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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 18, 2022 17:18:16 GMT
Seriously? When Jim Gannon took over with the club at the bottom of the league to replace Chris Turner he wasn't the way forward? GOBingo cards at the ready...
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Post by Nik on Sept 18, 2022 17:18:20 GMT
We sacked Jim and replaced him with Simon Rusk. Even the best part of two years later that is still one of the most baffling decisions the club has ever made. If Challinor went Jim would still be my number one choice to replace him. And here is revealed the fundamental issue with this forum - a total inability to move forward from entrenched positions, and a perspective reinforced by little more than constant unthinking repetition; a viewpoint as out of touch with reality as so many other threads on this forum. Much as I appreciate everything that Jim has done for the club as a player, manager, and ambassador, he is not the way forward, nor ever was. The removal of Jim was explicable, and rapidly - after a false start (Rusk) - led to an escape from the NL which will elude a number of big teams for the next few years. The Rusk experiment failed, but was in fact worth a try; another manager from this mould may have worked, but Rusk didn’t; football management is not an exact science, and our progress over the next few years will not be straightforward. The removal of Jim was not baffling at all, and I am surprised that you think it was. So what you're saying is Jim was holding us back in the National League?
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Post by stevie57 on Sept 18, 2022 17:22:04 GMT
Seriously? When Jim Gannon took over with the club at the bottom of the league to replace Chris Turner he wasn't the way forward? Thanks to Glenn Turner, Jim got us out of NLN; he was the answer at the time - no question.
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Post by Philcounty on Sept 18, 2022 17:22:53 GMT
He may or may not be the way forward now, but the idea that he never was is absolutely totally and completely nuts and comprehensively disproven. Which is a polite way of saying laughable bollocks. Which is pretty much what I think of your viewpoint, but hey ho! In my opinion we would have gone up of we'd kept him the season he was sacked. We'd have a season at this level under our belt already and would either already be in L1 or challenging hard for it at this point. The decision to get rid of Gannon was baffling, the decision to replace him with Rusk was just ludicrous. If we get rid of DCh, my best case scenario would be Simon Wilson out and Jim Gannon in with whoever he wants to help him with recruitment. That's my viewpoint, make of it what you will.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Sept 18, 2022 17:23:58 GMT
Seriously? When Jim Gannon took over with the club at the bottom of the league to replace Chris Turner he wasn't the way forward? Thanks to Glenn Turner, Jim got us out of NLN; he was the answer at the time - no question. Glen Taylor
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 18, 2022 17:25:07 GMT
Which is pretty much what I think of your viewpoint, but hey ho! In my opinion we would have gone up of we'd kept him the season he was sacked. We'd have a season at this level under our belt already and would either already be in L1 or challenging hard for it at this point. The decision to get rid of Gannon was baffling, the decision to replace him with Rusk was just ludicrous. If we get rid of DCh, my best case scenario would be Simon Wilson out and Jim Gannon in with whoever he wants to help him with recruitment. That's my viewpoint, make of it what you will. I'd much rather we booted Wilson before Challinor
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Post by Philcounty on Sept 18, 2022 17:25:30 GMT
Seriously? When Jim Gannon took over with the club at the bottom of the league to replace Chris Turner he wasn't the way forward? Thanks to Glenn Turner, Jim got us out of NLN; he was the answer at the time - no question. Who's this Glenn Turner fella? If you're suggesting that we only went up based on one moment rather than the points we accumulated throughout the season then you're making your view point seem even more ridiculous than it already did.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 18, 2022 17:26:12 GMT
Thanks to Glenn Turner, Jim got us out of NLN; he was the answer at the time - no question. Glen Taylor ffs this again. When will they realise that we played 41 other league games that season?
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Post by Philcounty on Sept 18, 2022 17:26:41 GMT
In my opinion we would have gone up of we'd kept him the season he was sacked. We'd have a season at this level under our belt already and would either already be in L1 or challenging hard for it at this point. The decision to get rid of Gannon was baffling, the decision to replace him with Rusk was just ludicrous. If we get rid of DCh, my best case scenario would be Simon Wilson out and Jim Gannon in with whoever he wants to help him with recruitment. That's my viewpoint, make of it what you will. I'd much rather we booted Wilson before Challinor Agreed. I'd much rather we booted Simon Wilson out before the end of the next working day.
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Post by stevie57 on Sept 18, 2022 17:28:14 GMT
We would not have gone up with Jim because we weren’t good enough; the NLN play-off against Chorley with Jim in charge was no better or worse than Rusk v Hartlepool.
Selectivity and omission when recalling past events is a pretty fatal trap.
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Post by Philcounty on Sept 18, 2022 17:29:47 GMT
We would not have gone up with Jim because we weren’t good enough; the NLN play-off against Chorley with Jim in charge was no better or worse than Rusk v Hartlepool. Selectivity and omission when recalling past events is a pretty fatal trap. That was the season before and (as with every season under Jim) we were much improved the following season.
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Post by Count de Stockport on Sept 18, 2022 17:31:53 GMT
We would not have gone up with Jim because we weren’t good enough; the NLN play-off against Chorley with Jim in charge was no better or worse than Rusk v Hartlepool. Selectivity and omission when recalling past events is a pretty fatal trap. We were fourth and improving when Jim got sacked. The next season, Grimsby finished seventh and went up. Practise what you preach.
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Post by Nik on Sept 18, 2022 17:32:03 GMT
We would not have gone up with Jim because we weren’t good enough; the NLN play-off against Chorley with Jim in charge was no better or worse than Rusk v Hartlepool. Selectivity and omission when recalling past events is a pretty fatal trap. That last line could not be more ironic if you tried.
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Post by stevie57 on Sept 18, 2022 17:32:14 GMT
Grovelling apologies fro the Turner/Taylor faux pas - but the point stands; Glen Taylor got us out of NLN.
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Post by hedleyverity on Sept 18, 2022 17:32:54 GMT
Seriously? When Jim Gannon took over with the club at the bottom of the league to replace Chris Turner he wasn't the way forward? Thanks to Glenn Turner, Jim got us out of NLN; he was the answer at the time - no question. Glen Turner was a very good batsman, but not relevant to this discussion. The season Jim took over from Chris Turner was nothing to do with getting us out of the NLN. Apart from that...
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