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Post by timberwolf on Mar 22, 2024 11:36:55 GMT
It’s literally some colours on a shirt. I’ve seen people moaning about rainbows but it’s only dark blue, blue and purple. Never seen a rainbow like that before. “What was my grandad like?” “Yeah he was great. Wasted a lot of time in his life pointlessly moaning about colours on a shirt he was never going to buy for £120 anyway but other than that, a decent bloke” Its not an exact copy of any colours or flags but as close as they dared to do it. Those on both sides of the arguement really know its not just a newly designed cross but meant to be for something else even if the manufacturers and the ones agreeing to it say there isn,t.
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Post by Mozzer on Mar 22, 2024 11:39:47 GMT
It's a bit like Brexit. Not everyone who objects to the design is a right-wing reactionary, but all right-wing reactionaries object to the design.
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 22, 2024 11:40:29 GMT
The purple colour is a reference to the away shirt, I believe. The away shirt is purple as it's seen as a mix between the blue and red colours regularly used for England away shirts over the years. Honestly do you really believe that. Roll on the new County orange away kit next season as a homage to the yellow and red ones of the past.
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Post by Mozzer on Mar 22, 2024 11:48:38 GMT
The purple colour is a reference to the away shirt, I believe. The away shirt is purple as it's seen as a mix between the blue and red colours regularly used for England away shirts over the years. Honestly do you really believe that. Roll on the new County orange away kit next season as a homage to the yellow and red ones of the past. If these colours make anyone think of a rainbow, that's fine. I don't see it, but interpretation is personal. What they then do with that interpretation is their business. It's not my problem though. If a rainbow that's not actually a rainbow is a trigger, that's an issue for the individual to work through.
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Post by gibbo on Mar 22, 2024 12:00:46 GMT
The purple colour is a reference to the away shirt, I believe. The away shirt is purple as it's seen as a mix between the blue and red colours regularly used for England away shirts over the years. The discourse over it all makes me want to claw my own eyes out. Specifically to the Training Kit from 1966 apparently. Is it really only the small flag on the neck that has been changed?
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 22, 2024 12:01:00 GMT
Honestly do you really believe that. Roll on the new County orange away kit next season as a homage to the yellow and red ones of the past. If these colours make anyone think of a rainbow, that's fine. I don't see it, but interpretation is personal. What they then do with that interpretation is their business. It's not my problem though. If a rainbow that's not actually a rainbow is a trigger, that's an issue for the individual to work through. Its an interpretation over facts and the best you can say is that people are looking for it or expecting it to happen. Its like the swastica argument all over again when one is used that looks nothing like the nazi one even if they stole the idea in the first place. Having a flag might make those in any organisation have something to rally around but cannot expect everyone on the outside to comply or even respect it.
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Post by 1994hatter on Mar 22, 2024 12:11:51 GMT
The purple colour is a reference to the away shirt, I believe. The away shirt is purple as it's seen as a mix between the blue and red colours regularly used for England away shirts over the years. Honestly do you really believe that. Roll on the new County orange away kit next season as a homage to the yellow and red ones of the past. The release of the retro orange Patrick shirt went down pretty well didn’t it. Not sure there would be many complaints with an orange away or third kit next year. Again, it’s only colours. I’d have to make a very conscious effort to even be remotely offended or bothered, personally.
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Post by The Real Exile on Mar 22, 2024 12:13:53 GMT
I'm not offended by it whatsoever but I'll not be rushing out to buy one either, might be my crap phone but the shirt texture looks like tree bark 80s wallpaper.
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Post by Stranded Hatter on Mar 22, 2024 12:18:13 GMT
It’s literally some colours on a shirt. I’ve seen people moaning about rainbows but it’s only dark blue, blue and purple. Never seen a rainbow like that before. “What was my grandad like?” “Yeah he was great. Wasted a lot of time in his life pointlessly moaning about colours on a shirt he was never going to buy for £120 anyway but other than that, a decent bloke” Its not an exact copy of any colours or flags but as close as they dared to do it. Those on both sides of the arguement really know its not just a newly designed cross but meant to be for something else even if the manufacturers and the ones agreeing to it say there isn,t. I’m not sure what the two sides of any argument are. Those who are frothing at the mouth and those who couldn’t give two shits I’m guessing?
