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Post by timberwolf on Feb 16, 2024 10:40:28 GMT
Promotion is Promotion, there's no 'Scraping' it - it's done by being consistent over 46 games (+Play Offs if required), so don't get why sometimes these achievements are devalued when it comes to discussing Managers. By your logic, Jim's promotion at County in 2008 wasn't too much of a success, nor DC's from the National League with Hartlepool. Well the context makes all of the difference. Moore’s Sheff Wednesday squad was probably one of the best and most expensive league 1 squads ever assembled. It took him two attempts. In his second year, they completely went off the boil and ended up falling into the playoffs. They lost the first leg 4-0, second leg comeback was an unbelievable game. In the final there were some extremely questionable VAR decisions but ultimately he got them promoted. Objectively did he meet their target of going up? Yes. Subjectively, did he perform well as a manager over his time at Wednesday? Probably not and that’s why he’s probably now found his level at Port Vale. In contrast both DC at Hartlepool and JG’s 2008 promotions are rightfully seen as excellent achievements by managers making more of the squad compared to sum of their parts. A view that will be shared by 99% of respective fan bases, ask Wednesday fans the same about Moore and I’m not sure you’d get such a common response. Really its a case that most managers as well as players succeed only up to a certain level of the game. Some as well do not succeed once they have been at the top and drop lower. Its horses for courses and as long as they have success somewhere it makes them all decent in the game.
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Post by gibbo on Feb 16, 2024 11:16:21 GMT
In the final there were some extremely questionable VAR decisions but ultimately he got them promoted. Objectively did he meet their target of going up? Yes. Subjectively, did he perform well as a manager over his time at Wednesday? Probably not and that’s why he’s probably now found his level at Port Vale. Not necessarily arguing about Moore's overall ability as a Manager, just that I don't get think you can devalue what he achieved at Wednesday considering in 2 full seasons he went: 1) narrow Play Off loss, 2) Promotion - you'd be hard pressed to say that's somebody who didn't perform well as Manager. You can bring resources in to these discussions but that doesn't guarantee anything, he still had to get them in the position to go up. (not to mention that Wednesday haven't exactly had a great track record with Managers, most of which probably had those equally good resources)
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Post by herbiedumplings on Feb 16, 2024 12:15:10 GMT
Don’t often find myself missing the old board, but the way it nested replies made things easier to follow every now and again!
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Post by mat1scfc on Feb 16, 2024 12:32:13 GMT
Notts Countys big new striker has arrived 2 and half weeks after he signed
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Post by Fallowfield Hatter on Feb 16, 2024 13:22:55 GMT
Notts Countys big new striker has arrived 2 and half weeks after he signed The wait was because he had to get a work permit and international clearance.
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Post by mat1scfc on Feb 16, 2024 13:58:15 GMT
Notts Countys big new striker has arrived 2 and half weeks after he signed The wait was because he had to get a work permit and international clearance. I know but still seems abit long considering they spent 125k on him.
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Post by suedehead on Feb 19, 2024 14:21:57 GMT
Beale gone from Sunderland already.
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Post by gibbo on Feb 19, 2024 14:23:26 GMT
Beale gone from Sunderland already. Wonder if Challinor would be anywhere near their radar ??
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Feb 19, 2024 14:25:00 GMT
Beale gone from Sunderland already. It’s a shame we’ve been in a poor run of form. If we were flying still then Challinor could go there, leave Clint Hill as caretaker to get us over the line, then come back after Sunderland sack him in time for the last couple of games of the season.
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Post by herbiedumplings on Feb 19, 2024 14:29:49 GMT
Notts Countys big new striker has arrived 2 and half weeks after he signed The wait was because he had to get a work permit and international clearance. I thought it was because Notts didn’t send a driver to pick him up from the Premier Inn, so he’d had to walk from Viborg?
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Post by gibbo on Feb 19, 2024 14:37:52 GMT
Beale gone from Sunderland already. They'd lost the last 2 but had won 2 of 3 before that (and drawn the other to Boro). I'd assumed results had been worse.
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Post by suedehead on Feb 19, 2024 14:39:32 GMT
Beale gone from Sunderland already. They'd lost the last 2 but had won 2 of 3 before that (and drawn the other to Boro). I'd assumed results had been worse. Just been chatting to a Sunderland fan at work who told me he'd gone, he was pretty much universally disliked regardless of results. Wasn't wanted in the first place, very arrogant in interviews, players seemingly thought he was a joke too.
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Post by Lee on Feb 19, 2024 14:53:59 GMT
Beale gone from Sunderland already. Wonder if Challinor would be anywhere near their radar ?? Surely got to be Leam Richardson for it?? Joking aside, I've heard Steve Cooper is nailed on for it.
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Post by runtothehills on Feb 19, 2024 19:35:33 GMT
They'd lost the last 2 but had won 2 of 3 before that (and drawn the other to Boro). I'd assumed results had been worse. Just been chatting to a Sunderland fan at work who told me he'd gone, he was pretty much universally disliked regardless of results. Wasn't wanted in the first place, very arrogant in interviews, players seemingly thought he was a joke too. Same as I’ve heard, my brother in law is in the game and the general consensus when he was appointed was wtf were they thinking.
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Post by Bredburyhatter on Feb 19, 2024 20:34:19 GMT
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