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Post by wnm on Jun 29, 2022 9:04:31 GMT
TC, on your point, I too believe it is 20, but it is a bit stupid if true. Rest assured DCh will know. I don’t see the need for a LCB as we have brought in defenders capable of playing that position especially Horsfall who shone last season partnering Guthrie on the left side. However I would not object to having another LCB in the squad. The more quality the better. I am not keen on Ross and another GK or two if Ross moves on would be welcome. Goalkeepers are not included in the squad requirements. A live wire pacy striker would be appreciated as well for me too. Are you saying Horsfall was left of two centre backs with Guthrie? Because if you are that is very different to be left of a three, as has been proven countless times over the last twelve months. Exactly, we need a LCB. Not everybody will agree but for me Johnson is the weakest of the senior CBs and we definitely need another left footer.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 29, 2022 9:12:14 GMT
Exactly, we need a LCB. Not everybody will agree but for me Johnson is the weakest of the senior CBs and we definitely need another left footer. My worry is that after a good season in the NL with promoted hartlepool he seemed to have been found out at vale. Just wonder what their fans thought of him and was he as poor as his record suggested.
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Post by stockytwo on Jun 29, 2022 9:18:57 GMT
Did Johnson actually get found out at Vale?
Or did he just have two really good CB's in front of him that he couldn't oust from the team. Vale were promoted last season and both CB's are still there now in league one.
I'm not yet 100% sold on Johnson yet but his experience at Vale isn't proof that Johnson can't do it in league two imo.
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Post by trickster on Jun 29, 2022 9:22:44 GMT
Did Johnson actually get found out at Vale? Or did he just have two really good CB's in front of him that he couldn't oust from the team. Vale were promoted last season and both CB's are still there now in league one. I'm not yet 100% sold on Johnson yet but his experience at Vale isn't proof that Johnson can't do it in league two imo. I think he's good enough for the squad, the left side of a back three seems to be a problem position for a lot of teams at the moment so I'd definitely keep him and I think there are more than enough games and competitions for him to get plenty of playing time. I do think we need an upgrade though
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Post by TC on Jun 29, 2022 9:24:47 GMT
Did Johnson actually get found out at Vale? Or did he just have two really good CB's in front of him that he couldn't oust from the team. Vale were promoted last season and both CB's are still there now in league one. I'm not yet 100% sold on Johnson yet but his experience at Vale isn't proof that Johnson can't do it in league two imo. Time will tell I suppose. He's a decent defender but not great at getting forward with the ball. More often than not it's just a sideways pass to one of the other CBs.
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Post by wnm on Jun 29, 2022 9:28:34 GMT
Did Johnson actually get found out at Vale? Or did he just have two really good CB's in front of him that he couldn't oust from the team. Vale were promoted last season and both CB's are still there now in league one. I'm not yet 100% sold on Johnson yet but his experience at Vale isn't proof that Johnson can't do it in league two imo. They signed him and then sold him within the space of six months which says a lot to me. Fans say he had one good game and wasn’t very good at all in his sprinkling of other appearances. They didn’t even want to keep him as a squad player.
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Post by timberwolf on Jun 29, 2022 9:52:38 GMT
Time will tell I suppose. He's a decent defender but not great at getting forward with the ball. More often than not it's just a sideways pass to one of the other CBs. He has a good long accurate pass in him though. My gripe is when he is on my side of the pitch when attacking the RE there is space and time for him to get forward but seems loathed to do it like an old fashioned full back who would self combust if they crossed the half way line. However we do not know what his orders are when going onto the pitch.
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Post by vicar on Jun 29, 2022 9:54:30 GMT
Exactly, we need a LCB. Not everybody will agree but for me Johnson is the weakest of the senior CBs and we definitely need another left footer. My worry is that after a good season in the NL with promoted hartlepool he seemed to have been found out at vale. Just wonder what their fans thought of him and was he as poor as his record suggested. I remember reading the One Vale forum at the time, Vale fans thought he was unfortunate as they had a really good defence, he wasn't given much of a chance.
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Post by stockytwo on Jun 29, 2022 10:07:12 GMT
4 appearances isn't exactly a big sample size. Imagine if we'd booted Ash out after 4 appearances.
I agree with what others have said about his distribution but I wouldn't be unduly worried to go into the season with him as a first choice CB.