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Post by timberwolf on Mar 22, 2024 12:31:31 GMT
Its not an exact copy of any colours or flags but as close as they dared to do it. Those on both sides of the arguement really know its not just a newly designed cross but meant to be for something else even if the manufacturers and the ones agreeing to it say there isn,t. I’m not sure what the two sides of any argument are. Those who are frothing at the mouth and those who couldn’t give two shits I’m guessing? Plus some of the couldn,t give a shit brigade who cannot wait to knock back the mouth frothers who brought it up in the first place. What annoys me is that it is not a copy of a flag but one that winds me up more because it isn,t to give em an excuse to put it on to avoid and silence the arguments from those against it by not admitting the possible reason behind it. Just more uneeded division again across the country.
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Post by desmond on Mar 22, 2024 12:47:54 GMT
Did Nike/FA really think it would unite everyone though … I'd like to think they thought 'Let's design a kit and not really worry about politicians hijacking it because they're devoid of anything useful to propose by way of sorting out the utter shitshow of the country the kit represents.' I accept it is more likely they thought it would help raise the profile of a stupidly expensive bit of material and weren't too fussed about any other consequences. You might think that but they’ve clearly stated it was designed to help unify. It was never going to do that.
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Post by Fez on Mar 22, 2024 12:50:35 GMT
I'm not bothered about the cross much but it seems a daft and pointless design choice that was bound to provoke a reaction. What is baffling, though, scrolling through some headlines, is the usual outrage factories complaining (to rally their troops) that it's "woke" and "virtual signalling", without explaining what's supposed to be "woke" about it, or what virtue is being signalled. As others have noted, the most objectionable part - not that I ever buy shirts myself - is the price of replicas. The nearest thing to woke I can see is that the colours of the horizontal lines are [kind of like] those on the bisexual flag, albeit in the wrong order. Generally, corporate woke stuff like this appeals to as many marginalised identities as possible, such as by using the rainbow flag with the BLM+trans chevrons. Maybe Nike decided to adopt bi erasure as their CSR cause? Just goes to show that 'woke' means f*ck all to these people. It's just a catch-all term for things they hate. Like 'communism' Precisely. Any flimsy or contrived excuse or rigger to fuel division and their "culture war".
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Post by Mozzer on Mar 22, 2024 12:51:27 GMT
I'd like to think they thought 'Let's design a kit and not really worry about politicians hijacking it because they're devoid of anything useful to propose by way of sorting out the utter shitshow of the country the kit represents.' I accept it is more likely they thought it would help raise the profile of a stupidly expensive bit of material and weren't too fussed about any other consequences. You might think that but they’ve clearly stated it was designed to help unify. It was never going to do that. Yeah, fair point. It shouldn't cause people to lose their shit either though.
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Post by Nik on Mar 22, 2024 13:23:08 GMT
The purple colour is a reference to the away shirt, I believe. The away shirt is purple as it's seen as a mix between the blue and red colours regularly used for England away shirts over the years. Honestly do you really believe that. Roll on the new County orange away kit next season as a homage to the yellow and red ones of the past. Well what else is the colour purple supposed to signify? All the people in uproar about it can't string a single viable reason together why it's the colour it's been changed to, other than calling it 'woke' which means nothing in this context.
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Post by Nik on Mar 22, 2024 13:23:48 GMT
I remember when I jokingly suggested on the old board that they be replaced by door mice, as they're actually native to the country and using lions was cultural appropriation; the frothing that went on was astounding. You're supposed to admin a board out of love for the community, Nik, not so you can carry on trolling it A little bit of A, a little bit of B (mostly B)
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