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Post by vicar on Mar 28, 2024 23:21:58 GMT
Was it on his first contract? Or his first spell? Don’t know tbh. Either way, I’d still argue it was unnecessarily generous. I think we were already losing a % to do with the ground? However you look st it he improved us year on year, he might have took a small percentage of each transfer fee but he replaced them with better players, if he hadn't we wouldn't have kept on improving, it was win win.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 29, 2024 1:55:55 GMT
It’s a straight forward bonus arrangement I really don't see the controversy, it's not as if it was to the team's detriment. Had a conversation with Roger Wylde at a recent event and he asked me my opinion on Jim. Roger said jim was taking massive cuts of the players when sold. And the year we went into admin according to Roger Jim wouldn't let them take his Mrs off the books because it would affect his child benefits. Roger Wylde didn't have a good word to say about him. I've heard some rather unsavoury stuff about Wylde and his attitude towards women being physios - so I wouldn't trust much he said she said if I were you.
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Post by someoneelse on Mar 29, 2024 7:26:25 GMT
HICBC didn’t come in until two or three years after admin, so there might well have been a reason for him not wanting them to do it, but it wouldn’t have been that. It was certainly something along them lines. The club wanted to cut costs and Roger said he begged the club to keep her on the books. If she was on the books as a means for JG to use some of her tax allowance it wouldn't have made any difference to the club. I'd speculate JG was offered a certain amount by the club, and using his partner's allowance meant his take home pay was a lot more as it kept him under a certain threshold. Of no real consequence to the club but quite important to JG. And very fair. If the club wanted to bin her off the books or change the nature of the agreement with JG, I understand why he'd dig his heels in.
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Post by Gary_1883 on Mar 29, 2024 8:26:24 GMT
It was certainly something along them lines. The club wanted to cut costs and Roger said he begged the club to keep her on the books. If she was on the books as a means for JG to use some of her tax allowance it wouldn't have made any difference to the club. I'd speculate JG was offered a certain amount by the club, and using his partner's allowance meant his take home pay was a lot more as it kept him under a certain threshold. Of no real consequence to the club but quite important to JG. And very fair. If the club wanted to bin her off the books or change the nature of the agreement with JG, I understand why he'd dig his heels in. Almost certainly cheaper than Mark McGhee.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 29, 2024 8:43:50 GMT
There was a running joke apparently at one point that she was the best paid tea lady ever think it was Rob Clare who said that who has never really held Jim in great regard I don't think If someone like Rob Clare doesn’t think much of you, then you’re probably doing something right 😂 Really its about how a person does their job that matters more than who likes who. Met JG, Rob Clare and Roger Wylde and as personalities i found the first two fine but could never take to Wylde. Just something about him i could not take to but does not mean what he did in his job was bad. Those who have few detractors might either be hiding something or con men who change themselves depending on who they are facing or just following the majority. The only period in our history that i do know something about was the melia and murphy season where the former was a joke figure but the murph was respected by all but not liked by a few.
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Post by desmond on Mar 29, 2024 9:05:21 GMT
If someone like Rob Clare doesn’t think much of you, then you’re probably doing something right 😂 Really its about how a person does their job that matters more than who likes who. Met JG, Rob Clare and Roger Wylde and as personalities i found the first two fine but could never take to Wylde. Just something about him i could not take to but does not mean what he did in his job was bad. Those who have few detractors might either be hiding something or con men who change themselves depending on who they are facing or just following the majority. The only period in our history that i do know something about was the melia and murphy season where the former was a joke figure but the murph was respected by all but not liked by a few. Met Rodger numerous times at EP and he always came across perfectly fine. Like many people though you don’t know what their personal thoughts/personas really are.
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Post by tgttiw on Mar 29, 2024 9:36:54 GMT
Really its about how a person does their job that matters more than who likes who. Met JG, Rob Clare and Roger Wylde and as personalities i found the first two fine but could never take to Wylde. Just something about him i could not take to but does not mean what he did in his job was bad. Those who have few detractors might either be hiding something or con men who change themselves depending on who they are facing or just following the majority. The only period in our history that i do know something about was the melia and murphy season where the former was a joke figure but the murph was respected by all but not liked by a few. Met Rodger numerous times at EP and he always came across perfectly fine. Like many people though you don’t know what their personal thoughts/personas really are. I met Roger behind the scenes and he seemed perfectly fine. I know his cousin and he's such a good bloke.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Mar 29, 2024 9:44:54 GMT
Was it on his first contract? Or his first spell? Don’t know tbh. Either way, I’d still argue it was unnecessarily generous. I think we were already losing a % to do with the ground? No, the %age was going to pay off the debt meaning we'd eventually own EP.
