhatter on Apr 22, 2024 8:28:33 GMT
The NL is a different animal this season to when County, Wrexham, Notts and Chesterfield were trying for promotion. Next season it will be another with traditional non league outfits will be playing smaller ex league clubs who have seen better times. A few years ago i remember Darlo not being allowed to compete in the PO because of their ground in the NLN. Surely a team who cannot compete at an end of season PO or refused promotion to a higher division should not be allowed to play in that league anyway until they got their house in order. As for Alty becoming a league club why not. Do not think there is much between them and Macc as clubs when they gained their first league promotion especially the grounds. This should have been resolved weeks ago, like the Darlo situation in NLN to provide clarity on whether they're in or out, that would have enabled the 8th place team to know they'd qualified. One of the reasons the NL has quietened down is that some ex league clubs that were challenging like Torquay (lost final on pens) and Yeovil have become basket cases and went down to NLS, although Yeovil return at first time of asking. Scunthorpe dropped as well, they may come back in playoffs but doubt they'd be a major force next year. There are still some recent "historic" FL departures currently in the division, Southend, Oldham, Rochdale and Hartlepool, I'd expect the first two to give it a real go next year. FGR will join them and probably Sutton. I don't mind 3 up 3 down as long as the 3 up are not fish out of water like we often see in the PL. If they can compete (and recent history says they can with almost all teams staying up in year 1), it would make sense and would also give relegated clubs an easier way back.
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Post by HTC on Apr 22, 2024 8:50:38 GMT
Think there might be a bit more re-balancing next season too.
Fleetwood look a bit of a basketcase coming down, Accrington are liable to struggle without Coleman, looks like interest is down a bit at Salford so it wouldn't be a huge surprise if something a couple of other traditional non-league clubs returned to the national league
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 22, 2024 12:30:02 GMT
The NL is a different animal this season to when County, Wrexham, Notts and Chesterfield were trying for promotion. Next season it will be another with traditional non league outfits will be playing smaller ex league clubs who have seen better times. A few years ago i remember Darlo not being allowed to compete in the PO because of their ground in the NLN. Surely a team who cannot compete at an end of season PO or refused promotion to a higher division should not be allowed to play in that league anyway until they got their house in order. As for Alty becoming a league club why not. Do not think there is much between them and Macc as clubs when they gained their first league promotion especially the grounds. This should have been resolved weeks ago, like the Darlo situation in NLN to provide clarity on whether they're in or out, that would have enabled the 8th place team to know they'd qualified. One of the reasons the NL has quietened down is that some ex league clubs that were challenging like Torquay (lost final on pens) and Yeovil have become basket cases and went down to NLS, although Yeovil return at first time of asking. Scunthorpe dropped as well, they may come back in playoffs but doubt they'd be a major force next year. There are still some recent "historic" FL departures currently in the division, Southend, Oldham, Rochdale and Hartlepool, I'd expect the first two to give it a real go next year. FGR will join them and probably Sutton. I don't mind 3 up 3 down as long as the 3 up are not fish out of water like we often see in the PL. If they can compete (and recent history says they can with almost all teams staying up in year 1), it would make sense and would also give relegated clubs an easier way back. Agree with that with one minor correction. It's not almost all teams staying up in year 1, nor is it just recent history. It's every single team since promotion/relegation was introduced. For me it's not about the clubs involved, 3 up 3 down is better for stopping clubs stagnating being just good enough to survive in L2.
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Post by atmosphere on Apr 22, 2024 12:56:32 GMT
This should have been resolved weeks ago, like the Darlo situation in NLN to provide clarity on whether they're in or out, that would have enabled the 8th place team to know they'd qualified. One of the reasons the NL has quietened down is that some ex league clubs that were challenging like Torquay (lost final on pens) and Yeovil have become basket cases and went down to NLS, although Yeovil return at first time of asking. Scunthorpe dropped as well, they may come back in playoffs but doubt they'd be a major force next year. There are still some recent "historic" FL departures currently in the division, Southend, Oldham, Rochdale and Hartlepool, I'd expect the first two to give it a real go next year. FGR will join them and probably Sutton. I don't mind 3 up 3 down as long as the 3 up are not fish out of water like we often see in the PL. If they can compete (and recent history says they can with almost all teams staying up in year 1), it would make sense and would also give relegated clubs an easier way back. Agree with that with one minor correction. It's not almost all teams staying up in year 1, nor is it just recent history. It's every single team since promotion/relegation was introduced. For me it's not about the clubs involved, 3 up 3 down is better for stopping clubs stagnating being just good enough to survive in L2. This Gateshead Play Off shenanigans from yesterday does the cause no favour for thr EFL and NL to thrash it together. There's been a few scenarios recently with grounds not being up to scratch. Harrogate and Sutton digging up their plastic pitch. Bromley may be doing the same in two weeks. I believe Alty may have to do some structural tweaks to Moss Lane if they go up too. Just doesn't help the 3 up 3 down argument.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 22, 2024 13:12:54 GMT
Agree with that with one minor correction. It's not almost all teams staying up in year 1, nor is it just recent history. It's every single team since promotion/relegation was introduced. For me it's not about the clubs involved, 3 up 3 down is better for stopping clubs stagnating being just good enough to survive in L2. This Gateshead Play Off shenanigans from yesterday does the cause no favour for thr EFL and NL to thrash it together. There's been a few scenarios recently with grounds not being up to scratch. Harrogate and Sutton digging up their plastic pitch. Bromley may be doing the same in two weeks. I believe Alty may have to do some structural tweaks to Moss Lane if they go up too. Just doesn't help the 3 up 3 down argument. If clubs were failing to meet their requirements I’d see your point but they’re not. Gateshead’s ground isn’t the issue, it’s the council not granting them a ten year lease. For context: Coventry don’t have a ten year lease on the ground, but it’s only a requirement for new clubs joining the league, not for clubs already in it. So if Coventry were the club in the National League playoffs they would also be refused entry in to the Football League.
