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Post by herbiedumplings on Jul 28, 2023 15:43:30 GMT
Do you really think it's 40 to 45 that travel, that would mean the non playing staff outnumber the playing staff. Yes, I know it’s different at Premier League level but I stayed in the same Hotel as Newcastle when they played United and there was 27 in the Coaching Staff! - with that circus going on at Wrexham I could easily see 40+ I don’t think we’re in any position to call another team out for having a bloated support staff!
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Post by David Schofield on Jul 28, 2023 17:43:06 GMT
Yes, I know it’s different at Premier League level but I stayed in the same Hotel as Newcastle when they played United and there was 27 in the Coaching Staff! - with that circus going on at Wrexham I could easily see 40+ I don’t think we’re in any position to call another team out for having a bloated support staff! Nope!🙃
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Post by timberwolf on Jul 29, 2023 9:43:06 GMT
Possibly you can add any team of your choice to be similar to us and wrexham.
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Post by mat1scfc on Jul 31, 2023 20:58:07 GMT
That's mental
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 1, 2023 10:18:53 GMT
Looking at those amounts of time the ball is in play i still do not feel i,m being short changed because i,m not getting a full 90 minutes to watch.
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Post by Lee on Aug 1, 2023 10:20:41 GMT
Thats mad, I'd have never have guessed at those figures. Will be interesting to see how many 'late' goals go in next season then.
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Post by slomasscfc on Aug 1, 2023 10:43:56 GMT
Thats mad, I'd have never have guessed at those figures. Will be interesting to see how many 'late' goals go in next season then. 35 mins each way with clock stopped when not in play would work Then just allow ref discretion of when to blow beyond 35 mins so that so don't get a team just committing a cynical foul to stop the game or farce of player 1 v 1 with keeper and whistle going My mate started petition I signed month or so ago about how football fans being shortchanged of entertainment by anti football though I guess it is sometimes amusing when your own club is the one pissboiling to victory
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 1, 2023 11:15:23 GMT
35 mins each way with clock stopped when not in play would work Then just allow ref discretion of when to blow beyond 35 mins so that so don't get a team just committing a cynical foul to stop the game or farce of player 1 v 1 with keeper and whistle going My mate started petition I signed month or so ago about how football fans being shortchanged of entertainment by anti football though I guess it is sometimes amusing when your own club is the one pissboiling to victory Used to think the same but i,m not sure anymore. When is the ball deemed to be in play. A goal kick is given. Would the clock start the moment the keeper kicks the ball or when he has the ball in his posession prior to playing it. You also cannot stop a clock if the ball is in play and a team is slowing the game down to suit their circumstances like sideways and backward passing and playing back to the keeper and the whole thing starts again. Its legal time wasting but more annoying than waiting for a ball to come on if its hoofed out of the ground. As you say things are viewed differently by both sets of fans when it suits them. In the present circumstances the game will be dragged out longer but the players will not be resting with more tiredness mentally coming into it and more late goals conceeded because of this.
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Post by palmersears on Aug 1, 2023 11:32:00 GMT
It's important to remember that breaking up the rhythm of a game/approaching a game conservatively and the more traditional 'time wasting' are two very different things. You'll never eradicate the former, if a teams wants to make a game 'bitty' then they are within their rights to do so. The latter you can eradicate by keeping a more accurate eye on when the ball is in play, and when it isn't, ensuring that the game clock stops accordingly. This is harder to judge than with rugby, as set pieces are more frequent and less structured (a throw in is almost a non-event [unless you're Wrexham], a line out in rugby is a major set piece opportunity that teams take time to set up for accordingly), but there is no reason why two halves of 30-35 minutes with proper clock management couldn't work. You would need to make sure that what constitutes the end of the game was clearly defined though, otherwise you'd get teams hacking the opposition to pieces to try and end the game, as mentioned above.
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Post by slomasscfc on Aug 1, 2023 11:33:27 GMT
35 mins each way with clock stopped when not in play would work Then just allow ref discretion of when to blow beyond 35 mins so that so don't get a team just committing a cynical foul to stop the game or farce of player 1 v 1 with keeper and whistle going My mate started petition I signed month or so ago about how football fans being shortchanged of entertainment by anti football though I guess it is sometimes amusing when your own club is the one pissboiling to victory Used to think the same but i,m not sure anymore. When is the ball deemed to be in play. A goal kick is given. Would the clock start the moment the keeper kicks the ball or when he has the ball in his posession prior to playing it. You also cannot stop a clock if the ball is in play and a team is slowing the game down to suit their circumstances like sideways and backward passing and playing back to the keeper and the whole thing starts again. Its legal time wasting but more annoying than waiting for a ball to come on if its hoofed out of the ground. As you say things are viewed differently by both sets of fans when it suits them. In the present circumstances the game will be dragged out longer but the players will not be resting with more tiredness mentally coming into it and more late goals conceeded because of this. When ball is kicked/played and within confines of the pitch its in play simple when it's not on pitch or game is stopped its not, simple As for knocking ball around back onus be on attacking team to go press the ball
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Aug 1, 2023 19:54:32 GMT
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Post by mat1scfc on Aug 1, 2023 20:32:13 GMT
Carlisle have also been fined today with something to do with Bradford
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Aug 1, 2023 20:43:32 GMT
Carlisle have also been fined today with something to do with Bradford Nice one
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Post by timberwolf on Aug 2, 2023 8:24:57 GMT
but there is no reason why two halves of 30-35 minutes with proper clock management couldn't work. You would need to make sure that what constitutes the end of the game was clearly defined though, otherwise you'd get teams hacking the opposition to pieces to try and end the game, as mentioned above. The best thing would be giving it a seasons trial in the glue league or the southern version of it. With smaller grounds and less balls around for the multi ball thing, if it worked there it would in the league.
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Post by bristolhatter on Aug 2, 2023 8:37:51 GMT
but there is no reason why two halves of 30-35 minutes with proper clock management couldn't work. You would need to make sure that what constitutes the end of the game was clearly defined though, otherwise you'd get teams hacking the opposition to pieces to try and end the game, as mentioned above. The best thing would be giving it a seasons trial in the glue league or the southern version of it. With smaller grounds and less balls around for the multi ball thing, if it worked there it would in the league. Ben Tozer is going to love the multi ball system, no need for a towel if you can just swap it for a dry one! I watch a lot of ice hockey and the clock is stopped at every whistle. It does stop time wasting and means that any player receiving treatment is 99% of the time genuinely injured. (odd exception if its "icing" and the defending team are trying to get extra time to catch their breath before the restart). The biggest issue this year is the consistency between officials of how strict they are with the added time. Also, if you're having 12 minutes added on, there will definitely be added time to added time and everyone will lose track of how long is left. The biggest bugbear for me is the time keepers take to release the ball after catching it, the six second rule is never applied and I'd like to see it enforced much more strictly. I've seen keepers take over 30 seconds to get the ball back in play and the best the ref does is wave his arm furiously.
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