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Post by Imposter on May 18, 2022 15:21:15 GMT
The club need to be careful as our season tickets are already quite expensive. Anything touching £400 or higher will be one of the most expensive season tickets in the entire division in a working class area as energy bills and inflation rockets upwards. We're getting 9k people through the gates, lets capitalise on that first before increases on a season ticket you only get 2 games free with. Aren’t most football clubs in working class areas? Chelsea, Fulham, Forest Green, Wycombe, Harrogate, Solihull
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 15:22:14 GMT
Aren’t most football clubs in working class areas? Chelsea, Fulham, Forest Green, Wycombe, Harrogate, Solihull So most then 🤣
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Post by suedehead on May 18, 2022 15:23:23 GMT
Freeze renewals at the same price. £400 for all new season ticket holders, do away with any 'early bird offer' other than the renewal window for existing season ticket holders but offer a direct debit / monthly instalment payment scheme. New price category introduced for young adults (rather than just students) and/or reduced prices for people currently out of work. Adult tickets bumped up to £20. A proper loyalty scheme introduced next season for away games or at the very least a new ticketing system/provider. Pretty much this. Can't remember how much I paid for my season ticket last year, maybe £350? £385 seems about the upper limit of where I'd not even really notice, £400 seems a lot. We've got a big opportunity to help people out a little with every other bill rising, wouldn't it be great if we could reverse the trend? I'm not expecting them to be £200, but we probably don't need to take the piss. But moreimportant than any of that is a proper loyalty scheme and a fit-for-purpose ticketing system. People shouldn't have to take time off work and queue up at 5am for tickets for an away game because the ticketing system is unreliable. Before someone wades in and misses the point by saying people have been queueing overnight for years, yes they have. And I'm sure they'll continue to do that. But some were queueing for 4/5 hours because they didn't trust the fragile, piss poor online sales, that's the difference. So, that. And a loyalty scheme. Off the top of my head for next season, Salford will be a huge ballache. It was in the National League North in 2017 both times, let alone what it'll be like in the Football League. If we get Rochdale, Crewe, possibly Wrexham again etc towards the end of the season, they could be the same. This ins't necessarily the place to discuss the ins and outs of how such a system should work, or maybe it is, but as a minimum the club have at least this season's data and ticket sales (including a good portion of away games) to allocate points against. So for the start of 22/23 everyone who has bought a ticket in the past 12 months has a score which they can increase througohut the season with future ticket sales. The club can insist all tickets for our away games are sold through the County ticket office so nothing slips through the net**. Otherwise if we get Salford away first game back in the league then it's another shambolic scenario of lifelong, not missed a match for 30 years fans in the same pot as some donkey from Poynton (they're always from Poynton, aren't they?) who has jumped on the bandwagon and bought a season ticket for the first time. The data is at the club now. The expertise is readily available for hire. It's just a matter of the club prioritising it as an issue. And I think if they consulted and asked a decent portion of our fan base, this would rank very highly as an issue. **I know that some away games this season were cash on the gate/tickets from the away club, but I think we'd just have to write those off in terms of awarding historical points. There's plenty of games that were on sale through us (Wrexham, Chesterfield, Alty, Yeovil, Grimsby, Needham Market, Rotherham, Bolton - cba thinking back any further than that) and we can allocate historical points for.
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Post by Ngard on May 18, 2022 15:28:58 GMT
The club need to be careful as our season tickets are already quite expensive. Anything touching £400 or higher will be one of the most expensive season tickets in the entire division in a working class area as energy bills and inflation rockets upwards. We're getting 9k people through the gates, lets capitalise on that first before increases on a season ticket you only get 2 games free with. Aren’t most football clubs in working class areas? Sure, but my point is I think as a club we've always been strongest in the likes of Edgeley/Offerton. Lots of other clubs can be based in a working class area but still pull a lot of support around its more affluent areas. In fact I think the club a few years ago published a breakdown of ST holders by postcode and the vast majority of them are based within walking distance of the ground, which are going to be areas feeling the pinch more than most. If we go past £400 (I've heard £420 thrown around as a renewal figure which I will be disgusted with if true) then we are pricing out our core demographic especially those from around the area who have only started coming this season. Unfortunately for us most of the more affluent areas of the borough are of the bitter blue variety.
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Post by Imposter on May 18, 2022 15:48:43 GMT
Chelsea, Fulham, Forest Green, Wycombe, Harrogate, Solihull So most then 🤣 That was just off the top of my head. There will be plenty more I can think of.