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Post by alkringtonhatter on Jun 29, 2022 10:35:30 GMT
One of the drawbacks of Challinor’s system with three CBs who are spread across the pitch and crucial in playing the ball out is that you really need a left footed player on the left. It’s far less of an issue if you play two CBs in a four. Plenty of teams have a pair of right footed CBs who work fine together. But the benefits of the system more than outweigh the negatives, for me.
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Post by slomasscfc on Jun 29, 2022 10:37:14 GMT
4 appearances isn't exactly a big sample size. Imagine if we'd booted Ash out after 4 appearances. I agree with what others have said about his distribution but I wouldn't be unduly worried to go into the season with him as a first choice CB. No issue with Johnson in and around squad, was very good when came in and i thought he used the ball pretty well A big threat from set pieces too, then i think he had a poor run of games Agree with point where i found him frustrating that he wouldnt drive the ball out of defence like our side defenders have when space run into, Kitching did that well but Johnson the defending part better I thought we lost a bit as attacking threat without Kitching as him and Rydel had a better understanding and thats when saw best of Rydel and at start pf unbeaten run we were scoring 3-4 goals a game at will Johnson then came in and i felt we lost a bit of edge about us in that respect and became more workmanlike than the attacking unit we were previous Kitching had added defensive errors to his game though sadly Id err towards we need a better LCB but not unduly worried about Johnson either
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Post by wnm on Jun 29, 2022 10:46:02 GMT
4 appearances isn't exactly a big sample size. Imagine if we'd booted Ash out after 4 appearances. I agree with what others have said about his distribution but I wouldn't be unduly worried to go into the season with him as a first choice CB. No issue with Johnson in and around squad, was very good when came in and i thought he used the ball pretty well A big threat from set pieces too, then i think he had a poor run of games Agree with point where i found him frustrating that he wouldnt drive the ball out of defence like our side defenders have when space run into, Kitching did that well but Johnson the defending part better I thought we lost a bit as attacking threat without Kitching as him and Rydel had a better understanding and thats when saw best of Rydel and at start pf unbeaten run we were scoring 3-4 goals a game at will Johnson then came in and i felt we lost a bit of edge about us in that respect and became more workmanlike than the attacking unit we were previous Kitching had added defensive errors to his game though sadly Id err towards we need a better LCB but not unduly worried about Johnson either Towards the end of the season he wasn’t any more secure than Kitching defensively and as you say didn’t give us anything on the ball. He had a hot streak in front of goal when he arrived but his record overall in that area isn’t as strong Palmer, Horsfall and Lewis. Fine as back up but we definitely need better - I actually preferred ZFA in his two games.
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Post by Josh on Jun 29, 2022 10:53:33 GMT
No issue with Johnson in and around squad, was very good when came in and i thought he used the ball pretty well A big threat from set pieces too, then i think he had a poor run of games Agree with point where i found him frustrating that he wouldnt drive the ball out of defence like our side defenders have when space run into, Kitching did that well but Johnson the defending part better I thought we lost a bit as attacking threat without Kitching as him and Rydel had a better understanding and thats when saw best of Rydel and at start pf unbeaten run we were scoring 3-4 goals a game at will Johnson then came in and i felt we lost a bit of edge about us in that respect and became more workmanlike than the attacking unit we were previous Kitching had added defensive errors to his game though sadly Id err towards we need a better LCB but not unduly worried about Johnson either Towards the end of the season he wasn’t any more secure than Kitching defensively and as you say didn’t give us anything on the ball. He had a hot streak in front of goal when he arrived but his record overall in that area isn’t as strong Palmer, Horsfall and Lewis. Fine as back up but we definitely need better - I actually preferred ZFA in his two games. Agree on ZFA, could alternate between him and Johnson depending upon whether we are likely to face an areal bombardment or not.
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Post by DaveLong79 on Jun 29, 2022 11:11:56 GMT
I'm surprised we haven't signed ZFA, considering he's out of contract now and seemed to fit in very well in his two starts. Regarding Johnson, I think he's a quality defender, his poor spell coincided with the team wobbling towards the end of the season, so I think his below par performances we're magnified somewhat. I'd like to see what he offers this season as I think his play has on the whole been very good.
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Post by Ngard on Jun 29, 2022 11:24:49 GMT
I'm surprised we haven't signed ZFA, considering he's out of contract now and seemed to fit in very well in his two starts. Regarding Johnson, I think he's a quality defender, his poor spell coincided with the team wobbling towards the end of the season, so I think his below par performances we're magnified somewhat. I'd like to see what he offers this season as I think his play has on the whole been very good. I think he might end up back here, but I'd hope we're still on the hunt for a quality LCB similar to Horsfall.
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