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Post by Duncan McOchin on Apr 22, 2024 18:09:25 GMT
Moss Lane already meets the current EFL entry requirements. There's a couple of other things that would need doing, like having 2,000 seats, by the end of their third season, but there's more than enough space to bolt them on to retaining without major structural work.
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Post by redhatter on Apr 22, 2024 21:41:27 GMT
Moss Lane already meets the current EFL entry requirements. There's a couple of other things that would need doing, like having 2,000 seats, by the end of their third season, but there's more than enough space to bolt them on to retaining without major structural work. Moss Lane is a fantastic traditional ground. Seems untouched by modern football and you are stepping back in time!
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 23, 2024 8:05:13 GMT
This Gateshead Play Off shenanigans from yesterday does the cause no favour for thr EFL and NL to thrash it together. There's been a few scenarios recently with grounds not being up to scratch. Harrogate and Sutton digging up their plastic pitch. Bromley may be doing the same in two weeks. I believe Alty may have to do some structural tweaks to Moss Lane if they go up too. Just doesn't help the 3 up 3 down argument. If clubs were failing to meet their requirements I’d see your point but they’re not. Gateshead’s ground isn’t the issue, it’s the council not granting them a ten year lease. For context: Coventry don’t have a ten year lease on the ground, but it’s only a requirement for new clubs joining the league, not for clubs already in it. So if Coventry were the club in the National League playoffs they would also be refused entry in to the Football League. Gateshead did not meet the requirements as they did not secure a ten year ground lease. They as a club must have known this but doubt their fans did. If they had been allowed to compete in the PO and win it you can say its unfare on the clubs who have ticked all the boxes to gain promotion.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Apr 23, 2024 12:56:14 GMT
If clubs were failing to meet their requirements I’d see your point but they’re not. Gateshead’s ground isn’t the issue, it’s the council not granting them a ten year lease. For context: Coventry don’t have a ten year lease on the ground, but it’s only a requirement for new clubs joining the league, not for clubs already in it. So if Coventry were the club in the National League playoffs they would also be refused entry in to the Football League. Gateshead did not meet the requirements as they did not secure a ten year ground lease. They as a club must have known this but doubt their fans did. If they had been allowed to compete in the PO and win it you can say its unfare on the clubs who have ticked all the boxes to gain promotion. Yes. And Coventry City also don’t have a ten year lease for their ground. My point is that Coventry City would also not be allowed to join the league under the same circumstances. So the issue is not the ground itself needing work (which was implied in previous posts), it is that the council aren’t playing ball regarding lease extensions. If Gateshead were already a football league club then their ground wouldn’t be an issue.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Apr 23, 2024 13:06:58 GMT
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 24, 2024 8:01:09 GMT
Interesting game tonight with FO Chorley home to Curzon.
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Post by stalybridgehatter on Apr 24, 2024 15:52:55 GMT
Not happy are they? I had a brief interaction with one of their board members/member of family of the owner the other night. His lad plays on the team my son has joined. He was very quick to point out how much we make and how much we've lost (as though it should be some sort of revelation to me), like you do, but went on to say that he was jealous of our success but revealed County have been giving them advice. Also suggested Reid has well and truly played his last game for Oldham!
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Post by scfc73 on Apr 24, 2024 16:34:58 GMT
Nothing against Oldham, would love to see them back in the FL but isn't it great reading something like that & thinking 'we know what you're going through but look at us now.....league 1'
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Post by Mozzer on Apr 24, 2024 18:57:08 GMT
Warby-less Solihull beating Stott-inclusive Halifax 3-1 at HT.
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Post by timberwolf on Apr 24, 2024 19:44:10 GMT
Curzon drawing but winning 2-1 on yellow cards. Cannot see this going 90 minutes without a red one being shown.
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