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Post by Tameside_hatter on May 18, 2022 16:10:43 GMT
Freeze renewals at the same price. £400 for all new season ticket holders, do away with any 'early bird offer' other than the renewal window for existing season ticket holders but offer a direct debit / monthly instalment payment scheme. New price category introduced for young adults (rather than just students) and/or reduced prices for people currently out of work. Adult tickets bumped up to £20. A proper loyalty scheme introduced next season for away games or at the very least a new ticketing system/provider. Pretty much this. Can't remember how much I paid for my season ticket last year, maybe £350? £385 seems about the upper limit of where I'd not even really notice, £400 seems a lot. We've got a big opportunity to help people out a little with every other bill rising, wouldn't it be great if we could reverse the trend? I'm not expecting them to be £200, but we probably don't need to take the piss. But moreimportant than any of that is a proper loyalty scheme and a fit-for-purpose ticketing system. People shouldn't have to take time off work and queue up at 5am for tickets for an away game because the ticketing system is unreliable. Before someone wades in and misses the point by saying people have been queueing overnight for years, yes they have. And I'm sure they'll continue to do that. But some were queueing for 4/5 hours because they didn't trust the fragile, piss poor online sales, that's the difference. So, that. And a loyalty scheme. Off the top of my head for next season, Salford will be a huge ballache. It was in the National League North in 2017 both times, let alone what it'll be like in the Football League. If we get Rochdale, Crewe, possibly Wrexham again etc towards the end of the season, they could be the same. This ins't necessarily the place to discuss the ins and outs of how such a system should work, or maybe it is, but as a minimum the club have at least this season's data and ticket sales (including a good portion of away games) to allocate points against. So for the start of 22/23 everyone who has bought a ticket in the past 12 months has a score which they can increase througohut the season with future ticket sales. The club can insist all tickets for our away games are sold through the County ticket office so nothing slips through the net**. Otherwise if we get Salford away first game back in the league then it's another shambolic scenario of lifelong, not missed a match for 30 years fans in the same pot as some donkey from Poynton (they're always from Poynton, aren't they?) who has jumped on the bandwagon and bought a season ticket for the first time. The data is at the club now. The expertise is readily available for hire. It's just a matter of the club prioritising it as an issue. And I think if they consulted and asked a decent portion of our fan base, this would rank very highly as an issue. **I know that some away games this season were cash on the gate/tickets from the away club, but I think we'd just have to write those off in terms of awarding historical points. There's plenty of games that were on sale through us (Wrexham, Chesterfield, Alty, Yeovil, Grimsby, Needham Market, Rotherham, Bolton - cba thinking back any further than that) and we can allocate historical points for. 100 percent this. I missed out on Wrexham tickets because of the fragility of the ticketing system. I have now decided that in the future I will have to find a way of queuing at the ticket office because I have no confidence in the present ticketing system. When I had a rant about the ticketing system somebody said the same thing happens at Glastonbury. We are talking about 4000 people here not hundreds of thousands.
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Post by TC on May 18, 2022 16:11:52 GMT
Subject title is misleading. Should read: Season Ticket Speculation for 2022/23
Edit: Well that's an improvement.
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Post by DaveLong79 on May 18, 2022 18:37:37 GMT
My renewal was £325 last season. I don't mind paying more given we're a FL club and the huge investment made over the last couple of years, but anything over £370 or £380 for a renewal is a bit steep in my opinion. If that's the case you're looking at over £400 for the full price.
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Post by mustafapoint on May 18, 2022 18:42:44 GMT
How much does Dosser pay for his luxury box?
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Post by The Real Exile on May 18, 2022 18:48:21 GMT
Ten Bob
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Post by gibbo on May 18, 2022 18:48:35 GMT
My renewal was £325 last season. I don't mind paying more given we're a FL club and the huge investment made over the last couple of years, but anything over £370 or £380 for a renewal is a bit steep in my opinion. If that's the case you're looking at over £400 for the full price. Was the renewal offer unique to the Covid / Streaming situation of the season before, bit of a Thank You to those that (unlike me!) didn't take a refund? Don't recall us always having a renewal offer, usually been Early Bird / Full Price.
