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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 13, 2022 22:15:59 GMT
I’d be giving Ben and Hippo new deals. Palmer I’d maybe offer a one year deal. But if we get three good CBS in I’d be thanking him for service and letting him go. The rest can all be released. Interesting view on Palmer. My sons are both Charlton and have watched a lot of League one football. On watching County, they both said Palmer is the one name (after the obvious Madden and Sarc) who they feel on his day would cope in League 1. He is a very good defender. He's got a mistake in him and could do with an extra yard of pace but beyond that he's easily good enough for League Two, I wouldn't know about League One but if people who watch it regularly think that way then maybe I'm selling him short. He might not be Beckenbauer but he doesn't need to be especially as the middle of a 3. Win the ball, make the simple pass to someone else. Like Makalele used to do in midfield or Mike Flynn did for us at the back in the 90s.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 13, 2022 22:17:04 GMT
Interesting view on Palmer. My sons are both Charlton and have watched a lot of League one football. On watching County, they both said Palmer is the one name (after the obvious Madden and Sarc) who they feel on his day would cope in League 1. I just don’t see it. He’s struggled at times this season as his weaknesses keep being exposed. I think he’d be alright for a lower league 2 team, I’m not convinced he’s what we need if we have ambitions to fly through the league though. However, as I said if we can’t find a better replacement then he’s worth a year until we can. I think barring Ben it’s the end of road for the NLN lot being starters if we go up. I don't think he could make it to League One, but he has kept a former League One starter out of the side this season.
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Post by Nik on May 13, 2022 22:20:02 GMT
Bit of an update Out of contract end of season Hinchliffe Age 33 Hippolyte Age 27 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21 June 2023 Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27 Ryan Johnson Age 25 June 2024 Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29 Cody Johnson Aged 16 I’m not sure about Scott Holding. Listed as a ‘pro-deal’ but no contact length the young keeper Schofield is also mentioned on the first team player page, but no mention of a pro deal. I'd be giving Ben, Ash and Hogan a year. Ben as first choice but with a understudy to push him hard, be that Ashby-Hammond on loan or a new signing. Ash and Hogan as back-up to new defenders coming in. Hippolyte would get 2 years. The rest can go.
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Post by m14hatter on May 13, 2022 22:25:19 GMT
I just don’t see it. He’s struggled at times this season as his weaknesses keep being exposed. I think he’d be alright for a lower league 2 team, I’m not convinced he’s what we need if we have ambitions to fly through the league though. However, as I said if we can’t find a better replacement then he’s worth a year until we can. I think barring Ben it’s the end of road for the NLN lot being starters if we go up. I don't think he could make it to League One, but he has kept a former League One starter out of the side this season. I hope he goes and proves me wrong. He’s been a great servant and clearly loves playing for us. I just think when you look at our team the glaring weakness is our centre backs and I’m not sure he does everything Challinor would like his CBs to do.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 13, 2022 22:26:29 GMT
I don't think he could make it to League One, but he has kept a former League One starter out of the side this season. I hope he goes and proves me wrong. He’s been a great servant and clearly loves playing for us. I just think when you look at our team the glaring weakness is our centre backs and I’m not sure he does everything Challinor would like his CBs to do. I don't know either and ultimately it will be DC's choice, but I personally think he's worth at least another year and could do a job in League Two... I think that should we do the business on Sunday he would have earned that right too.
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Post by ValleyHatter on May 13, 2022 22:27:12 GMT
Interesting view on Palmer. My sons are both Charlton and have watched a lot of League one football. On watching County, they both said Palmer is the one name (after the obvious Madden and Sarc) who they feel on his day would cope in League 1. I just don’t see it. He’s struggled at times this season as his weaknesses keep being exposed. I think he’d be alright for a lower league 2 team, I’m not convinced he’s what we need if we have ambitions to fly through the league though. However, as I said if we can’t find a better replacement then he’s worth a year until we can. I think barring Ben it’s the end of road for the NLN lot being starters if we go up. They thought he's very good in the air, physically strong, decent organiser, can hold the line/play the off side, and importantly scores goals from set pieces. Also has improved his passing. Granted maybe more cover than regular starter, but decent player.
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Post by m14hatter on May 13, 2022 22:31:53 GMT
I hope he goes and proves me wrong. He’s been a great servant and clearly loves playing for us. I just think when you look at our team the glaring weakness is our centre backs and I’m not sure he does everything Challinor would like his CBs to do. I don't know either and ultimately it will be DC's choice, but I personally think he's worth at least another year and could do a job in League Two... I think that should we do the business on Sunday he would have earned that right too. I disagree about any of the squad earning a right if we get promoted. Sentimentality needs to play no part in the decision process. That applies with Jennings, Sam, Hogan, Sarc, Paddy or whoever. If we can get better then it’s a case of thank them for their service, always welcome back and move on.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on May 13, 2022 22:35:29 GMT
I don't know either and ultimately it will be DC's choice, but I personally think he's worth at least another year and could do a job in League Two... I think that should we do the business on Sunday he would have earned that right too. I disagree about any of the squad earning a right if we get promoted. Sentimentality needs to play no part in the decision process. That applies with Jennings, Sam, Hogan, Sarc, Paddy or whoever. If we can get better then it’s a case of thank them for their service, always welcome back and move on. I don't think it's about sentimentality to think someone has earned the right to prove themselves at a higher level. It wasn't when Jim gave almost the entire NLN championship winning team that opportunity. It's not sentiment if the player is good enough. Too often teams get promoted and tear up a winning formula only to run into problems when stepping up as a new squad doesn't gel right away.
