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Post by HTC on Feb 15, 2024 16:07:30 GMT
A homophobe isn't going go change their views because the EFL have put some rainbow colours on a football. Waste of time. No, but a gay person or a person who’s covered by anything from the LGBTQIA+ spectrum might realise that football is in fact for everyone.
I think the presence of Beth Mead, Megan Rapinoe etc. at the top level of the game is rather more likely to make a difference there than a ball with a rainbow on it to be honest.
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Post by FridoBiggins on Feb 15, 2024 16:14:28 GMT
Where every other northern-based club in League Two would face a bum-numbing five- or six-hour bus journey from north Wales to Gander Green Lane - ridiculous that these northern-based clubs are driving to North Wales before starting their journey south. Not to mention that Eastleigh, Maidenhead, and Dagenham & Redbridge are National League teams - as were Wrexham at the time. Thought better of the Athletic TBH… Yeh there's plenty of nonsense in that article.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 15, 2024 16:36:34 GMT
A homophobe isn't going go change their views because the EFL have put some rainbow colours on a football. Waste of time. No, but a gay person or a person who’s covered by anything from the LGBTQIA+ spectrum might realise that football is in fact for everyone. I generally find these sorts of pink washing empty gestures tiresome. But if it does actually make 1 person feel more welcome then fantastic.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 15, 2024 16:37:55 GMT
Not to mention that Eastleigh, Maidenhead, and Dagenham & Redbridge are National League teams - as were Wrexham at the time. Thought better of the Athletic TBH… Yeh there's plenty of nonsense in that article. There’s plenty of nonsense in the Athletic. They do put out some decent stuff, but there’s plenty of blog style padding articles as well.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Feb 15, 2024 16:42:32 GMT
Yeh there's plenty of nonsense in that article. There’s plenty of nonsense in the Athletic. They do put out some decent stuff, but there’s plenty of blog style padding articles as well. I saw Blog Style Padding Article supporting Kraftwerk at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in 1972…
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Post by bristolhatter on Feb 15, 2024 18:19:21 GMT
There’s plenty of nonsense in the Athletic. They do put out some decent stuff, but there’s plenty of blog style padding articles as well. I saw Blog Style Padding Article supporting Kraftwerk at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in 1972… Ahh so you discovered them when they went mainstream, unlike the proper Articlites such as me, I was a fan before they or me were even born! Not that I like to tell anyone...
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Post by pugwash on Feb 15, 2024 18:27:36 GMT
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Post by herbiedumplings on Feb 15, 2024 18:53:31 GMT
I saw Blog Style Padding Article supporting Kraftwerk at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in 1972… Ahh so you discovered them when they went mainstream, unlike the proper Articlites such as me, I was a fan before they or me were even born! Not that I like to tell anyone... I’m such a dilettante…
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Post by gibbo on Feb 16, 2024 9:00:03 GMT
Not sure if scraping promotion with Sheff Wednesday at the second attempt in league 1 can be seen as too much of a success. Promotion is Promotion, there's no 'Scraping' it - it's done by being consistent over 46 games (+Play Offs if required), so don't get why sometimes these achievements are devalued when it comes to discussing Managers. By your logic, Jim's promotion at County in 2008 wasn't too much of a success, nor DC's from the National League with Hartlepool.
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Post by gibbo on Feb 16, 2024 9:02:00 GMT
Further to Darren Moore, Huddersfield have a new Manager: Huddersfield
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Post by albybeliever on Feb 16, 2024 9:15:57 GMT
No, but a gay person or a person who’s covered by anything from the LGBTQIA+ spectrum might realise that football is in fact for everyone. If we want to kick the homophobes, the racists and the violent thugs, it's not actually for everyone tbf. So that's a lie straight away.
I'm a massive fan of the gay community. When someone asks me who my favourite presenter is, I, without hesitation always answer "Rylan Clark". Often before they've even finished the question.