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Post by suedehead on May 18, 2022 18:57:11 GMT
My renewal was £325 last season. I don't mind paying more given we're a FL club and the huge investment made over the last couple of years, but anything over £370 or £380 for a renewal is a bit steep in my opinion. If that's the case you're looking at over £400 for the full price. Was the renewal offer unique to the Covid / Streaming situation of the season before, bit of a Thank You to those that (unlike me!) didn't take a refund? Don't recall us always having a renewal offer, usually been Early Bird / Full Price. Yeah, it was. We got two games out of our 20/21 season tickets (plus free streaming) so think it was fixed for renewals for this season. I actually missed the early bird deadline by a few days because I just didn’t get round to it but they honoured it at the ticket office when I spoke to them which was great.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 18, 2022 19:01:56 GMT
Freeze renewals at the same price. £400 for all new season ticket holders, do away with any 'early bird offer' other than the renewal window for existing season ticket holders but offer a direct debit / monthly instalment payment scheme. New price category introduced for young adults (rather than just students) and/or reduced prices for people currently out of work. Adult tickets bumped up to £20. A proper loyalty scheme introduced next season for away games or at the very least a new ticketing system/provider. **I know that some away games this season were cash on the gate/tickets from the away club, but I think we'd just have to write those off in terms of awarding historical points. There's plenty of games that were on sale through us (Wrexham, Chesterfield, Alty, Yeovil, Grimsby, Needham Market, Rotherham, Bolton - cba thinking back any further than that) and we can allocate historical points for. I like it but one tiny point. If you were to include some of the above games that were away sellouts, you're double penalising people that weren't ST holders so couldn't get tickets (as presumably being a ST holder will attract the most points) or penalising fans that were ST holders but because of the system/limited availability missed out in the flood.
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Post by suedehead on May 18, 2022 19:33:00 GMT
**I know that some away games this season were cash on the gate/tickets from the away club, but I think we'd just have to write those off in terms of awarding historical points. There's plenty of games that were on sale through us (Wrexham, Chesterfield, Alty, Yeovil, Grimsby, Needham Market, Rotherham, Bolton - cba thinking back any further than that) and we can allocate historical points for. I like it but one tiny point. If you were to include some of the above games that were away sellouts, you're double penalising people that weren't ST holders so couldn't get tickets (as presumably being a ST holder will attract the most points) or penalising fans that were ST holders but because of the system/limited availability missed out in the flood. You say penalising, I say rewarding those who went everywhere. There’ll be some quirks in the short term while it settles down but in the medium-long term it’d sort itself out. It’s only a small number of fans (c100) who go everywhere to every game. They’d soon pull away and be out on their own in terms of points. There’d then be the next tranche who do 16-20 away games a season (which I’d probably fall in to), then then next tranche and so on. It’d sort itself out even sooner if our first five away games next season were Crawley, Gillingham, Colchester and someone like Ipswich in the Carabao. And if the first five were Salford, Vale, Bradford, Rochdale and Crewe then it’d sort itself out a little later. Someone convince me I’m wrong please.
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Post by Barmy Blue Army on May 18, 2022 19:44:11 GMT
I like it but one tiny point. If you were to include some of the above games that were away sellouts, you're double penalising people that weren't ST holders so couldn't get tickets (as presumably being a ST holder will attract the most points) or penalising fans that were ST holders but because of the system/limited availability missed out in the flood. You say penalising, I say rewarding those who went everywhere. There’ll be some quirks in the short term while it settles down but in the medium-long term it’d sort itself out. It’s only a small number of fans (c100) who go everywhere to every game. They’d soon pull away and be out on their own in terms of points. There’d then be the next tranche who do 16-20 away games a season (which I’d probably fall in to), then then next tranche and so on. It’d sort itself out even sooner if our first five away games next season were Crawley, Gillingham, Colchester and someone like Ipswich in the Carabao. And if the first five were Salford, Vale, Bradford, Rochdale and Crewe then it’d sort itself out a little later. Someone convince me I’m wrong please. True it's semantics but it doesn't work initially to count points for away sellouts if you say that the ''old'' system wasn't fit for purpose. Why should a ST holder that tried their best to get a ticket for Wrexham but got shut out of the system have less points than one that got lucky and did get one? Similarly for games that never went on general sale you are penalising someone for not getting a ST and for a game that they could never have purchased a ticket for. So it becomes a bit of a closed shop until you have a good chunk of games everyone can go to. I agree it works in general though and will settle itself out longterm. I suspect the club wouldn't be keen though given that it's a handle of games it matters for where there's too much demand even amongst ST holders and another layer of admin. Unless they see the benefit of incentivising people to buy tickets for ''minor'' games so they can get the ''major'' ones.
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