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Post by m14hatter on May 13, 2022 22:43:02 GMT
I disagree about any of the squad earning a right if we get promoted. Sentimentality needs to play no part in the decision process. That applies with Jennings, Sam, Hogan, Sarc, Paddy or whoever. If we can get better then it’s a case of thank them for their service, always welcome back and move on. I don't think it's about sentimentality to think someone has earned the right to prove themselves at a higher level. It wasn't when Jim gave almost the entire NLN championship winning team that opportunity. It's not sentiment if the player is good enough. Too often teams get promoted and tear up a winning formula only to run into problems when stepping up as a new squad doesn't gel right away. I agree to some extent about tearing up a winning formula. Salford have stalled having taken that approach. But I think a balance needs to be struck and if we can bring in better where we’re weakest at CB/ ST then we need to.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 13, 2022 23:15:30 GMT
Possibly the type of thread that can be left till Monday This. 100%. Some of the players people are talking about letting go could win us the title tomorrow (and in any event several will have a played a massive part in our season). I know it doesn't make a difference and they're not going to on here reading through all the comments but it just doesn't sit right with me. (Edit - I dread to think about it but there's also the chance that we're still in the NL next season.)
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Post by desmond on May 13, 2022 23:16:18 GMT
Bit of an update Out of contract end of season Hinchliffe Age 33 Hippolyte Age 27 Hogan Age 32 Palmer Age 29 Walker Age 26 Jennings Age 30 Maynard Age 32 Stott Age 23 Alli Age 21 June 2023 Pye Age 18 Kitching Age 26 Collar Age 24 Croasdale Age 27 Newby Age 26 Whitfield Age 25 Reid Age 26 Keane Age 28 Minihan Age 27 Ryan Johnson Age 25 June 2024 Ross Age 24 Barclay Age 25 Southam Hales Age 25 Sarcevic Age 29 Rydel Age 20 Crankshaw Age 23 Madden Age 31 Quigley Age 29 Cody Johnson Aged 16 I’m not sure about Scott Holding. Listed as a ‘pro-deal’ but no contact length the young keeper Schofield is also mentioned on the first team player page, but no mention of a pro deal. I'd be giving Ben, Ash and Hogan a year. Ben as first choice but with a understudy to push him hard, be that Ashby-Hammond on loan or a new signing. Ash and Hogan as back-up to new defenders coming in. Hippolyte would get 2 years. The rest can go. Not convinced Ashby Hammond has the build yet to be a regular starter, still looks a little on the short/light side. Was fine in the CSC final (other than one glaring error) but very little really to make a real judgement
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Post by wnm on May 14, 2022 0:55:39 GMT
A couple of months ago I would have said keep Ash but now while I’d be really sad to see him go I would understand if he’s not offered a new deal. Too many big unforced errors in the crucial stage of the season and it’s been the same with all our CBs.
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Post by Durango95 on May 14, 2022 1:20:54 GMT
I'd be giving Ben, Ash and Hogan a year. Ben as first choice but with a understudy to push him hard, be that Ashby-Hammond on loan or a new signing. Ash and Hogan as back-up to new defenders coming in. Hippolyte would get 2 years. The rest can go. Not convinced Ashby Hammond has the build yet to be a regular starter, still looks a little on the short/light side. Was fine in the CSC final (other than one glaring error) but very little really to make a real judgement Hinchliffe deserves another deal. Hopefully to taste league football. GKs can play for longer anyway.
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Post by Durango95 on May 14, 2022 1:24:28 GMT
A couple of months ago I would have said keep Ash but now while I’d be really sad to see him go I would understand if he’s not offered a new deal. Too many big unforced errors in the crucial stage of the season and it’s been the same with all our CBs. I’d reluctantly agree, praying to f*ck there’s not another slip up on Sunday tbh. Which isn’t great. I’d keep Palmer as a squad player and Keane but IF we go up the CBs has to be the first focus. Too many slip ups and nervy moments for me.
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Post by sherbertdab on May 14, 2022 6:47:22 GMT
Possibly the type of thread that can be left till Monday This. 100%. Some of the players people are talking about letting go could win us the title tomorrow (and in any event several will have a played a massive part in our season). I know it doesn't make a difference and they're not going to on here reading through all the comments but it just doesn't sit right with me. (Edit - I dread to think about it but there's also the chance that we're still in the NL next season.) You’d think it’s the one weekend where County fans would come together positively!!!
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