“Aren't we supposed to be living in a multicultural democracy? And isn't that the point? You know, the Jews, the Muslims and the racists all living together happily side by side, doing and saying whatever the hell they like?”
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 16, 2024 9:45:22 GMT
it's similar to the 'taking the knee' thing from the other year. Shall we actually make a bit of effort to understand why British Asians don't feel welcome in the game? Or look into the structural barriers in place that prevent black players from continuing in the game after retirement? Or shall we just get people to kneel for a few weeks, and then laugh at the morons who get upset by it? Easy option every time... Ever thought of the fact that british asians are not interested in the game. Same a few years back about when they were pushing for more females to watch games. Lets get real and how many of us in our lives have had a constant supply of girl friends and wives who love attending like we do. Then there is the percentage of residents of the town that attend games. Its well under 10 per cent therefore thats will be bound to be the same percentage of any minority in the town. We are not talking about thousands of fans who feel unwelcome at football if they are made to feel unwelcome anyway. So much fuss to make somebody feel better for so few.
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Post by orkneyhatter on Feb 16, 2024 10:06:35 GMT
it's similar to the 'taking the knee' thing from the other year. Shall we actually make a bit of effort to understand why British Asians don't feel welcome in the game? Or look into the structural barriers in place that prevent black players from continuing in the game after retirement? Or shall we just get people to kneel for a few weeks, and then laugh at the morons who get upset by it? Easy option every time... Ever thought of the fact that british asians are not interested in the game. Same a few years back about when they were pushing for more females to watch games. Lets get real and how many of us in our lives have had a constant supply of girl friends and wives who love attending like we do. Then there is the percentage of residents of the town that attend games. Its well under 10 per cent therefore thats will be bound to be the same percentage of any minority in the town. We are not talking about thousands of fans who feel unwelcome at football if they are made to feel unwelcome anyway. So much fuss to make somebody feel better for so few. good point. Most of the British Asians at work weren't interested in football; their go to sport was definitely cricket. You can only try make people feel welcome, but you can't make them like it. For all the media exposure given to womens football, it just doesn't attract me like the mens game. Just having a themed ball won't change people's minds, especially when there are so few openly LGBTQ+ players. Although I think the womens game appears more accepting of players coming out. TBH it really shouldn't be an issue today, but sadly it is.
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Post by scfc29 on Feb 16, 2024 10:26:31 GMT
Not sure if scraping promotion with Sheff Wednesday at the second attempt in league 1 can be seen as too much of a success. Promotion is Promotion, there's no 'Scraping' it - it's done by being consistent over 46 games (+Play Offs if required), so don't get why sometimes these achievements are devalued when it comes to discussing Managers. By your logic, Jim's promotion at County in 2008 wasn't too much of a success, nor DC's from the National League with Hartlepool. Well the context makes all of the difference. Moore’s Sheff Wednesday squad was probably one of the best and most expensive league 1 squads ever assembled. It took him two attempts. In his second year, they completely went off the boil and ended up falling into the playoffs. They lost the first leg 4-0, second leg comeback was an unbelievable game. In the final there were some extremely questionable VAR decisions but ultimately he got them promoted. Objectively did he meet their target of going up? Yes. Subjectively, did he perform well as a manager over his time at Wednesday? Probably not and that’s why he’s probably now found his level at Port Vale. In contrast both DC at Hartlepool and JG’s 2008 promotions are rightfully seen as excellent achievements by managers making more of the squad compared to sum of their parts. A view that will be shared by 99% of respective fan bases, ask Wednesday fans the same about Moore and I’m not sure you’d get such a common response.
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Post by timberwolf on Feb 16, 2024 10:36:04 GMT
Know i,m generalising a bit and going from my experiance, but find women fan more happy in company with gay, lesbian or trans people than the average straight man is. Thats the problem for any footballer who would like to come out especially ones who are non too popular at clubs due to fans feelings about their footballing ability. Really are any of us bothered about the sexual tastes of a fan sitting next to you at a game or even get into a conversation about it.
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