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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2024 9:59:32 GMT
Get rid of the Trophy and have the League cup as a proper Football League comp. Championship, L1 and L2. Final at Wembley. It's nice in theory, but sponsorship and broadcast interest would soon go when you take the big boys out. Not to mention that fans currently moaning about things as they stand, would then moan about the fact that there's no incentive to the competition if you've not got the potential to draw a big team.
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Post by The Real Exile on Aug 29, 2024 10:02:39 GMT
Dare i mention the name Lee Hughes. One player who stands out above all our opponents whoever he played for at EP. Made it even worse when i wanted him to have a nightmare. Could add the name Paul Barnes as well. A player who always did well against us but could have signed. Remember that hammering at turd moor where his goals won the game single handed. I've confessed it before on here, but I secretly wanted to see Mark Stein in a County shirt.
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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2024 10:06:29 GMT
Yeah the European competitions have not been drawn yet. There were CL qualifiers last night so I suspect they had no choice (other than kicking them out or making them play 2nd teams) but it's not ideal. The draw is today I think, only other option might have been to wait till after that and see how the CL fixtures fall, but that's probably even more messy. In truth, the 'tweak' (which is all it is) to the League Cup draw is one that will cause far greater moans than any actual tangible / noticeable impact to any club / supporter involved or interested in the competition.
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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2024 10:08:33 GMT
It's not just an admin thing. I give the absolute state of English football as evidence. We're all in the same boat though, don't try and make out there's something more authentic about what's going on at County at the moment compared to the Premier League.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Aug 29, 2024 10:09:37 GMT
Get rid of the Trophy and have the League cup as a proper Football League comp. Championship, L1 and L2. Final at Wembley. It's nice in theory, but sponsorship and broadcast interest would soon go when you take the big boys out. Not to mention that fans currently moaning about things as they stand, would then moan about the fact that there's no incentive to the competition if you've not got the potential to draw a big team. And? Is sponsorship and broadcast interest the only criterion for having a competition? It's the Football League Cup. And if that is the only/main criterion, the EFL seems to be doing pretty well at the moment with sponsorship and TV rights for their exclusive competition. There's also a greater incentive in that more teams could actually win it.
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Post by Mozzer on Aug 29, 2024 10:17:11 GMT
It's not just an admin thing. I give the absolute state of English football as evidence. We're all in the same boat though, don't try and make out there's something more authentic about what's going on at County at the moment compared to the Premier League. I didn't say it was more authentic nor was it implied.
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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2024 10:17:12 GMT
the EFL seems to be doing pretty well at the moment with sponsorship and TV rights for their exclusive competition.
Because it's underpinned by the fact that a Premier League place is ultimately at stake, if there was a complete split from the Premier League and Promotion didn't exist then I doubt the EFL would have the same sell There's also a greater incentive in that more teams could actually win it.Never really helped the EFL Trophy has it though, at least in the early rounds? the same logic would apply to the competition you propose, poor crowds early, pick up as it gets close to Wembley
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 29, 2024 10:20:18 GMT
Yeah the European competitions have not been drawn yet. There were CL qualifiers last night so I suspect they had no choice (other than kicking them out or making them play 2nd teams) but it's not ideal. The draw is today I think, only other option might have been to wait till after that and see how the CL fixtures fall, but that's probably even more messy. In truth, the 'tweak' (which is all it is) to the League Cup draw is one that will cause far greater moans than any actual tangible / noticeable impact to any club / supporter involved or interested in the competition. It does increase the likelihood of a bog club-small club draw too. I worry it sets a dangerous precedent though and is a slipper slope.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Aug 29, 2024 10:22:12 GMT
the EFL seems to be doing pretty well at the moment with sponsorship and TV rights for their exclusive competition.
Because it's underpinned by the fact that a Premier League place is ultimately at stake, if there was a complete split from the Premier League and Promotion didn't exist then I doubt the EFL would have the same sell There's also a greater incentive in that more teams could actually win it.Never really helped the EFL Trophy has it though, at least in the early rounds? the same logic would apply the competition you propose, poor crowds early, pick up as it gets close to Wembley Your first point is again based around finance. I addressed it in the spirit it was raised, but to be absolutely honest, I don't care about sponsorship or TV rights. For me it's a question of whether you bend over backwards to accommodate the bigger clubs in order to maximise revenue (and you're probably right tbh), or keep the integrity of a competition. For me, it's the latter. The Trophy doesn't have Championship teams in it. It's a lower league (ha!) competition. This would be a full FL competition. And see "integrity" above.
