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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 9:59:07 GMT
can you really not see why there is a perception of a conflict of interest between marching for the fans, on behalf the fans to get rid of the board, whilst also working for a consortium who want to get rid of the board?
I understand that you know and trust the guy, and maybe he is as honest as you say, and there genuinely is no conflict of interest, but as fans we need to question things we're told, and that's why the co-op, who we know we can trust, are much better placed to lead this march than someone who speaks in riddles and has just shown himself to be exceedingly poor at PR.
To use your analogy. It's actually like you doing some consultancy work for BT, and questioning me as to what I'm going to do about my T Mobile phone line that isn't working. You may well be making an honest, genuine enquiry, but it looks like you might be trying to set me up for something, and as you well know the perception of things is far more important than the actual facts in these situations, particularly when we've been burnt so many times in the recent past.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 10:11:55 GMT
can you really not see why there is a perception of a conflict of interest between marching for the fans, on behalf the fans to get rid of the board, whilst also working for a consortium who want to get rid of the board? I understand that you know and trust the guy, and maybe he is as honest as you say, and there genuinely is no conflict of interest, but as fans we need to question things we're told, and that's why the co-op, who we know we can trust, are much better placed to lead this march than someone who speaks in riddles and has just shown himself to be exceedingly poor at PR. To use your analogy. It's actually like you doing some consultancy work for BT, and questioning me as to what I'm going to do about my T Mobile phone line that isn't working. You may well be making an honest, genuine enquiry, but it looks like you might be trying to set me up for something, and as you well know the perception of things is far more important than the actual facts in these situations, particularly when we've been burnt so many times in the recent past. OK so what part of he had no involvement with any consortia when he set the ball in motion for the 21st. He was approached in the week after he had done the ground work. I am getting fed up with the sniping and continued chipping away at what isn't there. You could also say that by pressing for truth answers etc all you have done is damage possible income streams. When I say you it is not aimed at you it is aimed at all cynics, so collectively slap yourselves on the back for doing a wonderful job
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Post by ferdinand on Dec 10, 2013 10:32:55 GMT
[/quote]OK so what part of he had no involvement with any consortia when he set the ball in motion for the 21st. He was approached in the week after he had done the ground work. I am getting fed up with the sniping and continued chipping away at what isn't there. You could also say that by pressing for truth answers etc all you have done is damage possible income streams. When I say you it is not aimed at you it is aimed at all cynics, so collectively slap yourselves on the back for doing a wonderful job [/quote]
The board blames the fans. @fcryan blames the fans. Bogie blames the fans. The fans blame the fans.
SS, I don't know him, maybe he was doing an honest protest, but he is known for chatting in riddles and being slightly, smugly, ITK. Doesn't help himself. And if it's he case that we have lost income streams, then SS can pat himself on the back can't he?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 10:41:24 GMT
so what are any of you doing about the situation at the club. Anybody prepared to drop their cash in or attempt to bring outside Multi National Companies to the table.
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Post by ferdinand on Dec 10, 2013 10:45:05 GMT
so what are any of you doing about the situation at the club. Anybody prepared to drop their cash in or attempt to bring outside Multi National Companies to the table. What is SS doing??? If I could, I would. I wouldn't be arsed what RB, if that's the case, or any of you or marionsboards faceless lot say or think about me. It's MY football club.
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Post by CB1883 on Dec 10, 2013 10:49:22 GMT
I've been questionable of his riddles in the past but this time I think he's just a victim of bad timing.
Let's not forget SS went out of his way to arrange this walk, unfortunately he's now decided not to attend. As soon as he was questioned on the new consortium he was honest and open in his reply so I don't think he can be accused of having a hidden agenda.
Let's turn up in numbers on the 21st and hopefully this can be a turning point. At times like this the one thing we need to do as a fanbase is stick together. Put all grievances from the past to one side and come together as one. It's the only way we'll get what we want.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 11:57:09 GMT
I've been questionable of his riddles in the past but this time I think he's just a victim of bad timing. Let's not forget SS went out of his way to arrange this walk, unfortunately he's now decided not to attend. As soon as he was questioned on the new consortium he was honest and open in his reply so I don't think he can be accused of having a hidden agenda. Let's turn up in numbers on the 21st and hopefully this can be a turning point. At times like this the one thing we need to do as a fanbase is stick together. Put all grievances from the past to one side and come together as one. It's the only way we'll get what we want. amen to that. I'll be there (well from the Nelson)
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Post by vicar on Dec 10, 2013 17:46:01 GMT
nobody should have to put up with it. I hate this "there is an agenda" and "what is their ulterior motive" That sounds like you are saying 'the fans' should never question anyone, which is one of the big reasons we've got into these problems in the first place! If someone flannels and gives cryptic answers to people asking perfectly reasonable and sensible questions, it doesn't exactly show good intentions, and only serves to make people more suspicious, as indeed has happened here. I just hope the co-op can now step up, and lead this thing properly, as it's just the sort of galvanising / rallying moment we need But they continued to question even after he'd clearly (for a change I'll grant you) explained his position, what he was doing was at his own expense and for the good of our club yet it wasn't good enough for some.
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Post by The Real Exile on Dec 10, 2013 19:29:04 GMT
As I put on the old board... who is going to lead this now?
Hopefully the Co-op or any other brave volunteer such as Dave Schofield
In the interim we need to get leaflets printed and get them handed out this Saturday. Do we use the Sea of Blue page for the leaflet or do we have anyone on here who can knock up a design for a flyer/leaflet?
If we run out of time I can probably print a good amount at home.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 22:28:55 GMT
You've at least £50 towards costs on Marionsboard, and if it is more, I'll bridge the difference at no extra cost to you Terry.
Who can do some stickers and leaflets then?
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Post by The Real Exile on Dec 10, 2013 22:57:38 GMT
That's just it... I'm an artist alright just the wrong kind
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Post by Jack on Dec 10, 2013 23:04:54 GMT
You have nominated yourself Terry Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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