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Post by vicar on Mar 29, 2024 9:45:17 GMT
Really its about how a person does their job that matters more than who likes who. Met JG, Rob Clare and Roger Wylde and as personalities i found the first two fine but could never take to Wylde. Just something about him i could not take to but does not mean what he did in his job was bad. Those who have few detractors might either be hiding something or con men who change themselves depending on who they are facing or just following the majority. The only period in our history that i do know something about was the melia and murphy season where the former was a joke figure but the murph was respected by all but not liked by a few. Met Rodger numerous times at EP and he always came across perfectly fine. Like many people though you don’t know what their personal thoughts/personas really are. Loved him as a player and he was a great character as a physio but when someone slags off a club legend I take sides, Jim performed miracles for our club yet people object to him being paid for it, he's obviously not made the fortune some claim as I've heard he's a school caretaker now, how many out of work managers are doing that?
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Post by Henry Pratt on Mar 29, 2024 9:51:44 GMT
Bergara was on the same deal. It made and makes sense for a selling club. Club shop profits, less so. It was entirely unnecessary for Jim’s first contract. We were giving him a massive step up. Terrible deal for the club. There are two arguments really. One is employed by those looking to have a dig at JG, and it falls down because as I've pointed out, the guy of whom we've got a statue outside the CE was on the same deal. The second is whether the deal is unnecessary in itself. I must admit when I first heard Bergara was on that kind of deal, I thought hang on a minute... But if you think about it, it does make some kind of sense, in a game where transfer fees are so important to a club's finances. If you make a 200K profit on a player, and that's reduced to 180K because the manager's on 10% then yes, it's 20K less for the club. But the principle is that without the manager's input you might have only sold the player for 150K, 100K or nothing. It seems weird but developing players to sell on and getting a cut is a kind of performance related bonus. And for me, the fact that it was his first contract is irrelevant. If you agree the principle, any manager should be on it, potentially.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 29, 2024 9:53:29 GMT
Really its about how a person does their job that matters more than who likes who. Met JG, Rob Clare and Roger Wylde and as personalities i found the first two fine but could never take to Wylde. Just something about him i could not take to but does not mean what he did in his job was bad. Those who have few detractors might either be hiding something or con men who change themselves depending on who they are facing or just following the majority. The only period in our history that i do know something about was the melia and murphy season where the former was a joke figure but the murph was respected by all but not liked by a few. Met Rodger numerous times at EP and he always came across perfectly fine. Like many people though you don’t know what their personal thoughts/personas really are. Exactly we all have different opinions on everybody because we see them differently. One mans meat etc.
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Post by Henry Pratt on Mar 29, 2024 9:54:31 GMT
Had a conversation with Roger Wylde at a recent event and he asked me my opinion on Jim. Roger said jim was taking massive cuts of the players when sold. And the year we went into admin according to Roger Jim wouldn't let them take his Mrs off the books because it would affect his child benefits. Roger Wylde didn't have a good word to say about him. I've heard some rather unsavoury stuff about Wylde and his attitude towards women being physios - so I wouldn't trust much he said she said if I were you. There was a high-profile unfair dismissal case that a woman brought against us when our record with such things was pretty poor. Obviously they were only allegations brought as part of her case, and were never actually proven, but she claimed some pretty horrible things about the sexism which seemed rife at the time.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 29, 2024 10:07:02 GMT
I've heard some rather unsavoury stuff about Wylde and his attitude towards women being physios - so I wouldn't trust much he said she said if I were you. There was a high-profile unfair dismissal case that a woman brought against us when our record with such things was pretty poor. Obviously they were only allegations brought as part of her case, and were never actually proven, but she claimed some pretty horrible things about the sexism which seemed rife at the time. It was across football then, but you have to go back to that period and not compare things with the present day attitudes but attitudes that prevailed at that time. Even older people who feel they are out of touch with todays world and far more progressive in thought and deed than their parents were when the N word was prevelent and anyone was a puff who even dressed in a very smart manner or dared to grow their hair longer than the short back and sides.
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Post by vicar on Mar 29, 2024 10:41:48 GMT
There was a high-profile unfair dismissal case that a woman brought against us when our record with such things was pretty poor. Obviously they were only allegations brought as part of her case, and were never actually proven, but she claimed some pretty horrible things about the sexism which seemed rife at the time. It was across football then, but you have to go back to that period and not compare things with the present day attitudes but attitudes that prevailed at that time. Even older people who feel they are out of touch with todays world and far more progressive in thought and deed than their parents were when the N word was prevelent and anyone was a puff who even dressed in a very smart manner or dared to grow their hair longer than the short back and sides. Made me chuckle that Timbers.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 29, 2024 11:28:07 GMT
It was across football then, but you have to go back to that period and not compare things with the present day attitudes but attitudes that prevailed at that time. Even older people who feel they are out of touch with todays world and far more progressive in thought and deed than their parents were when the N word was prevelent and anyone was a puff who even dressed in a very smart manner or dared to grow their hair longer than the short back and sides. Made me chuckle that Timbers. Must have suffered like me by the sounds of it.
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