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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2024 10:24:04 GMT
I worry it sets a dangerous precedent though and is a slipper slope. Possibly, but that was said about the U21's in the EFL Trophy (next step B Teams in League 2, etc) and that's never (and unlikely to in the foreseeable) come close to happening.
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Post by gibbo on Aug 29, 2024 10:28:50 GMT
For me it's a question of whether you bend over backwards to accommodate the bigger clubs in order to maximise revenue (and you're probably right tbh), or keep the integrity of a competition. For me, it's the latter. I bet Mark Stott wouldn't agree with you on that though ?? I just don't think we can be too principled / romantic on these sorts of things, while at the same time being happy to cheer on Louie Barry every week / get excited about the EP redevelopment, etc, (while also expecting some sort of self-sufficiency / less reliance on Stott putting his hand in his pocket).
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 29, 2024 11:25:22 GMT
Victor Edvardsen (Swedish ST) turned down Barnsley last minute. Back in for DKD with an improved offer anticipating the windfall from the United game? From Barnsley's board below. He's got a very decent goalscoring record (not sure of the standard though) and 1 Sweden cap last year. They were apparently going to pay £600k for him. " www.aftonbladet.se/sportbla...ista-stund?utm_source=iosapp&utm_medium=shareTranslates as follows...
There will be no loan to Barnsley for Victor Edvardsen.
According to Sportbladet's information, the player has chosen to cancel the transfer due to family reasons.
The striker will now continue to play in the Go Ahead Eagles.
It was on Tuesday that Sportbladet could reveal that Victor Edvardsen would travel to England on Wednesday to undergo the medical examination and be officially presented by Barnsley FC in League One.
According to Sportbladet's information, the player has chosen to cancel the transfer due to family reasons.
The striker will now continue to play in the Go Ahead Eagles.
At the time, the parties had agreed on a loan with a purchase option of around eight million kroner and the player also agreed on the personal terms with the club.
He also passed the medical tests and everything was pat and ready for a transfer.
But at the last moment the player himself blew off the transfer. It must have mainly been about family reasons, according to Sportbladet's information. Now the player has traveled back to the Netherlands and will apparently remain with the Go Ahead Eagles.
At least until January. Edvardsen will soon join the team again.
EDIT for info 8 million kroner roughly equals £600,000"
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Post by AllyF on Aug 29, 2024 12:35:49 GMT
Could be a Marsden but notice Rebecca Welch has retired to take up a managerial role within the PGMOL
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on Aug 29, 2024 13:57:09 GMT
Crawley trending on X for apparently kicking Brighton all game. Didn't watch it myself but 2 Brighton injuries (including their £25m signing in under 10 mins) and a red for Crawley. They lost 4-0. O'Reily needs surgery on his ankle. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c984g482523o
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Post by malc on Aug 29, 2024 15:16:27 GMT
Victor Edvardsen (Swedish ST) turned down Barnsley last minute. Back in for DKD with an improved offer anticipating the windfall from the United game? From Barnsley's board below. He's got a very decent goalscoring record (not sure of the standard though) and 1 Sweden cap last year. They were apparently going to pay £600k for him. " www.aftonbladet.se/sportbla...ista-stund?utm_source=iosapp&utm_medium=shareTranslates as follows...
There will be no loan to Barnsley for Victor Edvardsen.
According to Sportbladet's information, the player has chosen to cancel the transfer due to family reasons.
The striker will now continue to play in the Go Ahead Eagles.
It was on Tuesday that Sportbladet could reveal that Victor Edvardsen would travel to England on Wednesday to undergo the medical examination and be officially presented by Barnsley FC in League One.
According to Sportbladet's information, the player has chosen to cancel the transfer due to family reasons.
The striker will now continue to play in the Go Ahead Eagles.
At the time, the parties had agreed on a loan with a purchase option of around eight million kroner and the player also agreed on the personal terms with the club.
He also passed the medical tests and everything was pat and ready for a transfer.
But at the last moment the player himself blew off the transfer. It must have mainly been about family reasons, according to Sportbladet's information. Now the player has traveled back to the Netherlands and will apparently remain with the Go Ahead Eagles.
At least until January. Edvardsen will soon join the team again.
EDIT for info 8 million kroner roughly equals £600,000"Perhaps he took one look at Barnsley and thought, "duck this, I ain't coming here." TBH, I wouldn't blame him if he did.
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